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So I'm I'm assuming you're in a either an SDO or an LSIO? Yeah. Yeah. So, typically, what you'll do is you'll submit something to to council. Council will have to refer it to Melbourne Water. Melbourne Water will assess it against either meeting the flood level or impact off-site or hazard. If they've said nothing about a hazard, access to your property, then you're fine. That that's one of the biggest, most concerning things. The second part is about a building above a floor level. Generally, you can meet that. You just have to obviously raise the building. The one that's the hardest is impact. If, for example, what you're you're proposing extension somewhere or a replacement dwelling, whatever, and it's much bigger than what's there, then it could be impacting people to your your neighbors, essentially, and Melbourne Water won't accept that. And so you have to do a flood model. That's right. And then what what you're proposing and then the comparison and demonstrate you're not making anyone worse off. Yes. 300 is for a special building overlay. So if it's a if it's urban stormwater runoff, 300 will can be achieved. But if it's a riverine flood, then it will be 600. Where whereabouts are you? Yeah. Okay. So that's why. That that's why. No. So yeah. So if that's gonna make him or break your study, I wouldn't hire any flood modeler. Usually, people in Victoria would sorry. In Melbourne, especially, wouldn't charge any less than 10 k. If if you're sorry. Is what are you proposing is a subdivision or a replacement dwelling? So the replacement dwelling is less. If we're talking like a couple lot subdivision, I would usually say it's about 10 k, and then if we need to do mitigation or if we need to try different designs, then that's another four k on top of that. With the with the replacement dwelling, we probably get down to about seven. And then if we need to do mitigation design, then it would maybe get up to about ten, eleven. But but but, ideally, what we would do is we'd run it, like, for two scenarios, and then there's no impact, and so you wouldn't have to do mitigation design. I usually separate the quotes because if you don't need to do it, then why pay for it? I guess it's my my and I'm a small business. I I don't really I'm I got I I I work off people wanting to come back to me, so I wanna I don't try to stick as much as I can into it. But I guess for me, the real kicker is if you can't make that 600 millimeter free board, there's there's there it it would be very unlikely, highly unlikely that anyone will be able to get any lower than I mean, you might be able to drop it by a 100 mil, maybe even 50 mil, but dropping it to three by 300 is would be near on impossible. It is confusing. No. I I I sorry. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much because it is confusing for the difference between Riverine and Stormwater. And I think from Melbourne Water's perspective, they're the ones who specifically have decided with the 600. And yeah. So you if you had to read through the guidelines, you probably would have seen 300 for most of it. And, honestly, 300 is pretty reasonable. 600, I think, is a bit from my perspective, I think it's overkill, but Melbourne Water are one of the most risk averse organizations I've ever worked for. Look, I I wrote the guidelines, the practice note guidelines that they actually use to assess your development. So they I no. So I wrote them last year to make them better. So that's just saying just saying how bad they were. So, like, the the difference that I I couldn't get them changed what anything in terms of floor level, but I managed to get them to change essentially, what they used to be was you couldn't impact anyone below like, the only the increase in water level had to be less than 0.00 me zero two meters, which is just absurd. So I got them up to 10 mil. So you can increase up to 10 in someone else's property because that has negligible effect on anyone. And so that's why right now, it's it's it's a good time to to go through the flood modeling perspective, but or modeling part. But I I guess, again, if if you can't if the 600 mil freeboard is something that you can't achieve, I wouldn't be hiring any consultant to try and get it lower because they they might say they can. And they might be able to, like I said, drop it by maybe 50 to a 100 mil, but they're not dropping it by 300. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Exactly. And sometimes it's the kicker for some developments, and and that's why I like to be upfront with it because there's no point me doing detailed design and and and trying to figure out a way to not impact other properties when the four level's not gonna be acceptable from your perspective. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. It would be somewhere on their website. I would probably just type in a Google 600 millimeter Melbourne Water because it it should be somewhere on the website. It's absolutely what they have or it's what I I would always say if it is. And if you if you also potentially oh, I don't think it would be in there. But potentially, if you look at the overlays and in the LSIO, it should say a minimum free board of something. It probably should say in that overlay, a 600 millimeter freeboard as well. And, look, if you need modeling or assessment, just send me that email on the website. We'll it will come directly to me so I can have it assessed with your site as well. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. That's the way to go. That's right. Yeah. Yep. You can have a garage at flood level. Not under it. Yeah. You so you you so that's you'd be able to go below what you've got for the house, but you wouldn't be able to go below the flood level unless it's a carport. If it's a carport, then it can be below. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Open on three sides is the carport. Yep. That's how they've done it in the past. Look. They you might be able to find someone in there who can who would assess it differently, but they typically that's about what they would want. Yeah. Yeah. I I that's what I assumed the first time I did it. But yeah. No. They they definitely it's great for for them. Yep. No. No worries at all, Eugene. Look. Yeah. Yeah. Pleasure. And, yeah, reach out if you need anything. Yes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I I would I always recommend someone to to do a quick desktop assessment. So we do desktop assessments. And the thing is, if in the end with the desktop assessment, they purchase the property and they need flood modeling, that desktop assessment gets fed into the flood modeling assessment. So, you know, in in the flood modeling assessment, we have data review and reporting that can all kind of come together after as well. So it kinda works together a bit more. So instead it's like a like a two k report that I'll outline all the guidelines, all the things that you'd be worried about, if there's a flood level, if there's all that kind of stuff, and then how you could get around it. And then in and and, yeah, just identify any risks, and then I'd be able to use that report for the flood modeling because I would have already purchased some data from so I would have already purchased LIDAR for the site. I would have already purchased oh, sorry. Downloaded all the all the modeling data, basically, that's available. And so that would go straight into a a report. No worries. It's it realistically, it's it's for for the most part, if you if you go in and buy something out in a farming zone, it's always good to have a check because well, it it not so much a check of if you if you to purchase the site. It's more if you decide to put in, like, I