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So it's just a standard, and it's been adopted throughout. And so where where they need to, they they will apply it. And in this case, look, it looks like it ponds in your it looks like there's a hole in the backyard, essentially. Is that fair to say? Or Okay. If you look, their their modeling is based on I think it's 2016 modeling. So I actually worked for the CMA. Well, it was the first job I ever had in the industry. So I know them all very well. I speak to them quite regularly. So so I guess, yeah, I I I know what modeling data they've they've got. And so, yeah, there is definitely there there is definitely old stuff in there that that might be that we might be able to argue. So so, essentially, if if it if the lighter or sorry. The survey shows something slightly different when we model it, it might look a little bit better than what it does. It could also work look worse. You know? But I guess I can't guarantee that. And we're modeling it to climate change, which in this area, typically, they do the one in 200 to replicate, yeah, to replicate climate change. Well, because sorry. The one the one in 200 is just because the old model data that they've got, they've done comparisons of what the 2101% would be or one in 100 would be in 2,100, and it's comparable to the point five, and that's why they go to the one in one in two hundred. It would be that's right. That's exactly right. Yeah. So it and and sometimes it's not like it it's sometimes not much more severe. Like, I guess, with Bendigo Creek, look, it it there's so much water going everywhere. There's levees that are not looked after. The the it goes underground, and, you know, there's just a lot going on with it. So it might look a bit different, and and sometimes it might spill in better places. I guess it's the something I I mean, it's it's not ideal, but it might spill in a different in a better place, which, you know, could be a good thing. It might not. Can I ask the actual property? Is it what what's the what's the address? Okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah. I know that. Yeah. Brick or wood? Interesting. Well, that might change it as well. So I guess that's one thing that we could argue that under existing blue color bond, the color bond doesn't go through. So, you you know, unless the the only argument is, though, I guess, it's something I've seen that, Mal Water have done, and I'm I'm imagining sorry. The CMA might do as well, which is that they would never have approved Calabond fencing, so it can't be assumed to be the existing condition. That's it. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I agree. Yeah. So I guess that's probably the biggest yeah. It it it'd be hard to argue either way. Look. Because it backs onto a creek and it also backs onto the sporting fields, sometimes CMA is okay with increasing it on areas that aren't going to affect other people. And so, you know, it may be an increase is okay. I guess the the thing is what I'm hoping and and what might be very well the case is that the the site is actually just flood storage because you see flood depth, but there's no velocity. So if it's just flood storage, then maybe the actual effect of increasing the the fill on the site won't necessarily impact others, I guess, is what I've there's a there's a there's a potential that that's the case. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It might be it it it but we have we'd have to model it to to show that there's no impact. I guess, it's we'd have to model the field. That's right. Exactly. And and and, look, ideally, like I said, ideally, this is just storage, which, again, it probably looks that way mostly because the main flow path does leave within the channel. But, again, you know, that that I can't guarantee without modeling. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It could be. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I totally understand. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I I would look if if because you I wouldn't be suggesting we put fill out sorry. To make it flood free. I'd I'd be suggesting to to remove it so that at least some water goes over the top. The other thing I would probably look at would be like a grate that goes through the car park that helps convey the flows across as well, which could be really easy and and would still potentially be safe. So you'd have both sides of the car park being erased, but then, yeah, just like a middle grade that goes you through, captures most of the flights that normally can get through the site. So I put this there's things that you can do. I mean, without having the plus of these and stuff, it's it's hard for me to tell. And this is the model that they've given us is the 1%. So I guess that that what they haven't given us, climate change. I'm pretty sure this isn't a climate change scenario. Hopefully, it is, but I've I don't think it is. Yep. Yeah. And look look, like I said with the I I we'll we'll be able to get their flood model. They they've they've given that to me in the past, so I wouldn't be too worried about getting it. And it's like in previous experience with them, we've been able to we've been able to find a solution with the two hundred