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I've been asked to write a quote, and I don't well, sorry. I I've worked at catch up management authorities. I've worked in Melbourne I actually co wrote their guidelines. And so my preference is always to work with counsel and, I guess, anyone who's assessing it more than challenging. And so I I just wanted to ask you a few questions if you don't if you have any time. Just I guess yeah. Awesome. Well, first of all, I I guess it's almost just what your thoughts are on the client. Like, are they have they been really difficult with you, or have they been relatively easy to deal with? Or yeah. I'm just curious. Yeah. No. That's really good to know. That's a huge pit. Fingerhacks. That's I I just I've noticed plenty of them, and and I think, unfortunately, in the wallet area, there's I've had some people who haven't been the most pleasant to deal with. So I'm I'm I'm always just a little bit apprehensive, unfortunately. But yeah. Yeah. Pretty. Yeah. That that's true. Yeah. That that is. The thing that I was concerned about is typically, VicTrack don't want any impact at all. So even if it's, you know, very minimal impact, you know, less than 10 mil, they're they're very they're almost the most strict organization I think I've ever had to deal with. And so I yeah. I was curious what your thoughts are on if we were to do it, what the Aflox what would you would expect it to be, whether or not would it be would would it be do you think we would be able to do 10 mil, or is that or do you think it's gonna be displayed in zero and and that's what we asked? Yeah. Nice. Yes. Okay. I think that's Okay. Fantastic. That's great. Oh, look. I mean, look. That's the way I'd like to assess it as long as it it's risk based as opposed to just a number. Because if it's risk based, then, you know, if that one centimeter is toppling over, then we know that that's not acceptable. But if it's, you know, 300 mil deep and there's still a free board of 600, 800 mil, and it's only one centimeter, then maybe it is tolerable. So, yes, that makes that's really good. Okay. That's that's really good to know. Sure. Yes. Sure. Yes. Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. Perfect. Oh, okay. Yep. Yep. Okay. To test. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Sure. Okay. And and is the expectation so we usually book build flood models with Rob and and two flow. And is is there a flow available, or is the expectation to build both models? Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Great. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Which is fair. Yeah. Okay. But yeah. Yeah. That would be look. I mean, any information is better than none. But, yeah, I I I I guess yeah. If it isn't endorsed yet, then I know Melbourne Water typically pretty hesitant to give out any information. So I I yeah. It that was good that there is something so that at least maybe we can validate our modeling based on there. Is it yeah. Yeah. I don't think we'll be able that's right. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. Brilliant. Okay. Alright. So that that that makes it pretty simple. It seems, yeah, I mean, relatively straightforward. So, I mean, from from a modeling perspective, at least the the existing and developed scenario. So, yeah, brilliant. That that's that was really helpful. Thank you so much. I yeah. I have I'm sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I mean, ideally, we don't have to get in VICTrack at all. I I I yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'd I'd look up. My experience with MickTrack is just if you can, like like, how I'll try to not get in the anywhere near the the corridor, if you can avoid it, get as far away from it. Yes. Okay. Brilliant. And look, I I I had a look at their design and their yield's pretty high. So, you know, if it means they have to lose a lot, they might have to lose a lot, and that's, you know, that's just part of it sometimes. Yes. Okay. Perfect. Well, no. That's really, really helpful. Thank you. And are you do you typically do these assessments yourself, or do you typically give them to Melbourne Water? Okay. Yep. Oh, have they? Okay. Okay. I haven't give got any of that context. Okay. There you go. That's important to know you because the way that yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. That's really helpful. Sure. Yeah. Well, that would be the main one. Yeah. I I would say the the sizing of the culverts and everything would be helpful. But yeah. No. Look. This is really helpful, and and especially on it, because some councils in Melbourne do their own flood modeling and are the floodplain manager. And so I had assumed that you were because that was the only email I got. But it's really good to know that, actually, now it's Melbourne Water. They've just the client decided not to give me that information for some reason or another. I'm not sure why. But anyway yeah. Okay. Yes. Yes. Sure. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Great. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. 