don't know, any sort of channels or or dams or whatever. I can tell you where to put a dam, how big the dam could be. I can also tell you how how you need to probably manage the water so it doesn't impact anyone off-site. So that type of thing. I've done VCAT cases as well. And then typically, it's sub sorry. Subdivisions as well. If you've got a big subdivision and you don't know where water's going and you need to and you need to demonstrate it from a flood perspective, I've I've done a bit of water quality stormwater management plans. They're not my bread and butter, but I have a I'm a small business, so I've got other small businesses who do really good with who who are specialists in that, and I use those. So I I would typically run the project, and they would do the modeling for me. But, yeah, a lot of it's residential flooding. Yes. I've done coastal stuff. Yeah. So there's there's the coastal checks, coastal fee feasibility checks as well, which basically compare the potential sea level rises against your property level. And then you can say, okay. Based on this, you're probably gonna build you need to build about that or you're gonna run out of access, so you won't be able to build there or whatever. So, yes, certainly can do coastal. Again, I've done a bit of coastal, but with the coastal, I I would typically confirm most of my stuff with the coastal specialist as well. So and I've got coastal specialists. So, yeah, absolutely. No. Those those are part of it. No. No worries at all. Yeah. Well yeah. Look. Hopefully, you don't have to engage me. Let's be honest. If you if you get around flooding, it's always I always recommend getting around flooding if you can. But if you need me, you know, you've got my number. Give me a call anytime. Awesome. Simmons, s I, m m, o n s. That's right. Yeah. Thanks. You too. 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Sorry. This is Alex. I missed your phone call. Yes.\n\nYes. Yes. Classic. Yep. Hydraulic engineer.\n\nYep. Yes. It is. Yep. Oh, no.\n\nNo. No. Yeah. So I'm I'm assuming you're in a either an SDO or an LSIO? Yeah.\n\nYeah. So, typically, what you'll do is you'll submit something to to council. Council will have to refer it to Melbourne Water. Melbourne Water will assess it against either meeting the flood level or impact off-site or hazard. If they've said nothing about a hazard, access to your property, then you're fine.\n\nThat that's one of the biggest, most concerning things. The second part is about a building above a floor level. Generally, you can meet that. You just have to obviously raise the building. The one that's the hardest is impact.\n\nIf, for example, what you're you're proposing extension somewhere or a replacement dwelling, whatever, and it's much bigger than what's there, then it could be impacting people to your your neighbors, essentially, and Melbourne Water won't accept that. And so you have to do a flood model. That's right. And then what what you're proposing and then the comparison and demonstrate you're not making anyone worse off. Yes.\n\n300 is for a special building overlay. So if it's a if it's urban stormwater runoff, 300 will can be achieved. But if it's a riverine flood, then it will be 600. Where whereabouts are you? Yeah.\n\nOkay. So that's why. That that's why. No. So yeah.\n\nSo if that's gonna make him or break your study, I wouldn't hire any flood modeler. Usually, people in Victoria would sorry. In Melbourne, especially, wouldn't charge any less than 10 k. If if you're sorry. Is what are you proposing is a subdivision or a replacement dwelling?\n\nSo the replacement dwelling is less. If we're talking like a couple lot subdivision, I would usually say it's about 10 k, and then if we need to do mitigation or if we need to try different designs, then that's another four k on top of that. With the with the replacement dwelling, we probably get down to about seven. And then if we need to do mitigation design, then it would maybe get up to about ten, eleven. But but but, ideally, what we would do is we'd run it, like, for two scenarios, and then there's no impact, and so you wouldn't have to do mitigation design.\n\nI usually separate the quotes because if you don't need to do it, then why pay for it? I guess it's my my and I'm a small business. I I don't really I'm I got I I I work off people wanting to come back to me, so I wanna I don't try to stick as much as I can into it. But I guess for me, the real kicker is if you can't make that 600 millimeter free board, there's there's there it it would be very unlikely, highly unlikely that anyone will be able to get any lower than I mean, you might be able to drop it by a 100 mil, maybe even 50 mil, but dropping it to three by 300 is would be near on impossible. It is confusing.\n\nNo. I I I sorry. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much because it is confusing for the difference between Riverine and Stormwater. And I think from Melbourne Water's perspective, they're the ones who specifically have decided with the 600. And yeah.\n\nSo you if you had to read through the guidelines, you probably would have seen 300 for most of it. And, honestly, 300 is pretty reasonable. 600, I think, is a bit from my perspective, I think it's overkill, but Melbourne Water are one of the most risk averse organizations I've ever worked for. Look, I I wrote the guidelines, the practice note guidelines that they actually use to assess your development. So they I no.\n\nSo I wrote them last year to make them better. So that's just saying just saying how bad they were. So, like, the the difference that I I couldn't get them changed what anything in terms of floor level, but I managed to get them to change essentially, what they used to be was you couldn't impact anyone below like, the only the increase in water level had to be less than 0.00 me zero two meters, which is just absurd. So I got them up to 10 mil. So you can increase up to 10 in someone else's property because that has negligible effect on anyone.\n\nAnd so that's why right now, it's it's it's a good time to to go through the flood modeling perspective, but or modeling part. But I I guess, again, if if you can't if the 600 mil freeboard is something that you can't achieve, I wouldn't be hiring any consultant to try and get it lower because they they might say they can. And they might be able to, like I said, drop it by maybe 50 to a 100 mil, but they're not dropping it by 300. Yeah. Yes.\n\nYeah. Exactly. And sometimes it's the kicker for some developments, and and that's why I like to be upfront with it because there's no point me doing detailed design and and and trying to figure out a way to not impact other properties when the four level's not gonna be acceptable from your perspective. Yep. Yep.\n\nYeah. Yeah. It would be somewhere on their website. I would probably just type in a Google 600 millimeter Melbourne Water because it it should be somewhere on the website. It's absolutely what they have or it's what I I would always say if it is.\n\nAnd if you if you also potentially oh, I don't think it would be in there. But potentially, if you look at the overlays and in the LSIO, it should say a minimum free board of something. It probably should say in that overlay, a 600 millimeter freeboard as well. And, look, if you need modeling or assessment, just send me that email on the website. We'll it will come directly to me so I can have it assessed with your site as well.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. That's the way to go.\n\nThat's right. Yeah. Yep. You can have a garage at flood level. Not under it.\n\nYeah. You so you you so that's you'd be able to go below what you've got for the house, but you wouldn't be able to go below the flood level unless it's a carport. If it's a carport, then it can be below. Yeah. That's right.