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So I've had a look at the the tender, and, yeah, it's certainly something we can do. There is a fair bit of work in it, and I guess I'm curious to see what you think in terms of cost. But in in terms of tasks, it really... Realistically, like you mentioned, I think in that message, there's there's this... There are a number of different parts that we would probably be... I guess, we'd need to be part of, I guess, and assist with in terms of task a and b and c and d and, like, further planning mechanism, providing comment on that and climate change resilience and all that kind of thing. I'm I'm curious what you need from us from... Yeah. Just to... From... Do you need us to scope out what we think for stage one, task six, or... Yeah. I'm just curious what what you need from us. Mhmm. Yes. Yes. Okay. K. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yep. Okay. I do. Yes. I've I've I've just mainly focused on the flood and drainage component, though, to be honest with you. Yes. It will be a bit of both, I'd say. Melbourne Water's updating the flood study for that for that council, but council would still need... Apparently have done their own study as well from a flood matrix as well into '20 '24. This is for Frankston City. Oh my god. Okay. Okay. I'm sorry. I didn't wanna joke because I I thought maybe it was relevant because it is still a government agency. And so I was like, oh, is is... Am I getting context that I need for... Okay. Okay. No. No. Don't... No. That... That's okay. Look, I feel much better now because I was worried that maybe I've I've bitten off more than I could chew as well. So... Yes. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah. And and, like, assist the flood constraints of those options. Yep. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I've kinda left that open, I think. I've I've kinda left that assessment open where it's just like we'll we'll discuss with Malibu what scenarios we'll we'll adapt. Because sometimes... Yeah. Look. 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It's Alex from SWM Consulting. How are you going? I'm good. Thank you.\n\nI... I've had a look at the... Is is... Sorry. Is there a good time to talk?\n\nGreat. So I've had a look at the the tender, and, yeah, it's certainly something we can do. There is a fair bit of work in it, and I guess I'm curious to see what you think in terms of cost. But in in terms of tasks, it really... Realistically, like you mentioned, I think in that message, there's there's this...\n\nThere are a number of different parts that we would probably be... I guess, we'd need to be part of, I guess, and assist with in terms of task a and b and c and d and, like, further planning mechanism, providing comment on that and climate change resilience and all that kind of thing. I'm I'm curious what you need from us from... Yeah. Just to...\n\nFrom... Do you need us to scope out what we think for stage one, task six, or... Yeah. I'm just curious what what you need from us. Mhmm.\n\nYes. Yes. Okay. K. Yes.\n\nYes. Yes. Okay. Yep. Okay.\n\nI do. Yes. I've I've I've just mainly focused on the flood and drainage component, though, to be honest with you. Yes. It will be a bit of both, I'd say.\n\nMelbourne Water's updating the flood study for that for that council, but council would still need... Apparently have done their own study as well from a flood matrix as well into '20 '24. This is for Frankston City. Oh my god. Okay.\n\nOkay. I'm sorry. I didn't wanna joke because I I thought maybe it was relevant because it is still a government agency. And so I was like, oh, is is... Am I getting context that I need for...\n\nOkay. Okay. No. No. Don't...\n\nNo. That... That's okay. Look, I feel much better now because I was worried that maybe I've I've bitten off more than I could chew as well. So...\n\nYes. That's right. That's right. That's right. Yeah.\n\nAnd and, like, assist the flood constraints of those options. Yep. Yes. Yes. Yes.\n\nYes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.\n\nYeah. Yep. Yeah. 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Hi. Good. Thanks, Alex. How are you? No. No. Now it's good. Now it's good. Mhmm. Yep. So when we looked at it and looked at the budget, which was relatively modest or something like this... It's alright. Alright. Mesh did the original master plan, and there's a list of infrastructure within there, which is council are going to cost. And they're the items which you would charge through a developer contribution mechanism. Now they have assumed they can use a six in one seven three through agreements. That's that's one option. But they've got they've got the costs. We would be doing the... That mechanism and drawing on that mechanism is what's in the infrastructure side of it. And that is what they can only charge for through a DCM. So it's only the the items which council's already costed. So when we have those when we have those conversations with council and stakeholders, we will obviously get that material and draw it out from them and see where they are. So the... And it's already in the plan. Those things are already listed. So... And identified where they are. So we would be, obviously, checking it, seeing if it's there. And then the other bits we would be thinking about, which would be the next thing, is the timing and sequencing of the development, how much land, catchments, and things. So all that's in the structure plan already, but we do the timing, the timing of development. So when it comes to the second part of it, which is the utilities and those guys, that's something not normally covered by something council can control. It's all the supply. That's all the state government stuff. So... Well, or or agencies, so water, sewage, electricity, telecommunications, sewage, carbonization. So that's I I I... It's nice to have kind of thing, but in these plans. But what it really does if we're talking about sequencing and development, and this is where we we sort of have that engineering thing, is in the exist... Getting the basic information from those guys, and here is what our normal sequencing plan would work, is putting a sensibility test on that. Will that happen? Is there a... So is is there a bottleneck in water supply which static area which all the other other utilities agencies can deliver? Except for water, therefore, it can't be developed because water's not even in the picture. But it's a major upfront investment for the water authority to get that that plug up. So that kind of gap analysis is probably merely useful here to see if it influences the sequencing. That's the... That's that's that part. And when I jumped around before, I said, what can council do? They've costed the things which are in the plan already. It's also a sensibility test on that whether they've cut me that's that's adequate, whether I done it right? And if there's gaps, that's that's a bit of a black hole. We're gonna see see what happens. We might take those... We... 