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How are you? Yeah. Good. Good. I believe you called me regarding 56 Station Street. Yep. Sure. Yeah. Go for it. Look. Naturally, they're eager to get this all sorted. But, yeah, they've been fairly reasonable and upfront with everything. I haven't had much difficulty with them, and they've they've got the the clients have multiple developments with us across the areas. So, yeah, we've we've got a fairly decent working relationship. Yeah. With this one, I've guess you've probably been described the scope in terms of flood modeling and making sure the the the Vic track corridor, I guess, isn't unreasonably impacted by the proposed set of works, I think. Is that is that what you've been led to understand as well from your side? Yep. They are. Yep. That that's the difficulty. We've had similar issues in the past. And in one instance, they had to bore a new pipe under the rail corridor to the other side to sort of mitigate the impacts on the rail corridor itself. It's tricky because, obviously, there's freight and other things coming through this rail corridor as well. It's probably a little bit more sensitive than others as well. Yeah. It's it's hard to say. As low as we can. Yeah. If it's 10 mil, something that's reasonable to suggest that we're not something reasonable. That's the key. Right? So the the key key requirement under the water act is not unreasonably impacting another. So it has to be within a sort of tolerable reason. And I guess it's about understanding what the existing depths out within the rail corridor in terms of what that offset is to the actual trucks. And from there, we'd probably better understand what sort of give and what would a 10 mil sort of increase mean for that space? Yeah. Yeah. And it's and it's probably looking at ways to offset those impacts. I know there's a portion of the catchment that's running west as opposed to east now, so you are reducing some level of the catchment. Maybe that means that it there'd be a bit more give there. Maybe other things to consider as part of the modeling would be, you know, dropping the shared path further and maybe making it in line with whatever the invert is currently in that corridor to sort of mean that that's submerged in those major sort of events. Yeah. So so it's about just trying to mitigate as much as you can whilst working within the road reserve. Even if it means potentially reducing the road pavement cross section maybe, if if ideally not, but, you know, maybe it might need a bit happen in order to accommodate this change. I don't know. But but those are the sort of things you'll need to sort of assess as part of your process, and those are the sort of leeways you may have available to you to make it work. Yep. I will say Melbourne Water Council and Eugenia are currently doing flood modeling in Wallen, the whole Wallen township. They have already undertaken modeling in that corridor. It may be worth getting in contact with them, and I don't know whether they're permitted to release that information or anything, whether it's still confidential. But we can reach out to them and see if we can get some flows for you in that area. If you can break down what specifically you need in that space, we can see what we can disclose. Obviously, you might need to enter a data agreement with with Melbourne Water maybe, a data sharing because they're the lead on the project. But, yeah, maybe that could be worked in the background to make things easier. Yep. Validation, I think, is the key. Yeah. I I think the key would be using it for validation purposes and making sure you're generally on the yeah. Probably not. Yeah. True. I I agree. I agree. Yeah. I was going to say it may be a tricky space, and maybe if it is significant, the the depth changes within the rail corridor, maybe it's worth thinking about, yeah, what other I I guess exploit all your options in that space is what I'd strongly suggest because the key thing is we don't want big truck coming to us and saying, hey, guys. What's going on over here? You know, put a stop to it. You know, that's that's if we're not affecting that yeah. If if we're not impacting the AFlex, then we we don't really. But We are. That's when it's sort of yeah. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. It's typically run through Melbourne Water. So they're the they're the main cash they're the cash flow management authority, and they're the ones that will assess what changes to because they've given finished four levels as well, I believe, for the development. So yes. Yes. Yeah. So that so may maybe what I suggest is just ask the client for a copy of the Melbourne Water planning permit conditions and just go through them. I think they've got designated levels set, which is which is sort of making a bit of a constraint within what they in terms of the workability with the design, I think, as well. So, anyways, those those are the things to work through. As I said to you, I could probably see whether we can get some some queue figures in terms of what the flow rates coming through there at. And I guess you you probably need to have an understanding what the existing culverts are under the freeway too under their rail corridor. Sorry. Well, maybe they don't wanna involve them to avoid the complexities that come with it. But, ultimately, Melbourne Water's got concerns as well with this area with the the regrading changes and the the flood implications that it may carry. I know they own the adjacent land, though. 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How are you? Yeah. Good. Good.\n\nI believe you called me regarding 56 Station Street. Yep. Sure. Yeah. Go for it.\n\nLook. Naturally, they're eager to get this all sorted. But, yeah, they've been fairly reasonable and upfront with everything. I haven't had much difficulty with them, and they've they've got the the clients have multiple developments with us across the areas. So, yeah, we've we've got a fairly decent working relationship.