\n\nYeah. Open on three sides is the carport. Yep. That's how they've done it in the past. Look.\n\nThey you might be able to find someone in there who can who would assess it differently, but they typically that's about what they would want. Yeah. Yeah. I I that's what I assumed the first time I did it. But yeah.\n\nNo. They they definitely it's great for for them. Yep. No. No worries at all, Eugene.\n\nLook. Yeah. Yeah. Pleasure. And, yeah, reach out if you need anything.\n\nYes. Yes. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nNo. I I I would I always recommend someone to to do a quick desktop assessment. So we do desktop assessments. And the thing is, if in the end with the desktop assessment, they purchase the property and they need flood modeling, that desktop assessment gets fed into the flood modeling assessment. So, you know, in in the flood modeling assessment, we have data review and reporting that can all kind of come together after as well.\n\nSo it kinda works together a bit more. So instead it's like a like a two k report that I'll outline all the guidelines, all the things that you'd be worried about, if there's a flood level, if there's all that kind of stuff, and then how you could get around it. And then in and and, yeah, just identify any risks, and then I'd be able to use that report for the flood modeling because I would have already purchased some data from so I would have already purchased LIDAR for the site. I would have already purchased oh, sorry. Downloaded all the all the modeling data, basically, that's available.\n\nAnd so that would go straight into a a report. No worries. It's it realistically, it's it's for for the most part, if you if you go in and buy something out in a farming zone, it's always good to have a check because well, it it not so much a check of if you if you to purchase the site. It's more if you decide to put in, like, I don't know, any sort of channels or or dams or whatever. I can tell you where to put a dam, how big the dam could be.\n\nI can also tell you how how you need to probably manage the water so it doesn't impact anyone off-site. So that type of thing. I've done VCAT cases as well. And then typically, it's sub sorry. Subdivisions as well.\n\nIf you've got a big subdivision and you don't know where water's going and you need to and you need to demonstrate it from a flood perspective, I've I've done a bit of water quality stormwater management plans. They're not my bread and butter, but I have a I'm a small business, so I've got other small businesses who do really good with who who are specialists in that, and I use those. So I I would typically run the project, and they would do the modeling for me. But, yeah, a lot of it's residential flooding. Yes.\n\nI've done coastal stuff. Yeah. So there's there's the coastal checks, coastal fee feasibility checks as well, which basically compare the potential sea level rises against your property level. And then you can say, okay. Based on this, you're probably gonna build you need to build about that or you're gonna run out of access, so you won't be able to build there or whatever.\n\nSo, yes, certainly can do coastal. Again, I've done a bit of coastal, but with the coastal, I I would typically confirm most of my stuff with the coastal specialist as well. So and I've got coastal specialists. So, yeah, absolutely. No.\n\nThose those are part of it. No. No worries at all. Yeah. Well yeah.\n\nLook. Hopefully, you don't have to engage me. Let's be honest. If you if you get around flooding, it's always I always recommend getting around flooding if you can. But if you need me, you know, you've got my number.\n\nGive me a call anytime. Awesome. Simmons, s I, m m, o n s. That's right. Yeah.\n\nThanks. You too. 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Yes, Alex. My name is Eugene. I've got your number from online. I've I've recently tried to submit plans to Yara Council, which was fine, but then but then it went to Melbourne Water and pretty much they tore it to shreds. I guess I I I they did in their report, they did outline a lot of things, but they also ended up suggesting at the end to consult a a high correct. I take it this is what you do. Now I you you go first. I I actually don't know what to ask next. Yeah. Inundation zone. Correct. Yep. Yep. So is the is the idea that, yeah, the modeling is supposed to mimic what was previously there or okay. Because the other thing that they they brought up, and I and I I thought that was gonna be the case. The other thing that they brought up, which I'm curious if you have greater insight for, they they weren't the minimum board to be 600 mils mill millimeters. I thought the impression was it was supposed to be 300, which is what I read off the website initially. Right. Woah. Wow. I'm back under the Yara. That's why. Right. I see. Okay. So the I I take it that it's unlikely in your opinion that that 600 can be 300. Okay. And if you don't mind me asking, how much does a flood model cost? Okay. Replacement dwelling. Right. Right. Yep. I see. Okay. And I take it that's more that was that's my own issue because I read 300, but I really should have dived a bit deeper and realized that it was 300 from four yeah. Right. Yep. Can you ray rod them, please? Yep. Yep. Yep. I see. It's just I guess, not thinking about the flood level. If I had to increase another 300, it doesn't make the inside look as luxurious as I would like it to look because of the because of the heights. But Can I ask you, just so I can refer it to my architect and my builder, where where can I refine that that 600 millimeter ruling? Just because I we're we're prior to this phone call, we'll we're under the impression that Melbourne Water was just making something up to just fob me off. But is that is that published anywhere? Yep. Yep. Okay. Cool. I'll I'll go dive a bit deeper and because I think your first yep. I'll definitely I'll probably gonna tackle your first hurdle that you've put in front of me because it's an easier one to say yes or no to rather than rather than waste everybody's time because, yeah, I think things get a bit short otherwise. And can I can I just ask can I just ask one other question because you've you've obviously had a lot of experience in this? Am I likely to be able assuming the modeling says it doesn't alter much from what I have now, and this is, obviously, the big assumption, but, like, let's just pretend the answer is it's equal to what I've got currently. Am I likely to be able to say, although that I have a garage in the in an underneath the flood level? Not under it. Yep. I see. I do okay. So it's it's more in the wording, I'm assuming that you're and also the the actual structure. It has to be open, obviously. Oh, three sides. 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Sorry. This is Alex. I missed your phone call.\n\nChannel 1: Yes, Alex. My name is Eugene. I've got your number from online. I've I've recently tried to submit plans to Yara Council, which was fine, but\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: then but then it went to Melbourne Water and pretty much they tore it to shreds.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Yes. Classic.\n\nChannel 1: I guess I I I they did in their report, they did outline a lot of things, but they also ended up suggesting at the end to\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: consult a\n\nChannel 0: Hydraulic\n\nChannel 1: a\n\nChannel 0: engineer.\n\nChannel 1: high correct. I take it this is what you do.\n\nChannel 0: Yep. Yes. It is.\n\nChannel 1: Now I\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: you you go first. I I actually don't\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: know\n\nChannel 0: no. No.