year without having to remodel the whole thing. Because I guess the one thing is they are yes. Yes. They are. They'll ask you to do it, but they're also reasonable. Like, they're not gonna tell you you have to to do a full blood study to figure out what it is. They'll be like, okay. How can we work with you to estimate what it would approximately be? And that's what I would I would raise them and say, let's let's go with we'll use this study, but we use the 200 a year for this study, and that's how we're gonna go down for climate change. And they've said yes to that. So it just say like, otherwise, that that, you know, you cost a 100 200, $300,000 to do a flood study. They're not gonna do that. Yes. Yeah. And like I we we the way that I like to do my assessment is we do we have a whole a whole point where I'll model the existing and develop. And if it just looks like there's no chance, then we don't go ahead, but essentially so the yes. Yes. It is. If you you don't you don't pay for the full assessment, you just pay up to where we've got to, and that's it. Exactly. Exactly. Yep. Yep. No. Yeah. Yeah. Not a check. Not a problem. No. No. The CMA the CMA will never approve that. I I I can I can be a 100%? I can guarantee you that. The way they any like, the Queensland, New South Wales style, it's just not something that any CMA will be interested in. No. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. So so yeah. I mean so especially if it's a residential, is this I guess this I guess the thing is you'd still have to model it as a block out, so you'd still have to show that it's there. So you'd still see impact. If it there there might be opportunities to do it if it was if it wasn't a residential development. But but if if it's housing people, there's still implications. The problem with Bendigo Creek is that there's just no warning system, no proper warning system. It matches through, and that client would know it it does. It'd be it'd be it it does fine. It it it does, and it does. So Yes. Yes. Not necessarily. No. Not necessarily because because you've made it so that because it it would be it has it would have to be structurally sound. Right? It would be you know, instead of the argument with is sorry. With with on stilts or whatever it is, it means you might be able to be above the flood level, but you can't get out while you're raising the road. It means that all the area means that you should be able to successfully and safely drive out without driving through floodwaters. So you can't just have, like, a yeah. That's right. Yes. Yeah. And I feel like that's that's something that we can, like, we can get the existing scenario model, and then we can have that chat before we get down to you know, it's actually designing. Like, we that that can be through the design and and that discussion. K. Awesome. Yes. Exactly. Yes. Exactly. Yes. So yes. Exactly. So I can give you that type of quote originally, and then we can base it on on that. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Managed bill. It's managed bill. That's right. That's right. Exactly. Yes. Awesome. Awesome. Alright. Well, I'll I'll put you on file, and, yeah, we'll we'll we can go from there. Yes, please. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Easy. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty detailed with that. Yeah. I'm pretty detailed with that. So yeah. And and just come back to me and let me know. I'm so sorry. I gotta jump off right again. That's okay. Alright, mate. I'll see I'll send it through you. Look. It might be tomorrow or Thursday at latest. Okay. Awesome. No worries. Bye bye. 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Yeah. Sorry. Okay. Bendigo Motel.\n\nYeah. Great. Okay. So first of all, yes. The CMA every CMA in the state is now assessing any development against climate change regulation.\n\nSo it's just a standard, and it's been adopted throughout. And so where where they need to, they they will apply it. And in this case, look, it looks like it ponds in your it looks like there's a hole in the backyard, essentially. Is that fair to say? Or Okay.\n\nIf you look, their their modeling is based on I think it's 2016 modeling. So I actually worked for the CMA. Well, it was the first job I ever had in the industry. So I know them all very well. I speak to them quite regularly.\n\nSo so I guess, yeah, I I I know what modeling data they've they've got. And so, yeah, there is definitely there there is definitely old stuff in there that that might be that we might be able to argue. So so, essentially, if if it if the lighter or sorry. The survey shows something slightly different when we model it, it might look a little bit better than what it does. It could also work look worse.\n\nYou know? But I guess I can't guarantee that. And we're modeling it to climate change, which in this area, typically, they do the one in 200 to replicate, yeah, to replicate climate change. Well, because sorry. The one the one in 200 is just because the old model data that they've got, they've done comparisons of what the 2101% would be or one in 100 would be in 2,100, and it's comparable to the point five, and that's why they go to the one in one in two hundred.