\n\nYeah. With this one, I've guess you've probably been described the scope in terms of flood modeling and making sure the the the Vic track corridor, I guess, isn't unreasonably impacted by the proposed set of works, I think. Is that is that what you've been led to understand as well from your side? Yep. They are.\n\nYep. That that's the difficulty. We've had similar issues in the past. And in one instance, they had to bore a new pipe under the rail corridor to the other side to sort of mitigate the impacts on the rail corridor itself. 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You're speaking. Tell me something.\n\nChannel 1: Alex Bessie calling from Mitchell Shire. How are you?\n\nChannel 0: Good, Dusty. How are you?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Good. Good. I believe you called me regarding 56 Station Street.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. So I've been asked to do flood modeling for it. And\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: well, sorry. I've been asked to write a quote, and I don't well, sorry. I I've worked at catch up management authorities. I've worked in Melbourne I actually co wrote their guidelines. And so my preference is always to work with counsel and, I guess, anyone who's assessing it more than challenging.\n\nAnd so I I just wanted to ask you a few questions if you don't if you have any time.\n\nChannel 1: Sure. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Just\n\nChannel 1: Go for it.\n\nChannel 0: I guess yeah. Awesome. Well, first of all, I I guess it's almost just what your thoughts are on the client. 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Pretty.\n\nChannel 1: With this one, I've guess you've probably been described the scope in terms of flood modeling and making sure the the the Vic track corridor, I guess, isn't unreasonably impacted by the proposed set of works, I think. Is that is that what you've been led to understand as well from your side?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. That that's\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: true. Yeah. That that is. The thing that I was concerned about is typically, VicTrack don't want any impact at all. So even if it's, you know, very minimal impact, you know, less than 10 mil, they're they're very they're almost the most strict organization I think I've ever had to deal with.\n\nAnd\n\nChannel 1: They\n\nChannel 0: so\n\nChannel 1: are.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. I was curious what your thoughts are on if we were to do it, what the Aflox what would you would expect it to be, whether or not would it be would would it be do you think we would be able to do 10 mil, or is that or do you think it's gonna be displayed in zero and and that's what we asked?\n\nChannel 1: That that's the difficulty. We've had similar issues in the past. And in one\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: instance, they had to bore a new pipe under the rail corridor to the other side to sort of\n\nChannel 0: Nice.\n\nChannel 1: mitigate the impacts on the rail corridor itself. It's tricky because, obviously, there's freight and other things coming through this rail corridor as well. It's probably a little\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: bit more sensitive than others as well. Yeah. It's it's hard to say. As low as we can. Yeah.\n\nIf it's 10 mil, something that's\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: reasonable to suggest that we're not something reasonable. That's the key. Right? So the the key key requirement under the water act is not unreasonably impacting another. So it has to be within a sort of tolerable reason.\n\nAnd I guess it's about understanding what the existing depths\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: out\n\nChannel 0: think that's\n\nChannel 1: within the rail corridor in terms of what that offset is to the actual trucks. And\n\nChannel 0: Okay. Fantastic.\n\nChannel 1: from there, we'd probably better understand what sort of give and what would a 10 mil sort of increase mean for that\n\nChannel 0: That's great. Oh, look. I mean, look. That's the way I'd like to assess it\n\nChannel 1: space?\n\nChannel 0: as long as it it's risk based as opposed to just a number. Because\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: if it's risk based, then, you know, if that one centimeter is toppling over, then we know that that's not acceptable. But if it's, you know, 300 mil deep and there's still a free board of 600, 800 mil, and it's only one centimeter, then maybe it is tolerable. So, yes, that makes that's really good. Okay. That's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that's really\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: good\n\nChannel 1: it's\n\nChannel 0: to know.\n\nChannel 1: and it's probably looking at ways to offset those impacts. I know there's a portion of\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: the catchment that's running west as opposed to east now, so you are reducing\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: some level of the catchment. Maybe that means that it there'd be a bit more give there. Maybe other things\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: to consider as part of the modeling would be, you know, dropping the shared path further and\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: maybe making it in line with whatever the invert is currently in that corridor to sort of\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: mean that that's submerged in those major sort of events.