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Two is getting some kind of framework together and using the two housing capacity opportunity, you know, analysis to get some kind of method forward. Three is like option... Method is options, strategic directions. We're gonna do some options to work out which is the best way to get the outcomes we need. And... Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then four is the mapping it into two of the strategy and the discussion discussion part. So, yes, when you get down to the environmental constraints, they talk about lots of things, including the including the flood matrix report and what Melbourne Water up to and how that will affect this. So I... So in the in the act... This is how I thought it would be for flooding and water drainage. So is... What's the current situation? Then that includes the information available and the difference being provided. So so then it gets to be, like, how are we gonna use that information within building building this framework. 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Hi. Good. Thanks, Alex. How are you?\n\nNo. No. Now it's good. Now it's good. Mhmm.\n\nYep. So when we looked at it and looked at the budget, which was relatively modest or something like this... It's alright. Alright. Mesh did the original master plan, and there's a list of infrastructure within there, which is council are going to cost.\n\nAnd they're the items which you would charge through a developer contribution mechanism. Now they have assumed they can use a six in one seven three through agreements. That's that's one option. But they've got they've got the costs. We would be doing the...\n\nThat mechanism and drawing on that mechanism is what's in the infrastructure side of it. And that is what they can only charge for through a DCM. So it's only the the items which council's already costed. So when we have those when we have those conversations with council and stakeholders, we will obviously get that material and draw it out from them and see where they are. 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It's Alex from SWM Consulting.\n\nChannel 1: Hi.\n\nChannel 0: How are you going?\n\nChannel 1: Good. Thanks, Alex. How are you?\n\nChannel 0: I'm good. Thank you. I... I've had a look at the... Is is...\n\nSorry. Is there a good time to talk?\n\nChannel 1: No. No. Now it's good.\n\nChannel 0: Great.\n\nChannel 1: Now it's good.\n\nChannel 0: So I've had a look at the the tender, and, yeah, it's certainly something we can do. There is a fair bit of work in it, and I guess I'm curious to see what you think in terms of cost. But in in terms of tasks, it really... Realistically, like you mentioned, I think in that message, there's there's this... There are a number of different parts that we would probably be...\n\nI guess, we'd need to be part of, I guess, and assist with in terms of\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: task a and b and c and d and, like, further planning mechanism, providing comment on that and climate change resilience and all that kind of thing. 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Happen means we might need to adopt an older flood study, which is not a great system. So we'd almost have to assume that we we get the newest flood model. So it'll start... Project starts beginning of next year probably, January Yeah. or so, February. Who knows where Melbourne Water will be up to there by then? Maybe. But that first phase is when everyone's gathering the information, is getting what we've got. And Yep. if we've got... We... I mean, you can't use something you don't have. Yeah. So it's Exactly. gonna be a base case and have some kind of... I know it's lump sum. So do we put contingency in for redoing work because of changes to flood modeling? But it'll grab a knot, and hopefully, it'll all be done. We can just delay that part until it's ready. But Melbourne Border may not release it. So it's... That's a... I mean, they will. It'll be tricky because once the new numbers come through, it's gonna be a lot of Oh, there will be. Yes. I know community where angst. you're going. Yes. Yes. Yeah. So I think what I've kind of said is, in terms of... Well, what I thought was in terms of variations, I I was not going to put anything in, but I was gonna No. say No. that It's... Melbourne It distinctly Water releasing says it. it distinctly says they can't... We can't have variations. Okay. Okay. Alright. I'll I'll I'll remove that then and then just say, oh, I guess... And then maybe I'll need to build in a little bit of fat into it just in case, which is not ideal. But, No. I mean, look, I'd I don't I'd still know what be cheaper to do than there. most people. I don't know whether it's contingency. Is that... There's a variation. I don't know. It's it's... I think Anyway... it's... I I think the the assumption is that it's basically gonna get the milk and water stuff and work from Yeah. Okay. That sounds good. I'll I'll I'll update. Yep. Easy. Alright. here. Well, when when is it due? Sorry. You said I didn't... Anything Look. I It's due on the twenty first, okay. which is 2PM on Wednesday, week two weeks. Perfect. Obviously, Yeah. Perfect. we try to Easy. get things together before... Well, before then and then have any I'll conversations be much when before we need that. to. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll be much before that. That... That's that's plenty of time.","start_word":1744,"end_word":2315,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.050759208030425586},{"text":"Fabulous. Alright. Thanks so much. Perfect. Thanks so much, Kevin. Looking Okay. forward to it.","start_word":2316,"end_word":2330,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4801667928695678},{"text":"Alright. I'll speak to you soon. Sorry Cheers. about that muddle at the front. No. No. No.","start_word":2331,"end_word":2347,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.011851251125335692},{"text":"It was good. I look... I'm glad we got there. It's all good. Oh, It's boy. all good. Help me. Okay. Cheers. Bye. Alright. Have a good one.","start_word":2348,"end_word":2375,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.6180316805839539},{"text":"Bye.","start_word":2376,"end_word":2376,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.24186772108078003}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.00421550419206813}}}}