\n\nIt would be that's right. That's exactly right. Yeah. So it and and sometimes it's not like it it's sometimes not much more severe. Like, I guess, with Bendigo Creek, look, it it there's so much water going everywhere.\n\nThere's levees that are not looked after. The the it goes underground, and, you know, there's just a lot going on with it. So it might look a bit different, and and sometimes it might spill in better places. I guess it's the something I I mean, it's it's not ideal, but it might spill in a different in a better place, which, you know, could be a good thing. It might not.\n\nCan I ask the actual property? Is it what what's the what's the address? Okay. Yes. Okay.\n\nYeah. I know that. Yeah. Brick or wood? Interesting.\n\nWell, that might change it as well. So I guess that's one thing that we could argue that under existing blue color bond, the color bond doesn't go through. So, you you know, unless the the only argument is, though, I guess, it's something I've seen that, Mal Water have done, and I'm I'm imagining sorry. The CMA might do as well, which is that they would never have approved Calabond fencing, so it can't be assumed to be the existing condition. That's it.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I agree.\n\nYeah. So I guess that's probably the biggest yeah. It it it'd be hard to argue either way. Look. Because it backs onto a creek and it also backs onto the sporting fields, sometimes CMA is okay with increasing it on areas that aren't going to affect other people.\n\nAnd so, you know, it may be an increase is okay. I guess the the thing is what I'm hoping and and what might be very well the case is that the the site is actually just flood storage because you see flood depth, but there's no velocity. So if it's just flood storage, then maybe the actual effect of increasing the the fill on the site won't necessarily impact others, I guess, is what I've there's a there's a there's a potential that that's the case. Yes. Yeah.\n\nYeah. It might be it it it but we have we'd have to model it to to show that there's no impact. I guess, it's we'd have to model the field. That's right. Exactly.\n\nAnd and and, look, ideally, like I said, ideally, this is just storage, which, again, it probably looks that way mostly because the main flow path does leave within the channel. 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And this is the model that they've given us is the 1%.\n\nSo I guess that that what they haven't given us, climate change. I'm pretty sure this isn't a climate change scenario. Hopefully, it is, but I've I don't think it is. Yep. Yeah.\n\nAnd look look, like I said with the I I we'll we'll be able to get their flood model. They they've they've given that to me in the past, so I wouldn't be too worried about getting it. And it's like in previous experience with them, we've been able to we've been able to find a solution with the two hundred year without having to remodel the whole thing. Because I guess the one thing is they are yes. Yes.\n\nThey are. They'll ask you to do it, but they're also reasonable. Like, they're not gonna tell you you have to to do a full blood study to figure out what it is. They'll be like, okay. 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Good. Thanks for the callback. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, actually sorry. My bad because I knew you were gonna call me back. I'll just jump in another room just in a in the office, and I thought I'm sometimes a bit loud on the phone, so I won't torture my colleague. There you go. Yeah. Good good to go. Good to chat. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yes. Yeah. Look. It's funny. So I've done a site visit, and it I I wouldn't have thought so because it's like, it definitely slopes from like, that picture that I sent you, north is up the page. So it definitely does slope north towards the it they call it the Bendigo Creek, which I've been what's the word? Not the the word fails me, but basically, the the client keeps calling it a a drain because he's, you know, he he doesn't really agree with council wanting us to protect the the creek for for visual reasons. But yeah. Look. It it could be the case. I'm just while we're chatting, I'm just just trying to find the survey to double check. Because yeah. Look. I mean, the short answer off top of my head is I I didn't think it did pull there. But as you say, it certainly does look like it. Yep. Yeah. Fair enough. That that makes sense. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yep. That's good. Yep. One in two 100, did you say? Yeah. Okay. So what what's the what's the reason between the one in 200 rather than the one in 100? Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That that makes sense. Actually, now you say it like that. They've already got they got the 1¢ data. And is that is that likely to be worse? Like, the one in two hundred, I assume, is because it's you know, the idea is that it's less less frequent, but when it if and when it happens, it's much more severe. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Good question. So we've been referring to it. It there's three parcels in there. But, basically, the the one that I've been going off is 2 Number 2 Laurel Street, Golden Square. And apologies because I think I think when I sent it after I'd sent my email to you, I was like, I haven't actually told you the address, which I guess it was because partly I wasn't you know, I didn't I didn't wanna load you up with all of this information and expecting all of this advice back before you're engaged. So it was more just kind of setting the context just in general to see if it was something that you were able to look at. But, yeah, it's 22 Laurel Street. So it's it's on that it's the corner of High Street in Laurel Street. I don't know how well you know Bendigo, but, yeah, but it's, yeah, opposite that kind of sporting area. It's it's interesting. I've just one assumption I had, which I think is wrong is, like, from that modeling, they've done it based on potentially topography and and then kind of ignored, you know, what the fence types and that type of thing might be. Because I I think that the property does have solid tall fences around it to the north and east. They're I think they're kinda like that color bond style steel solid steel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. No. That's that's fair enough. And and to be honest as well, the other the other challenge we have with that is I I don't think we've received it yet in in terms of a CMA request, but I know we've had some Melbourne Water. They they want some permeable fencing, and I know the council are likely to hold our our client to that as well. So I guess any kind of leverage we tried to to use with that existing fencing and has eventually been lost. Oh, actually, no. Interesting. So sorry. I've I've just got the the pictures are finally loaded on my computer. So the fence as it presents to the creek to the north is it doesn't help us at all. It's a it's interesting. It's it's a timber piling, solid solid timber piling fence probably to about a meter and a half, but then there's like a picket style pool fence attached to the top of that, I'm assuming, for security reasons. And then the eastern side where it does pool, it shows, yeah, it's a timber. So it's a funny funny site because there's three parcels. There's a bit of a mix of timber, and then there's pool fencing, and then the color bond as well further up the Laurel Street frontage. So, yeah, it's a bit bit varied now now I look at it this way. Yep. Yep. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. And and it when you say flood storage as in if we were just proposing a car park, it's not and a bit of fill to hit that that minimum sorry, that maximum depth of after point three meters. Are you saying that's okay because it's that type of use rather than being a yeah. Yep. Okay. Have to prove it. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough. No. Look. That's good. And I guess for for, like, full full transparency as well. So our client, he's a he's an older guy who probably thinks he's a jack of all trades. And with this feedback that we've got, you know, from my point of view and backed up by Mick, we've said to him, you're gonna have to prove through like, in terms of responding to CMA to to concern or to give them the comfort. We've said you're gonna have to show modeling to prove whatever you're wanting to do works. And and I'm hoping that he he eventually understands that because, you know, I would have thought it's common sense. You can't just say, oh, yeah. This is gonna be fine without proving that factually. So I think you're right. Like, we're gonna need the flood modeling, and and I think that's that's good because I think, yeah, the the thing that we're gonna need to get our client on with, you know, we'll have to obviously give him the the cost your scope and cost to do that so that he can accept it. And, obviously, from my end, I'm I'm I'm basically at this point trying to kinda politely tell him you either do this or you don't move forward kind of thing. So that I think that's I think what you're saying, yeah, that makes sense. Like, whatever whatever assumption is made here, it's gonna need to be backed up and validated through modeling either way. So and I guess from my point of view as well, like, is it is it too difficult for you to know, like, looking at that little snippet I sent you, and I appreciate it's pretty it's very limited in feedback from the CMA. But do you do you have a feeling, like because I think we were thinking maximum the fill might have to be increased by about half a meter or so in that area where it's pulling the most. But do you think, like and again, like, happy for you to say it's it's too hard to know without modeling, but do you have any kind of initial thought as to whether that still might be be okay? Like, to because I guess to kind of cut to the chase from my point of view, what what we're trying to avoid is is doing all the modeling and then it coming back. And and I mean, if if it is the case, it is the case. We'll just have to make sure the client's aware. But I think he he's just kind of at that situation right now where he's like he he's obviously pretty fee sensitive, and he doesn't wanna necessarily do it if it's not gonna help him help his case because he'll what he'll do otherwise, I think, is effectively just try and leave that northern end of the site almost untouched, which I doubt is possible, to be honest. But I think that's where he's kind of leaning towards if we can't give him some kind of initial suggestion, it might be okay to do you know, a little bit of fill for a car park. But yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. That's a good idea. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yep. I hadn't thought of that. Yeah. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. No. You're right. I think I think you're right. I think I'm stretching my memory with it, but I I think you're spot on. I think they were basically saying we we haven't done the the climate change modeling, which as you're saying, it's the one in 200 assessment. And and I think they're putting it because I I guess that was the other thing. Like, when the the project team, we kind of forwarded on the CMA advice and they you know, one of the comments is basically how come they're making us by putting the burden on us to do this modeling. But I I think, you know, what I tried to turn around to them in in saying was, well, if you're making a change on your site, that's what you need to model. You need to model, you know, what the issue what the impact is gonna be of your changes to the site as it currently is. So I think you're right. It's And as you say, yeah, we don't have any velocity information or anything. And, like, there's a little bit of extra info I can send you, but I was just conscious of, you know, not giving you too much if you if you didn't wanna waste your time on it, that kind of thing. But but, obviously, once once you're engaged, we can give you whatever you kinda need that we've got if it helps, and then you can can take it from there, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Good to know. No. And that and that's that's right. Like, that's I mean, as as you know, like, common sense side with a a proposal of this scale, which I don't think I sent you the plans or anything, but it's basically they're proposing a initially, it was a motel with the buildings in the southern extent of the site. Like, pretty much, if you look at that little image I sent, it's pretty much in that what is it? It's actually that it's, like, kind of a south eastern corner of the site on the corner of the straight intersection. And then where all that blue is is effectively where a car park was proposed. So I I think you're right. Like, because of this the minor scale of the project, the clients I I think you'll have a tipping point where you'll just say, oh, I can't can't afford to to do all, you know, a certain scope of of modeling if that's But as you say, it sounds it sounds relatively positive that, as you say, it serves. C m a will be facilitated or at least try and work with approximations or or the like. If if it's within, I guess, you know, as long as it's not questionable in terms of where the line is. Yep. Don't go any further. Yep. Yeah. Yep. No. That that makes sense. I I think that's the way to go because it's yeah. You know, it's one step at a time, isn't it really? Like, is it worth going to the next step if if the current results are are looking promising and then you go from there? So, no, that that sounds good. And then the other thing and, again, this is probably something I tried to manage with the client's query because he was asking me the where where he's heading, I think, is he knows he can't probably have well, I say he knows. The the assumption at this point is possibly that they can't have a building in that flood area at ground level because the, and I don't think I mentioned in my email to you, but the floor minimum floor level that CMA required is, I reckon, it's around a meter or so above the natural ground level, which obviously isn't a great result architecturally and that type of thing. So where the client was heading with it was potentially he would have a building on stilts. Well, you know, it's probably a rough way of saying it, but, you know, some structure in that car park with building above it. But then I've you know, my response to it is I'm not an engineer or an architect, and, like, you know, the size of these columns and the amount of them and their location, all of that obviously has an influence on what the impact is of that on the flooding. So he he was trying to work out, could they get away with that? And I think, yeah, you'd have to no chance did you say? Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So, yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't matter if the building's like a 1st Floor kind of level in that area. It's it's just it's in a flood flood risk zone, and that's that's an issue. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yep. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Interesting. Yep. Like, quick flooding. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go. Yeah. Good to know. No. Look. That that's that's excellent advice because I think, look, that's I mean, that's big in terms of because I think he his his suggestion to me, and I haven't he hasn't kinda gone any further with it, but he was just kinda saying, oh, we'll just have, yeah, some post or structure in there. But I think he was probably just coming from the point of view of, you know, it being a a structure in the flood area. But as you say, it's the use as well to consider that. And just from my point of view to clarify, is that regardless like, hypothetically, even if you filled you, you know, if if you took the solution of filling the site to get rid of that flood depth issue, would that still be the case that they'd still say no, you know, as it stands right now, it's still a flood area. We still don't don't support it. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. I get you. Yep. So, basically, it's kind of two. Yeah. There's two there's two kind of paths. One is you don't necessarily do all of the fill to prevent the flooding from occurring on your site, and I appreciate that's probably another opening a can of worms in terms of the downstream impact. And and if you sorry. Yeah. So if you don't do the fill, you can't do the buildings above because as you say, there's there's not that safe access and there's a risk because that the site floods quickly. On the flip side, you could fill potentially and have the buildings above because, hypothetically, the floods flooding is no longer gonna occur there because of the raised topography, but the, I guess, the byproduct of that or the the domino effect is that you you might be causing flooding issues downstream that you then need to address. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Alright. Well, look. Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. It it all that all makes sense to me, to be honest. So I think yeah. It it to me, it sounds like I mean, flooding modeling is gonna be required. It's just gonna depend on do you probably looking for your thoughts on which which way do you go with the modeling as in do you do you try and test putting some fill on the site? And then that allowing potentially some building within that area? Or do you do the alternative of no fill or the limited fill grates and that type of thing, but you can only get a car park or something similar? Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yep. That makes sense. So, yeah, there'll be a choice, basically, like, as in look looking at what the results show you. And then it's, yeah, a question of, do you wanna go with a fill fill path and buildings, or do you wanna go with just keeping the car part but making sure you can keep CMA happy in terms of the flood risk? Yep. Yep. Okay. No. Look. That that sounds good to me. Okay. Well, I guess from here then, are you, like, open to what your process usually is, but would you provide something like a fee proposal which kinda just outlines the initial scope? And then I can just link you in with the client, and we'll just see what he wants to do. Yep. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. That sounds good to me. Well, I'll because what I'll do just to kinda keep him and I mean, the other thing, I I think I probably touched on it, but or maybe you didn't. But the and this is always the way I'm sure you probably have it with other projects too. Like, they the client initially did reach out to get advice from the CMA, but it probably wasn't really made clear that he'd have to do some potential modeling on on his site. So he feels like he's lost time. And so it's just one of those ones where I'm just trying to make him feel like there is progress because we also had to wait a while for the CMA to come back. So I think I can in the short term, I can update him now and just say I've had a chat with you. And and without, like, putting words in your mouth, I'll just say say effectively that there should be a way to find a solution for the car parking proposal. Like, if if it's minimal fill, but but obviously just working through that. Alternatively sorry? Yeah. Managed fill. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And and then or alternatively, depending on what the modeling shows, then, you know, there might be an opportunity to consider a building above. But but and I'll just kind of say to him, but either way, you're you're gonna need to do some modeling if you wanna go down this path. And I'll I'll also just add that commentary to him as well just to say, you know, CMA, that chance of getting their support. If if you're not doing some, you know, design change that effectively removes that flooding risk on the site. And, again, that's gonna come down to some modeling to prove that. Yep. Yeah. Cool. Okay. That that sounds good. Yeah. Thanks, Alex. Yeah. No. Perfect. No. That sounds good. Just I'm sure, like, what I can do once you send the the proposal through as well, I can always come back with any questions. But I guess in in the in the if if it wasn't going to be the case, if there's any ability for you to kind of put some time frames around, you know, how long it takes you to do the work at your end, that'll that'll just help as well. Yep. Just just per his expectations. Yeah. Nice. Yep. No. I figured so. Yeah. No. Easy. No. Thanks, Alex. No. That's no. Very that's fine. No. Much much appreciated. Thanks for the time, Alex, and we'll keep in touch. Perfect. Right then. Thanks, Alex. Cheers. 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Good. Thanks for the callback. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nOh, actually sorry. My bad because I knew you were gonna call me back. I'll just jump in another room just in a in the office, and I thought I'm sometimes a bit loud on the phone, so I won't torture my colleague. There you go. Yeah.