\n\nChannel 0: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. So so it's about just trying to mitigate as much as you can\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: whilst\n\nChannel 0: Perfect.\n\nChannel 1: working within the road reserve. Even if it means potentially reducing the road pavement cross section maybe, if if\n\nChannel 0: Oh, okay.\n\nChannel 1: ideally not, but, you know, maybe it might need a bit happen in order to accommodate this change. I don't\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: know. But\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: but those are the\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: sort of things you'll need to sort of assess\n\nChannel 0: To\n\nChannel 1: as\n\nChannel 0: test.\n\nChannel 1: part of your process, and those\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: are the\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: sort of leeways you may have available to you to make it work.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Sure. Okay. And and is the expectation so we usually book build flood models with Rob and and two flow.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: And is is there a flow available, or is the expectation to build both models?\n\nChannel 1: I will say Melbourne Water Council and Eugenia are currently doing flood modeling in Wallen, the whole Wallen township.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: They have already\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: undertaken modeling in that corridor. It may be worth getting in contact with them, and I don't know whether they're permitted to release that information or anything, whether it's still confidential. But\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: we can reach out to them and see if we can get some flows for you\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: in that area. If you\n\nChannel 0: Great.\n\nChannel 1: can break down what specifically you need in that space,\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Yes.\n\nChannel 1: we can see what we can disclose. Obviously, you might need to enter a data agreement with\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Which is fair.\n\nChannel 1: with Melbourne Water maybe, a data sharing because they're\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the lead on the project. But,\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, maybe that could\n\nChannel 0: But\n\nChannel 1: be worked in the background to make things easier.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. Yeah. That would be look. I mean, any information is better than none. But, yeah,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I I I I guess yeah. If it isn't endorsed yet, then I know Melbourne Water typically pretty hesitant to give out any information. So I I yeah. It that was good that there is something so that at least maybe we can validate our modeling\n\nChannel 1: Validation,\n\nChannel 0: based on there.\n\nChannel 1: I think,\n\nChannel 0: Is\n\nChannel 1: is the key. Yeah. I I think\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: the key would\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: be using it for validation purposes and\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: making sure\n\nChannel 0: I don't think\n\nChannel 1: you're\n\nChannel 0: we'll\n\nChannel 1: generally\n\nChannel 0: be able\n\nChannel 1: on the yeah. Probably\n\nChannel 0: that's\n\nChannel 1: not.\n\nChannel 0: right.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. True. I\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I agree.\n\nChannel 0: That makes\n\nChannel 1: I agree.\n\nChannel 0: sense. Yeah. Brilliant. Okay. Alright.\n\nSo that that that makes it pretty simple. It seems, yeah, I mean, relatively straightforward. So, I mean, from from a modeling perspective, at least the the existing and developed scenario. So, yeah, brilliant. That that's that was really helpful.\n\nThank you so much.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I yeah. I have I'm sorry.\n\nChannel 1: I was going to say it may be a tricky space, and maybe if it is significant, the the depth changes within the rail corridor, maybe it's worth thinking about, yeah, what other I I guess exploit all your options in that space\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: is what I'd strongly suggest because the key thing is we don't want big truck coming to us and saying, hey, guys. What's going on over here? You know,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Oh, yeah.\n\nChannel 1: put a stop to it.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: You know,\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: that's\n\nChannel 0: mean, ideally,\n\nChannel 1: that's\n\nChannel 0: we don't have to get in VICTrack\n\nChannel 1: if we're\n\nChannel 0: at\n\nChannel 1: not\n\nChannel 0: all.\n\nChannel 1: affecting\n\nChannel 0: I I\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: yeah. If if we're\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: not impacting the AFlex, then we we don't really. But We are.