\n\nChannel 1: what to\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: ask next.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So I'm I'm assuming you're in a either an SDO or an LSIO?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Inundation zone. Correct.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: So, typically, what you'll do is you'll submit something to to council. Council will have to refer it to Melbourne Water. Melbourne Water will assess it against either meeting the flood level or impact off-site or hazard. If they've said nothing about a hazard, access to your property, then you're fine. That that's one of the biggest, most concerning things.\n\nThe second part is about a building above a floor level. Generally, you can meet that. You just have to obviously raise the building. The one that's the hardest is impact. If, for example, what you're you're proposing extension somewhere or a replacement dwelling, whatever, and it's much bigger than what's there, then it could be impacting people to your your neighbors, essentially, and Melbourne Water won't accept that.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. So\n\nChannel 0: And so\n\nChannel 1: is the\n\nChannel 0: you have\n\nChannel 1: is\n\nChannel 0: to do\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: a flood\n\nChannel 1: idea\n\nChannel 0: model.\n\nChannel 1: that, yeah, the modeling is supposed to mimic what was previously there\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: or\n\nChannel 0: right. And then\n\nChannel 1: okay.\n\nChannel 0: what what you're proposing and then the comparison and demonstrate you're not making anyone worse off.\n\nChannel 1: Because the other thing that they they brought up, and I and I I thought that was gonna be the case. The other thing that they brought up, which I'm curious if you have greater insight for, they they weren't the minimum board to be 600 mils mill millimeters.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: I thought the impression was it was supposed to be 300, which is what I read off the website initially.\n\nChannel 0: 300 is for a special building overlay. So if it's\n\nChannel 1: Right.\n\nChannel 0: a if it's urban stormwater runoff, 300 will can be achieved. But if it's a riverine flood, then it will be 600. Where\n\nChannel 1: Woah.\n\nChannel 0: whereabouts\n\nChannel 1: Wow.\n\nChannel 0: are you?\n\nChannel 1: I'm back under the Yara. That's why.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay. So that's why. That that's why.\n\nChannel 1: Right. I see. Okay. So the I I take it that it's unlikely in your opinion that that 600 can be 300.\n\nChannel 0: No. So\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. So if that's gonna make him or break your study, I wouldn't hire any flood modeler.\n\nChannel 1: And if you don't mind me asking, how much does a flood model cost?\n\nChannel 0: Usually, people in Victoria would sorry. In Melbourne, especially, wouldn't charge any less than 10 k.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: If if you're sorry. Is what are you proposing is a subdivision or a replacement dwelling?\n\nChannel 1: Replacement dwelling.\n\nChannel 0: So the replacement dwelling is less. If we're talking like a couple lot subdivision, I would usually say it's about 10 k, and then if we need to do mitigation or if we need to try different designs, then that's another four k on top of that. With the\n\nChannel 1: Right.\n\nChannel 0: with the replacement dwelling, we probably get down to about seven. And then if we need to do mitigation design, then it would maybe get up to about ten, eleven. But\n\nChannel 1: Right.\n\nChannel 0: but but, ideally, what we would do is we'd run it, like, for two scenarios, and then there's no impact, and so you wouldn't have to do mitigation design. I usually separate the quotes because if you don't need to do it, then why pay for it? I guess it's my my and I'm a small business. I I don't really I'm I got I I I work off people wanting to come back to me, so I wanna I don't try to stick as much as I can into it. But\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I guess for me, the real kicker is if you can't make that 600 millimeter free board, there's there's there it it would be very unlikely, highly unlikely that anyone will be able to get any lower than I mean, you might be able to drop it by a 100 mil, maybe even 50 mil, but dropping it to three by 300 is would be near on impossible.\n\nChannel 1: I see. Okay. And I take it that's more that was that's my own issue because I read 300, but I really should have dived a bit deeper and realized that it was 300 from\n\nChannel 0: It is confusing.\n\nChannel 1: four yeah.\n\nChannel 0: No. I I I sorry. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much because it is confusing for the difference between Riverine and Stormwater. And I think from Melbourne Water's perspective, they're the ones who specifically have decided with the 600. And\n\nChannel 1: Right.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. So you if you had to read through the guidelines, you probably would have seen 300 for most of it. And, honestly, 300 is pretty reasonable. 600,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I think, is a bit from my perspective, I think it's overkill, but Melbourne Water are one of the most risk averse organizations I've ever worked for. Look, I I wrote the guidelines, the practice note guidelines that they actually use to assess your development. So\n\nChannel 1: Can you ray rod them, please?\n\nChannel 0: they I no. So I wrote them last year to make them better. So that's just saying just saying how bad they were.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: So, like, the the difference that I I couldn't get them changed what anything in terms of floor level, but I managed to get them to change essentially, what they used to be was you couldn't impact anyone below like, the only the increase in water level had to be less than 0.00 me zero two meters, which is just absurd. So I got them up to 10 mil. So you can increase up to 10 in someone else's property because that has negligible effect on anyone.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: And so that's why right now, it's it's it's a good time to to go through the flood modeling perspective, but or modeling part. But I I guess, again, if if you can't if the 600 mil freeboard is something that you can't achieve, I wouldn't be hiring any consultant to try and get it lower because they they might say they can. And they might\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: be able to, like I said, drop it by maybe 50 to a 100 mil, but they're not dropping it by 300.\n\nChannel 1: I see. It's just I guess, not thinking about the flood level. If I had to increase another 300, it doesn't make the inside look as luxurious as I would like it to look because\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: of the because of the heights.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: But\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Exactly. And sometimes it's the kicker for some developments, and and that's why I like to be upfront with it because there's no point me doing detailed design and and and trying to figure out a way to not impact other properties when the four level's not gonna be acceptable from your perspective.\n\nChannel 1: Can I ask you, just so I can refer it to my architect and my builder,\n\nChannel 0: Yep. Yep.