\n\nGood good to go. Good to chat. Yeah. Okay. Yep.\n\nYes. Yeah. Look. It's funny. So I've done a site visit, and it I I wouldn't have thought so because it's like, it definitely slopes from like, that picture that I sent you, north is up the page.\n\nSo it definitely does slope north towards the it they call it the Bendigo Creek, which I've been what's the word? Not the the word fails me, but basically, the the client keeps calling it a a drain because he's, you know, he he doesn't really agree with council wanting us to protect the the creek for for visual reasons. But yeah. Look. It it could be the case.\n\nI'm just while we're chatting, I'm just just trying to find the survey to double check. Because yeah. Look. I mean, the short answer off top of my head is I I didn't think it did pull there. But as you say, it certainly does look like it.\n\nYep. Yeah. Fair enough. That that makes sense. Yeah.\n\nYep. Yeah. Okay. Yep. That's good.\n\nYep. One in two 100, did you say? Yeah. Okay. So what what's the what's the reason between the one in 200 rather than the one in 100?\n\nYeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. Okay.\n\nYeah. Okay. That that makes sense. Actually, now you say it like that. They've already got they got the 1¢ data.\n\nAnd is that is that likely to be worse? Like, the one in two hundred, I assume, is because it's you know, the idea is that it's less less frequent, but when it if and when it happens, it's much more severe. Yeah. Okay. Yeah.\n\nYep. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nGood question. So we've been referring to it. It there's three parcels in there. But, basically, the the one that I've been going off is 2 Number 2 Laurel Street, Golden Square. And apologies because I think I think when I sent it after I'd sent my email to you, I was like, I haven't actually told you the address, which I guess it was because partly I wasn't you know, I didn't I didn't wanna load you up with all of this information and expecting all of this advice back before you're engaged.\n\nSo it was more just kind of setting the context just in general to see if it was something that you were able to look at. But, yeah, it's 22 Laurel Street. So it's it's on that it's the corner of High Street in Laurel Street. I don't know how well you know Bendigo, but, yeah, but it's, yeah, opposite that kind of sporting area. It's it's interesting.\n\nI've just one assumption I had, which I think is wrong is, like, from that modeling, they've done it based on potentially topography and and then kind of ignored, you know, what the fence types and that type of thing might be. Because I I think that the property does have solid tall fences around it to the north and east. They're I think they're kinda like that color bond style steel solid steel. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYep. No. That's that's fair enough. And and to be honest as well, the other the other challenge we have with that is I I don't think we've received it yet in in terms of a CMA request, but I know we've had some Melbourne Water. They they want some permeable fencing, and I know the council are likely to hold our our client to that as well.\n\nSo I guess any kind of leverage we tried to to use with that existing fencing and has eventually been lost. Oh, actually, no. Interesting. So sorry. I've I've just got the the pictures are finally loaded on my computer.\n\nSo the fence as it presents to the creek to the north is it doesn't help us at all. It's a it's interesting. It's it's a timber piling, solid solid timber piling fence probably to about a meter and a half, but then there's like a picket style pool fence attached to the top of that, I'm assuming, for security reasons. And then the eastern side where it does pool, it shows, yeah, it's a timber. So it's a funny funny site because there's three parcels.\n\nThere's a bit of a mix of timber, and then there's pool fencing, and then the color bond as well further up the Laurel Street frontage. So, yeah, it's a bit bit varied now now I look at it this way. Yep. Yep. Yes.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yep. Okay. And and it when you say flood storage as in if we were just proposing a car park, it's not and a bit of fill to hit that that minimum sorry, that maximum depth of after point three meters.\n\nAre you saying that's okay because it's that type of use rather than being a yeah. Yep. Okay. Have to prove it. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough.\n\nNo. Look. That's good. And I guess for for, like, full full transparency as well. So our client, he's a he's an older guy who probably thinks he's a jack of all trades.\n\nAnd with this feedback that we've got, you know, from my point of view and backed up by Mick, we've said to him, you're gonna have to prove through like, in terms of responding to CMA to to concern or to give them the comfort. We've said you're gonna have to show modeling to prove whatever you're wanting to do works. And and I'm hoping that he he eventually understands that because, you know, I would have thought it's common sense. You can't just say, oh, yeah. This is gonna be fine without proving that factually.