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: when\n\nChannel 0: I'd\n\nChannel 1: it's\n\nChannel 0: I'd\n\nChannel 1: sort of\n\nChannel 0: look up. My experience\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: with MickTrack is just if you can, like like, how I'll try to not get in the anywhere near the the corridor, if you can avoid\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: it, get as\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: far\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: away from it. Yes. Okay. Brilliant. And look, I I I had a look at their design and their yield's pretty high.\n\nSo, you know, if it means they have to lose a lot, they might have to lose a lot, and that's, you know, that's just part of it sometimes.\n\nChannel 1: Yes. Yes.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Okay. Perfect. Well, no. That's really, really helpful.\n\nThank you. And are you do you typically do these assessments yourself, or do you typically give them to Melbourne Water?\n\nChannel 1: It's typically run through Melbourne Water. So\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: they're the they're the main cash they're the cash flow management authority, and they're the ones that will assess what changes to because they've given finished four levels\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: as well, I believe, for the\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: development.\n\nChannel 0: have they?\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: yes.\n\nChannel 0: Okay. I haven't\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: give got any of that context. Okay. There you go. That's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: important\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: to\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: know you because the way that\n\nChannel 1: so may maybe what I suggest is just ask the client for a copy of the Melbourne Water planning permit conditions\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: and just\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: go through them. I think they've got designated levels set,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay. That's\n\nChannel 1: which is\n\nChannel 0: really helpful.\n\nChannel 1: which is sort of making a bit of a constraint within what they in terms of the workability with the design, I think, as well. So,\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: anyways, those those are the things to work through. As I said to you, I could probably see whether we can get some some queue figures in terms of what the flow rates coming through there at. And I guess you you probably need to have an understanding what the existing culverts are under the freeway\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: too under their rail\n\nChannel 0: Well,\n\nChannel 1: corridor.\n\nChannel 0: that would be\n\nChannel 1: Sorry.\n\nChannel 0: the main one. Yeah. I I would say the the sizing of the culverts and everything would be helpful. But yeah. No.\n\nLook. This is really helpful, and and especially on it, because some councils in Melbourne do their own flood modeling and are the floodplain manager. And so I had assumed that you were because that was the only email I got. But it's really good to know that, actually, now it's Melbourne Water. They've just the client decided not to give me that information for some reason or another.\n\nI'm not sure why. But anyway\n\nChannel 1: Well, maybe they don't wanna involve them to avoid the complexities that come with it. But, ultimately, Melbourne Water's got concerns as well with this area with the the regrading\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: changes and the the flood implications that it may carry. I know they own the adjacent land, though. So I I think from\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: my understanding, the client may own the adjacent land. Reach out to them\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: and confirm, but\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: maybe that's part of the consideration and the conversations.\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: They may not. They may not.\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: Maybe I misunderstood this property. But if they do own that land to the north, maybe that is the opportunity to to provide some sort of restriction there to,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, improve\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Absolutely.\n\nChannel 1: things for yeah. So something to just consider. Obviously, they may not have yeah. Maybe it's worth asking them. Don't take my word for it.\n\nAsk them and seek some clarity\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: depending\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: on where you get to into from your investigation work. But as I said before, explore all opportunities. It's critical\n\nChannel 0: Yep. Great.\n\nChannel 1: with Citrac, and they\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: they are difficult. I agree completely\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: with yourself. They they are the most\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: difficult entity to deal with. When it comes to drainage,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: DTP is a close second, but they are very, very challenging.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Yes. Yes. They are very much. Alright.