\n\nChannel 1: where where can I refine that that 600 millimeter ruling? Just because I we're we're prior to this phone call, we'll we're under the impression that Melbourne Water was just making something up to just fob me off. But\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: is that is that published anywhere?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. It would be somewhere on their website. I would probably just type in a Google 600 millimeter Melbourne Water\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: because it it should be somewhere on the website. It's absolutely what they have or it's what I I would always say if it is. And if you if you also potentially oh, I don't think it would be in there. But potentially, if you look at the overlays and\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: in the LSIO, it should say a minimum free board of something. It probably should say in that overlay, a 600 millimeter freeboard as well.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Cool. I'll I'll go dive a bit deeper and because\n\nChannel 0: And,\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: look,\n\nChannel 1: think\n\nChannel 0: if\n\nChannel 1: your\n\nChannel 0: you\n\nChannel 1: first\n\nChannel 0: need modeling or assessment, just send me that email on the website. We'll it will come directly to me so I can have it assessed with your site as well.\n\nChannel 1: yep. I'll definitely I'll probably gonna tackle your first hurdle\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: that you've put in front of me because it's an easier\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: one\n\nChannel 0: Good.\n\nChannel 1: to say yes or no to\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. That's\n\nChannel 1: rather\n\nChannel 0: the\n\nChannel 1: than\n\nChannel 0: way to go.\n\nChannel 1: rather than waste everybody's time because, yeah, I think things get a bit short otherwise. And can\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: I can\n\nChannel 0: right.\n\nChannel 1: I just ask can I just ask one other question because you've you've obviously had a lot of experience in this? Am I likely to be able assuming the modeling says it doesn't alter much from what I have now, and this is, obviously, the big assumption, but, like, let's just pretend the answer is it's equal to what I've got\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: currently.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: Am I likely to be able to say, although that I have a garage in the in an underneath the flood level?\n\nChannel 0: You can have a garage at flood level.\n\nChannel 1: Not under it.\n\nChannel 0: Not under it. Yeah. You so you you so that's you'd be able to go below what you've got for the house, but\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: you wouldn't be able to go below the flood level\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: unless it's a carport. If it's a\n\nChannel 1: see.\n\nChannel 0: carport, then it can be below.\n\nChannel 1: I do okay. So it's it's more in the wording, I'm assuming that you're and also\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the the actual structure. It has to be open, obviously.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. Yeah. Open on three sides is the carport.\n\nChannel 1: Oh, three sides. Okay.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: That's that's how they that's how they picture it.\n\nChannel 0: That's how they've done it in the past. Look. They you might be able to find someone in there who can who would assess it differently, but they typically that's about what they would want.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Cool. That that, you know, I guess you've given a bit of insight because I had, like, a carport and a inverted comm as a workshop, which was just like a basement empty, like a, you know, and they were not very happy with it. But in terms of what they wrote in the letter but I think you've given me a bit more insight because I the carport is really only for me. It was one-sided, not\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: well, one and a half sided to be exact. But\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I I that's what I assumed the first time I did it. But yeah. No. They they definitely it's great for for them.\n\nChannel 1: okay. Understood.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: Alex, I well, I think I'm likely to call you again and maybe engage. But I'll answer my first question, and I appreciate the callback, Alex. You\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: are\n\nChannel 0: No\n\nChannel 1: you've\n\nChannel 0: worries\n\nChannel 1: been\n\nChannel 0: at all, Eugene. Look. Yeah. Yeah. Pleasure.\n\nAnd, yeah, reach out if you need anything.\n\nChannel 1: so can I I guess I'll ask one other question because I know it's my little bit of a regret from after I've put this place and gone through the planning process? Would I be able to engage you before I started planning? Because\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Melbourne Water don't do pre engagement.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Like\n\nChannel 0: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I I would I always recommend someone to to do a quick desktop assessment.\n\nSo we do desktop assessments. And the thing is, if in the end with the desktop assessment, they purchase the property and they need flood modeling, that\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: desktop assessment gets fed into the flood modeling assessment.\n\nChannel 1: Right. I\n\nChannel 0: So,\n\nChannel 1: should have done\n\nChannel 0: you know,\n\nChannel 1: that before.\n\nChannel 0: in in the flood modeling assessment, we have data review and reporting that can all kind of come together after as well. So it kinda works together a bit more. So instead it's like a like a two k report that I'll outline all the guidelines, all the things that you'd be worried about, if there's a flood level, if there's all that kind of stuff,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: and then how you could get around it. And then\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: in and and, yeah, just identify any risks, and then I'd be able to use that report for the flood modeling because I would have already purchased some data from so I would have already purchased LIDAR for the site. I would have already purchased oh, sorry. Downloaded all the all the modeling data, basically, that's available. And so that would go straight into a a report.\n\nChannel 1: Gotcha. Okay. Alex, I appreciate your time. I'll guess\n\nChannel 0: No\n\nChannel 1: I'll\n\nChannel 0: worries.\n\nChannel 1: ask one other question not related to my property. What what other reasons would I need to engage you for just so I know that I've got someone highly intelligent that I can engage before?\n\nChannel 0: It's it realistically, it's it's for for the most part, if you if you go in and buy something out in a farming zone, it's\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: always good to have a check because well, it it not so much a check of if you if you to purchase the site. It's more if you decide to put in, like, I don't know, any sort of channels or or dams or whatever. I can tell you where to put a dam, how big the dam could be. I can\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: also tell you how how you need to probably manage the water so it doesn't impact anyone off-site. So\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: that type of thing. I've done VCAT cases as well. And then typically, it's sub sorry. Subdivisions as well. If you've got a big subdivision and you don't know where water's going and you need to and you need to demonstrate it from a flood perspective,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I've I've done a bit of water quality stormwater management plans. They're not my bread and butter, but I have a I'm a small business, so I've got other small businesses who do really good with who who are specialists in that, and I use those. So I I\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: would typically run the project, and they would do the modeling for me.