\n\nBrilliant. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Vasil. I really appreciate it. Look.\n\nI I I might end up speaking to you soon about this one, but if I don't, have a good rest of your week.\n\nChannel 1: No worries. You too. Thanks, Alex. Take\n\nChannel 0: Cheers.\n\nChannel 1: care.\n\nChannel 0: Bye.\n\nChannel 1: Bye.","paragraphs":[{"sentences":[{"text":"Hello?","start":1.5999999,"end":1.76,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.012212097644805908},{"text":"You're speaking.","start":1.76,"end":2.32,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.017807647120207548},{"text":"Tell me something.","start":2.32,"end":3.1399999,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.023339859520395596}],"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.019641161741067965,"channel":0,"num_words":6,"start":1.5999999,"end":3.1399999},{"sentences":[{"text":"Alex Bessie calling from Mitchell Shire.","start":4.0,"end":6.16,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.04048535010466973},{"text":"How are you?","start":6.16,"end":6.98,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.07227135449647903}],"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.051080684901939497,"channel":1,"num_words":9,"start":4.0,"end":6.98},{"sentences":[{"text":"Good, 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Alex Bessie calling from Mitchell Shire. How are you?","start_word":0,"end_word":14,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0366433747112751},{"text":"Good, Dusty.","start_word":15,"end_word":16,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3479556739330292},{"text":"How are you? Yeah.","start_word":17,"end_word":20,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.204304501414299},{"text":"Good. Good.","start_word":21,"end_word":22,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4194633662700653},{"text":"I believe you called me regarding 56 Station Street. Yes. So I've been asked to do flood modeling for it. And Yep. well, sorry. I've been asked to write a quote, and I don't well, sorry. I I've worked at catch up management authorities. I've worked in Melbourne I actually co wrote their guidelines. And so my preference is always to work with counsel and, I guess, anyone who's assessing it more than challenging. And so I I just wanted to ask you a few questions if you don't if you have any time. Sure. Yeah. Just Go for it. I guess yeah.","start_word":23,"end_word":125,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.033713448792696},{"text":"Awesome.","start_word":126,"end_word":126,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.393297016620636},{"text":"Well, first of all, I I guess it's almost just what your thoughts are on the client. Like, are they have they been really difficult with you, or have they been relatively easy to deal with? Or Look. Naturally, yeah. I'm just they're curious. eager to get this all sorted. Yeah. But, yeah, they've been fairly reasonable and upfront with everything. I haven't had much difficulty with them, and they've they've got the the clients have multiple developments with us across the areas. So, yeah, we've we've got a fairly decent working relationship. No. That's really good to know.","start_word":127,"end_word":225,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.09923611581325532},{"text":"That's a huge pit. Fingerhacks.","start_word":226,"end_word":230,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5593645572662354},{"text":"That's I I just I've noticed plenty of them, and and I think, unfortunately, in the wallet area, there's I've had some people who haven't been the most pleasant to deal with. So I'm I'm I'm always just a little bit apprehensive, unfortunately. Yeah. But yeah. Yeah. Pretty. With this one, I've guess you've probably been described the scope in terms of flood modeling and making sure the the the Vic track corridor, I guess, isn't unreasonably impacted by the proposed set of works, I think. Is that is that what you've been led to understand as well from your side? Yeah. That that's Yep. true. Yeah. That that is. The thing that I was concerned about is typically, VicTrack don't want any impact at all. So even if it's, you know, very minimal impact, you know, less than 10 mil, they're they're very they're almost the most strict organization I think I've ever had to deal with. And They so are. I Yep. yeah. I was curious what your thoughts are on if we were to do it, what the Aflox what would you would expect it to be, whether or not would it be would would it be do you think we would be able to do 10 mil, or is that or do you think it's gonna be displayed in zero and and that's what we asked? That that's the difficulty. We've had similar issues in the past. And in one Yeah. instance, they had to bore a new pipe under the rail corridor to the other side to sort of Nice. mitigate the impacts on the rail corridor itself. It's tricky because, obviously, there's freight and other things coming through this rail corridor as well. It's probably a little Yes. bit more sensitive than others as well. Yeah. It's it's hard to say. As low as we can. Yeah. If it's 10 mil, something that's Okay. reasonable to suggest that we're not something reasonable. That's the key. Right? So the the key key requirement under the water act is not unreasonably impacting another. So it has to be within a sort of tolerable reason. And I guess it's about understanding what the existing depths I out think that's within the rail corridor in terms of what that offset is to the actual trucks. And Okay.","start_word":231,"end_word":619,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.10002251235638916},{"text":"Fantastic.","start_word":620,"end_word":620,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4995572566986084},{"text":"from there, we'd probably better understand what sort of give and what would a 10 mil sort of increase mean for that That's great. Oh, look. I mean, look. That's the way I'd like to assess it space? as long as it it's risk based as opposed to just a number. Because Yeah. if it's risk based, then, you know, if that one centimeter is toppling over, then we know that that's not acceptable. But if it's, you know, 300 mil deep and there's still a free board of 600, 800 mil, and it's only one centimeter, then maybe it is tolerable.","start_word":621,"end_word":722,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.009767095686173906},{"text":"So, yes, that makes that's really good.","start_word":723,"end_word":729,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.6074533462524414},{"text":"Okay. That's Yeah.","start_word":730,"end_word":732,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.3062073290348053},{"text":"that's really And good it's to know.","start_word":733,"end_word":739,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5268527865409851},{"text":"and it's probably looking at ways to offset those impacts. I know there's a portion of Sure. the catchment that's running west as opposed to east now, so you are reducing Yes. some level of the catchment. Maybe that means that it there'd be a bit more give there. Maybe other things Sure. to consider as part of the modeling would be, you know, dropping the shared path further and Yes. maybe making it in line with whatever the invert is currently in that corridor to sort of Yep. mean that that's submerged in those major sort of events. Mhmm. Yeah. So so it's about just trying to mitigate as much as you can Yeah. whilst Perfect. working within the road reserve. Even if it means potentially reducing the road pavement cross section maybe, if if Oh, okay. ideally not, but, you know, maybe it might need a bit happen in order to accommodate this change. I don't Yep. know. But Yep. but those are the Okay. sort of things you'll need to sort of assess To as test. part of your process, and those Yeah. are the Sure. sort of leeways you may have available to you to make it work. Yeah. Sure. Okay. And and is the expectation so we usually book build flood models with Rob and and two flow. Yep. And is is there a flow available, or is the expectation to build both models? I will say Melbourne Water Council and Eugenia are currently doing flood modeling in Wallen, the whole Wallen township. Okay. They have already Okay. undertaken modeling in that corridor. It may be worth getting in contact with them, and I don't know whether they're permitted to release that information or anything, whether it's still confidential. But Okay. we can reach out to them and see if we can get some flows for you Okay. in that area. If you Great. can break down what specifically you need in that space, Yes. Yes. we can see what we can disclose. Obviously, you might need to enter a data agreement with Yeah. Which is fair. with Melbourne Water maybe, a data sharing because they're Yeah. the lead on the project. But, Okay. yeah, maybe that could But be worked in the background to make things easier. yeah. Yeah. That would be look. I mean, any information is better than none. But, yeah, Yep. I I I I guess yeah. If it isn't endorsed yet, then I know Melbourne Water typically pretty hesitant to give out any information. So I I yeah. It that was good that there is something so that at least maybe we can validate our modeling Validation, based on there. I think, Is is the key. Yeah. I I think it the key would yeah. be using it for validation purposes and Yeah. making sure I don't think you're we'll generally be able on the yeah. Probably that's not. right. Yeah. True. I Yeah. I agree. That makes I agree. sense. Yeah.","start_word":740,"end_word":1241,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.023279479315200177},{"text":"Brilliant.","start_word":1242,"end_word":1242,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3946024775505066},{"text":"Okay. Alright. So that that that makes it pretty simple.","start_word":1243,"end_word":1252,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.2968413531780243},{"text":"It seems, yeah, I mean, relatively straightforward.","start_word":1253,"end_word":1259,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.33426129817962646},{"text":"So, I mean, from from a modeling perspective, at least the the existing and developed scenario.","start_word":1260,"end_word":1275,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.1975104957818985},{"text":"So, yeah, brilliant. That that's that was really helpful. Thank you so much.","start_word":1276,"end_word":1288,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5672098994255066},{"text":"Yeah. I yeah. I have I'm sorry. I was going to say it may be a tricky space, and maybe if it is significant, the the depth changes within the rail corridor, maybe it's worth thinking about, yeah, what other I I guess exploit all your options in that space Yeah. is what I'd strongly suggest because the key thing is we don't want big truck coming to us and saying, hey, guys. What's going on over here? You know, Yeah. Oh, yeah. put