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: But, yeah, a lot of it's residential flooding.\n\nChannel 1: I see. Would I ever need you say I mean, obviously, I've read the big plan maps, and I bought my place\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: knowing it was a land of inundation. Admittedly, knowing what I know now, I potentially wouldn't have purchased it. Great site, but it is what it is. Would I would I ever need to engage you for, like, a coastal property that's, like, front of the beach?\n\nChannel 0: I've done coastal stuff. Yeah. So there's there's the coastal checks, coastal fee feasibility checks as well, which basically compare the potential sea level rises against your property level. And then you can say, okay. Based on this, you're probably gonna build you need to build about that or you're gonna run out of access, so you won't be\n\nChannel 1: Right.\n\nChannel 0: able\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: to build there or whatever. So, yes, certainly\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: can do coastal. Again,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I've done a bit of coastal, but with the coastal, I I would typically confirm most of my stuff with the coastal specialist as well. So and I've got coastal specialists. So,\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Gotcha.\n\nChannel 0: yeah, absolutely. No. Those those are part of it.\n\nChannel 1: All good. Look, Alex, you are a champion. I really appreciate the conversation and the time you've given up.\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: No worries at all.\n\nChannel 1: I look forward to hopefully engaging in the future. Hopefully, not with this one,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Well\n\nChannel 1: but\n\nChannel 0: yeah. Look. Hopefully,\n\nChannel 1: but\n\nChannel 0: you don't have\n\nChannel 1: may\n\nChannel 0: to engage me. Let's be honest. If you if you get\n\nChannel 1: maybe\n\nChannel 0: around flooding, it's always\n\nChannel 1: maybe\n\nChannel 0: I always recommend\n\nChannel 1: with\n\nChannel 0: getting around flooding if\n\nChannel 1: this\n\nChannel 0: you can. But if\n\nChannel 1: one.\n\nChannel 0: you need me, you\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: know, you've got my number.\n\nChannel 1: Done.\n\nChannel 0: Give me a call anytime.\n\nChannel 1: Thank you so much, Alex. Alex, just\n\nChannel 0: Awesome.\n\nChannel 1: so I can Alex, just so I can save it on my phone, what's the surname, Alex?\n\nChannel 0: Simmons, s I, m m, o n s.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. And s s w m, wasn't it?\n\nChannel 0: That's right. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Done. Thanks, Alex. Cheers\n\nChannel 0: Thanks.\n\nChannel 1: out.\n\nChannel 0: You too.\n\nChannel 1: Bye.\n\nChannel 0: Bye.","paragraphs":[{"sentences":[{"text":"Hello?","start":0.39999998,"end":0.9,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.005735844373703003}],"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.005735844373703003,"channel":1,"num_words":1,"start":0.39999998,"end":0.9},{"sentences":[{"text":"Hello.","start":1.92,"end":2.32,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0011045215651392937},{"text":"Sorry.","start":2.32,"end":2.56,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.039693959057331085},{"text":"This is Alex.","start":2.56,"end":3.1999998,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.00989487829307715},{"text":"I missed your phone call.","start":3.4399998,"end":4.66,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.09355728328227997}],"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.05360604887828231,"channel":0,"num_words":10,"start":1.92,"end":4.66},{"sentences":[{"text":"Yes, 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They suggest using a Hydraulic engineer and a roofing engineer for risk-impacted properties. A water approval rule is also mentioned. The speaker recommends a replacement model for a overlay and suggests a Google 600 millimeter rule for a overlay. A potential solution involving a garage and a inverted carport is discussed, and a potential mistake made in a previous letter is addressed. The speaker emphasizes the importance of a desktop assessment and a brief discussion with someone else."},"intents":{"segments":[{"text":"I've I've recently tried to submit plans to Yara Council, which was fine, but Yes.","start_word":23,"end_word":37,"intents":[{"intent":"Submit plans to yara council","confidence_score":0.25266588}]},{"text":"Melbourne Water will assess it against either meeting the flood level or impact off-site or hazard. If they've said nothing about a hazard, access to your property, then you're fine.","start_word":166,"end_word":195,"intents":[{"intent":"Evaluate impact of hazard","confidence_score":0.0023157226},{"intent":"Evaluate feasibility of hazard reduction","confidence_score":0.00015541103}]},{"text":"The second part is about a building above a floor level. Generally, you can meet that. You just have to obviously raise the building. The one that's the hardest is impact. If, for example, what you're you're proposing extension somewhere or a replacement dwelling, whatever, and it's much bigger than what's there, then it could be impacting people to your your neighbors, essentially, and Melbourne Water won't accept that.","start_word":205,"end_word":273,"intents":[{"intent":"Discuss potential extension of dwelling","confidence_score":4.090431e-7}]},{"text":"So And so is the you have to is do a the flood idea model. that, yeah, the modeling is supposed to mimic what was previously there That's or right.","start_word":275,"end_word":304,"intents":[{"intent":"Demonstrate quality of flood idea model","confidence_score":0.000027169934}]},{"text":"The other thing that they brought up, which I'm curious if you have greater insight for, they they weren't the minimum board to be 600 mils mill millimeters.","start_word":345,"end_word":372,"intents":[{"intent":"Understand requirements","confidence_score":0.0020132696}]},{"text":"The other thing that they brought up, which I'm curious if you have greater insight for, they they weren't the minimum board to be 600 mils mill millimeters. 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We'll it will come directly to me so I can have it assessed with your site as well.","start_word":1407,"end_word":1453,"intents":[{"intent":"Assess potential options","confidence_score":0.0012193393}]},{"text":"I I I would I always recommend someone to to do a quick desktop assessment. So we do desktop assessments. And the thing is, if in the end with the desktop assessment, they purchase the property and they need flood modeling, that Yep. desktop assessment gets fed into the flood modeling assessment. Right.","start_word":1968,"end_word":2020,"intents":[{"intent":"Use desktop assessment in flood modeling","confidence_score":0.0000011515067}]},{"text":"I So, should have done you know, that before. in in the flood modeling assessment, we have data review and reporting that can all kind of come together after as well.","start_word":2022,"end_word":2052,"intents":[{"intent":"Evaluate flood modeling","confidence_score":0.19668423}]},{"text":"If you've got a big subdivision and you don't know where water's going and you need to and you need to demonstrate it from a flood perspective, Yep.","start_word":2351,"end_word":2378,"intents":[{"intent":"Demonstrate flood plan","confidence_score":0.08051738}]},{"text":"Would I would I ever need to engage you for, like, a coastal property that's, like, front of the beach? 