a stop to it. Yeah. You know, I that's mean, ideally, that's we don't have to get in VICTrack if we're at not all. affecting I I that I yeah. If if we're yeah. not impacting the AFlex, then we we don't really. But We are. Yeah. Yeah. That's No. when I'd it's I'd sort of look up. My experience yeah. with MickTrack is just if you can, like like, how I'll try to not get in the anywhere near the the corridor, if you can avoid Yes. it, get as Yes. far Yes. away from it. Yes. Okay.","start_word":1289,"end_word":1471,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0604467235220586},{"text":"Brilliant.","start_word":1472,"end_word":1472,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.442927360534668},{"text":"And look, I I I had a look at their design and their yield's pretty high. So, you know, if it means they have to lose a lot, they might have to lose a lot, and that's, you know, that's just part of it sometimes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay.","start_word":1473,"end_word":1521,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.040603846311569214},{"text":"Perfect.","start_word":1522,"end_word":1522,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.47962161898612976},{"text":"Well, no.","start_word":1523,"end_word":1524,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.285769522190094},{"text":"That's really, really helpful. Thank you.","start_word":1525,"end_word":1530,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.467700719833374},{"text":"And are you do you typically do these assessments yourself, or do you typically give them to Melbourne Water? It's typically run through Melbourne Water. So Okay. they're the they're the main cash they're the cash flow management authority, and they're the ones that will assess what changes to because they've given finished four levels Yep. as well, I believe, for the Oh, development. have they? So Okay. yes. Okay. I haven't Yes. give got any of that context. Okay. There you go. That's Yeah. important So to that know you because the way that so may maybe what I suggest is just ask the client for a copy of the Melbourne Water planning permit conditions yeah. and just Yep. go through them. I think they've got designated levels set, Yeah. Okay. That's which is really helpful. which is sort of making a bit of a constraint within what they in terms of the workability with the design, I think, as well. So, Sure. anyways, those those are the things to work through. As I said to you, I could probably see whether we can get some some queue figures in terms of what the flow rates coming through there at. And I guess you you probably need to have an understanding what the existing culverts are under the Yeah. freeway too under their Well, rail corridor. that would be Sorry. the main one. Yeah. I I would say the the sizing of the culverts and everything would be helpful. But yeah. No. Look. This is really helpful, and and especially on it, because some councils in Melbourne do their own flood modeling and are the floodplain manager. And so I had assumed that you were because that was the only email I got. But it's really good to know that, actually, now it's Melbourne Water. They've just the client decided not to give me that information for some reason or another. I'm not sure why. But anyway Well, maybe they don't wanna involve them to avoid the complexities that come with it. But, ultimately, Melbourne Water's got concerns as well with this area with the the regrading yeah. changes and the the flood implications that it may carry. I know they own the adjacent land, though. So I I think from Okay. my understanding, the client may own the adjacent land. Reach out to them Yes. and confirm, but Yes. maybe that's part of the consideration and the conversations. Sure. They may not. They may not. Sure. Maybe I misunderstood this property. But if they do own that land to the north, maybe that is the opportunity to to provide some sort of restriction there to, Yeah. yeah, improve Yeah. Absolutely. things for yeah. So something to just consider. Obviously, they may not have yeah. Maybe it's worth asking them. Don't take my word for it. Ask them and seek some clarity Yeah. depending Yeah. on where you get to into from your investigation work. But as I said before, explore all opportunities. It's critical Yep. Great. with Citrac, and they Yes. they are difficult. I agree completely Yes. with yourself. They they are the most Yeah. difficult entity to deal with. When it comes to drainage, Yeah. DTP is a close second, but they are very, very challenging. Yes. Yes.","start_word":1531,"end_word":2082,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.014949687506051978},{"text":"Yes. They are very much. Alright. Brilliant. Awesome. Well, thank you so much, Vasil. I really appreciate it. Look.","start_word":2083,"end_word":2101,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.7129874229431152},{"text":"I I I might end up speaking to you soon about this one, but if I don't, have a good rest of your week. No worries.","start_word":2102,"end_word":2127,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.20032842457294464},{"text":"You too. Thanks, Alex. Take Cheers. care.","start_word":2128,"end_word":2134,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5340960621833801},{"text":"Bye. Bye.","start_word":2135,"end_word":2136,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.18664857745170593}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.012242889910560611}}}}