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I guess I I I they did in their report, they did outline a lot of things, but they also ended up suggesting at the end to Yep. consult a Hydraulic a engineer. high correct. I take it this is what you do. Yep. Yes. It is. Now I Yep. you you go first. I I actually don't Oh, know no. No. what to No. ask next. Yeah. So I'm I'm assuming you're in a either an SDO or an LSIO? Yeah. Inundation zone. Correct. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. So, typically, what you'll do is you'll submit something to to council. Council will have to refer it to Melbourne Water. Melbourne Water will assess it against either meeting the flood level or impact off-site or hazard. If they've said nothing about a hazard, access to your property, then you're fine. That that's one of the biggest, most concerning things. The second part is about a building above a floor level. Generally, you can meet that. You just have to obviously raise the building. 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The other thing that they brought up, which I'm curious if you have greater insight for, they they weren't the minimum board to be 600 mils mill millimeters. Yes. I thought the impression was it was supposed to be 300, which is what I read off the website initially. 300 is for a special building overlay. So if it's Right. a if it's urban stormwater runoff, 300 will can be achieved. But if it's a riverine flood, then it will be 600. Where Woah. whereabouts Wow. are you? I'm back under the Yara. That's why. Yeah. Okay. So that's why. That that's why. Right. I see. Okay. So the I I take it that it's unlikely in your opinion that that 600 can be 300.","start_word":274,"end_word":469,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.006272273461277388},{"text":"No.","start_word":470,"end_word":470,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4140137434005738},{"text":"So Okay. yeah.","start_word":471,"end_word":473,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.24664974212646484},{"text":"So if that's gonna make him or break your study, I wouldn't hire any flood modeler.","start_word":474,"end_word":489,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4537104368209839},{"text":"And if you don't mind me asking, how much does a flood model cost? Usually, people in Victoria would sorry. In Melbourne, especially, wouldn't charge any less than 10 k. Okay. If if you're sorry. Is what are you proposing is a subdivision or a replacement dwelling? Replacement dwelling. So the replacement dwelling is less. If we're talking like a couple lot subdivision, I would usually say it's about 10 k, and then if we need to do mitigation or if we need to try different designs, then that's another four k on top of that. With the Right. with the replacement dwelling, we probably get down to about seven. And then if we need to do mitigation design, then it would maybe get up to about ten, eleven. But Right. but but, ideally, what we would do is we'd run it, like, for two scenarios, and then there's no impact, and so you wouldn't have to do mitigation design. I usually separate the quotes because if you don't need to do it, then why pay for it? I guess it's my my and I'm a small business. I I don't really I'm I got I I I work off people wanting to come back to me, so I wanna I don't try to stick as much as I can into it. But Yep. I guess for me, the real kicker is if you can't make that 600 millimeter free board, there's there's there it it would be very unlikely, highly unlikely that anyone will be able to get any lower than I mean, you might be able to drop it by a 100 mil, maybe even 50 mil, but dropping it to three by 300 is would be near on impossible. I see. Okay. And I take it that's more that was that's my own issue because I read 300, but I really should have dived a bit deeper and realized that it was 300 from It is confusing. four yeah. No. I I I sorry. I wouldn't beat yourself up too much because it is confusing for the difference between Riverine and Stormwater. And I think from Melbourne Water's perspective, they're the ones who specifically have decided with the 600. And Right. yeah. 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And they might Yep. be able to, like I said, drop it by maybe 50 to a 100 mil, but they're not dropping it by 300. I see. It's just I guess, not thinking about the flood level. If I had to increase another 300, it doesn't make the inside look as luxurious as I would like it to look because Yeah. of the because of the heights. Yes. But Yeah. Exactly. And sometimes it's the kicker for some developments, and and that's why I like to be upfront with it because there's no point me doing detailed design and and and trying to figure out a way to not impact other properties when the four level's not gonna be acceptable from your perspective. Can I ask you, just so I can refer it to my architect and my builder, Yep. Yep. where where can I refine that that 600 millimeter ruling? Just because I we're we're prior to this phone call, we'll we're under the impression that Melbourne Water was just making something up to just fob me off. But Yeah. is that is that published anywhere? Yeah. It would be somewhere on their website. I would probably just type in a Google 600 millimeter Melbourne Water Yep. because it it should be somewhere on the website.","start_word":968,"end_word":1337,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.10808097250960969},{"text":"It's absolutely what they have or it's what I I would always say if it is.","start_word":1338,"end_word":1353,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.34746482968330383},{"text":"And if you if you also potentially oh, I don't think it would be in there. But potentially, if you look at the overlays and Yep. in the LSIO, it should say a minimum free board of something. It probably should say in that overlay, a 600 millimeter freeboard as well. Okay.","start_word":1354,"end_word":1405,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.08799044042825699},{"text":"Cool.","start_word":1406,"end_word":1406,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4263814687728882},{"text":"I'll I'll go dive a bit deeper and because And, I look, think if your you first need modeling or assessment, just send me that email on the website. We'll it will come directly to me so I can have it assessed with your site as well. yep. I'll definitely I'll probably gonna tackle your first hurdle Yeah. that you've put in front of me because it's an easier Yeah. one Good. to say yes or no to Yeah. That's rather the than way to go. rather than waste everybody's time because, yeah, I think things get a bit short otherwise. And can That's I can right. I just ask can I just ask one other question because you've you've obviously had a lot of experience in this? Am I likely to be able assuming the modeling says it doesn't alter much from what I have now, and this is, obviously, the big assumption, but, like, let's just pretend the answer is it's equal to what I've got Yeah. currently. Yep. Am I likely to be able to say, although that I have a garage in the in an underneath the flood level? You can have a garage at flood level. Not under it. Not under it. Yeah. You so you you so that's you'd be able to go below what you've got for the house, but Yep. you wouldn't be able to go below the flood level I unless it's a carport. If it's a see. carport, then it can be below. I do okay. So it's it's more in the wording, I'm assuming that you're and also Yeah. the the actual structure. It has to be open, obviously. That's right. Yeah. Open on three sides is the carport. Oh, three sides. Okay. Yep. That's that's how they that's how they picture it. That's how they've done it in the past. Look. They you might be able to find someone in there who can who would assess it differently, but they typically that's about what they would want. Okay. Cool. That that, you know, I guess you've given a bit of insight because I had, like, a carport and a inverted comm as a workshop, which was just like a basement empty, like a, you know, and they were not very happy with it. But in terms of what they wrote in the letter but I think you've given me a bit more insight because I the carport is really only for me. It was one-sided, not Yeah. well, one and a half sided to be exact. But Yeah. I I that's what I assumed the first time I did it. But yeah. No.","start_word":1407,"end_word":1851,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.020877707184533054},{"text":"They they definitely it's great for for them.","start_word":1852,"end_word":1859,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5807364583015442},{"text":"okay. Understood. Yep. Alex, I well, I think I'm likely to call you again and maybe engage. But I'll answer my first question, and I appreciate the callback, Alex. You No. are No you've worries been at all, Eugene. Look. Yeah. Yeah.","start_word":1860,"end_word":1901,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.1158304214477539},{"text":"Pleasure.","start_word":1902,"end_word":1902,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.35292983055114746},{"text":"And, yeah, reach out if you need anything. so can I I guess I'll ask one other question because I know it's my little bit of a regret from after I've put this place and gone through the planning process? Would I be able to engage you before I started planning? Because Yes. Melbourne Water don't do pre engagement. Yes. Like Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. No. I I I would I always recommend someone to to do a quick desktop assessment. So we do desktop assessments. And the thing is, if in the end with the desktop assessment, they purchase the property and they need flood modeling, that Yep. desktop assessment gets fed into the flood modeling assessment. Right. I So, should have done you know, that before. in in the flood modeling assessment, we have data review and reporting that can all kind of come together after as well. So it kinda works together a bit more. So instead it's like a like a two k report that I'll outline all the guidelines, all the things that you'd be worried about, if there's a flood level, if there's all that kind of stuff, Yep. and then how you could get around it. And then Yep. in and and, yeah, just identify any risks, and then I'd be able to use that report for the flood modeling because I would have already purchased some data from so I would have already purchased LIDAR for the site. I would have already purchased oh, sorry. Downloaded all the all the modeling data, basically, that's available. And so that would go straight into a a report. Gotcha. Okay.","start_word":1903,"end_word":2176,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.09019810560900364},{"text":"Alex, I appreciate your time.","start_word":2177,"end_word":2181,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.454413503408432},{"text":"I'll guess No I'll worries. ask one other question not related to my property. What what other reasons would I need to engage you for just so I know that I've got someone highly intelligent that I can engage before? It's it realistically, it's it's for for the most part, if you if you go in and buy something out in a farming zone, it's Yep. always good to have a check because well, it it not so much a check of if you if you to purchase the site. It's more if you decide to put in, like, I don't know, any sort of channels or or dams or whatever. I can tell you where to put a dam, how big the dam could be. I can Yep. also tell you how how you need to probably manage the water so it doesn't impact anyone off-site. So Yep. that type of thing. I've done VCAT cases as well. And then typically, it's sub sorry. Subdivisions as well. If you've got a big subdivision and you don't know where water's going and you need to and you need to demonstrate it from a flood perspective, Yep. I've I've done a bit of water quality stormwater management plans. They're not my bread and butter, but I have a I'm a small business, so I've got other small businesses who do really good with who who are specialists in that, and I use those. So I I Yep. would typically run the project, and they would do the modeling for me. Yep. But, yeah, a lot of it's residential flooding. I see. Would I ever need you say I mean, obviously, I've read the big plan maps, and I bought my place Yes. knowing it was a land of inundation. Admittedly, knowing what I know now, I potentially wouldn't have purchased it. Great site, but it is what it is. Would I would I ever need to engage you for, like, a coastal property that's, like, front of the beach? I've done coastal stuff. Yeah. So there's there's the coastal checks, coastal fee feasibility checks as well, which basically compare the potential sea level rises against your property level. And then you can say, okay. Based on this, you're probably gonna build you need to build about that or you're gonna run out of access, so you won't be Right. able Yep. to build there or whatever. So, yes, certainly Yep. can do coastal. Again, Yep. I've done a bit of coastal, but with the coastal, I I would typically confirm most of my stuff with the coastal specialist as well. So and I've got coastal specialists. So, Yep. Gotcha. yeah, absolutely. No. Those those are part of it.","start_word":2182,"end_word":2638,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.04982269582230622},{"text":"All good. Look, Alex, you are a champion. I really appreciate the conversation and the time you've given up.","start_word":2639,"end_word":2657,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5248385071754456},{"text":"No. I No worries at all.","start_word":2658,"end_word":2663,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.19028189778327945},{"text":"I look forward to hopefully engaging in the future.","start_word":2664,"end_word":2672,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.33499875664711},{"text":"Hopefully, not with this one, Yeah. Well but yeah. Look. Hopefully, but you don't have may to engage me. Let's be honest. If you if you get maybe around flooding, it's always maybe I always recommend with getting around flooding if this you can. But if one. you need me, you Yep. know, you've got my number. Done. Give me a call anytime.","start_word":2673,"end_word":2735,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0037410822179582384},{"text":"Thank you so much, Alex. Alex, just Awesome.","start_word":2736,"end_word":2743,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.6678644418716431},{"text":"so I can Alex, just so I can save it on my phone, what's the surname, Alex? Simmons, s I, m m, o n s. Okay. And s s w m, wasn't it? That's right. Yeah. Done.","start_word":2744,"end_word":2780,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.1226263791322708},{"text":"Thanks, Alex. Cheers Thanks. out. You too.","start_word":2781,"end_word":2787,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5530595779418945},{"text":"Bye. Bye.","start_word":2788,"end_word":2789,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.20947693288326263}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0008510563504644548}}}}