\n\nSo I think you're right. Like, we're gonna need the flood modeling, and and I think that's that's good because I think, yeah, the the thing that we're gonna need to get our client on with, you know, we'll have to obviously give him the the cost your scope and cost to do that so that he can accept it. And, obviously, from my end, I'm I'm I'm basically at this point trying to kinda politely tell him you either do this or you don't move forward kind of thing. So that I think that's I think what you're saying, yeah, that makes sense. Like, whatever whatever assumption is made here, it's gonna need to be backed up and validated through modeling either way.\n\nSo and I guess from my point of view as well, like, is it is it too difficult for you to know, like, looking at that little snippet I sent you, and I appreciate it's pretty it's very limited in feedback from the CMA. But do you do you have a feeling, like because I think we were thinking maximum the fill might have to be increased by about half a meter or so in that area where it's pulling the most. But do you think, like and again, like, happy for you to say it's it's too hard to know without modeling, but do you have any kind of initial thought as to whether that still might be be okay? 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I think I think you're right. I think I'm stretching my memory with it, but I I think you're spot on. I think they were basically saying we we haven't done the the climate change modeling, which as you're saying, it's the one in 200 assessment. And and I think they're putting it because I I guess that was the other thing.\n\nLike, when the the project team, we kind of forwarded on the CMA advice and they you know, one of the comments is basically how come they're making us by putting the burden on us to do this modeling. But I I think, you know, what I tried to turn around to them in in saying was, well, if you're making a change on your site, that's what you need to model. You need to model, you know, what the issue what the impact is gonna be of your changes to the site as it currently is. So I think you're right. It's And as you say, yeah, we don't have any velocity information or anything.\n\nAnd, like, there's a little bit of extra info I can send you, but I was just conscious of, you know, not giving you too much if you if you didn't wanna waste your time on it, that kind of thing. But but, obviously, once once you're engaged, we can give you whatever you kinda need that we've got if it helps, and then you can can take it from there, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nGood to know. No. And that and that's that's right. Like, that's I mean, as as you know, like, common sense side with a a proposal of this scale, which I don't think I sent you the plans or anything, but it's basically they're proposing a initially, it was a motel with the buildings in the southern extent of the site. Like, pretty much, if you look at that little image I sent, it's pretty much in that what is it?\n\nIt's actually that it's, like, kind of a south eastern corner of the site on the corner of the straight intersection. And then where all that blue is is effectively where a car park was proposed. So I I think you're right. Like, because of this the minor scale of the project, the clients I I think you'll have a tipping point where you'll just say, oh, I can't can't afford to to do all, you know, a certain scope of of modeling if that's But as you say, it sounds it sounds relatively positive that, as you say, it serves. C m a will be facilitated or at least try and work with approximations or or the like.\n\nIf if it's within, I guess, you know, as long as it's not questionable in terms of where the line is. Yep. Don't go any further. Yep. Yeah.\n\nYep. No. That that makes sense. I I think that's the way to go because it's yeah. You know, it's one step at a time, isn't it really?\n\nLike, is it worth going to the next step if if the current results are are looking promising and then you go from there? So, no, that that sounds good. And then the other thing and, again, this is probably something I tried to manage with the client's query because he was asking me the where where he's heading, I think, is he knows he can't probably have well, I say he knows. The the assumption at this point is possibly that they can't have a building in that flood area at ground level because the, and I don't think I mentioned in my email to you, but the floor minimum floor level that CMA required is, I reckon, it's around a meter or so above the natural ground level, which obviously isn't a great result architecturally and that type of thing. So where the client was heading with it was potentially he would have a building on stilts.\n\nWell, you know, it's probably a rough way of saying it, but, you know, some structure in that car park with building above it. But then I've you know, my response to it is I'm not an engineer or an architect, and, like, you know, the size of these columns and the amount of them and their location, all of that obviously has an influence on what the impact is of that on the flooding. So he he was trying to work out, could they get away with that? And I think, yeah, you'd have to no chance did you say? Yeah.\n\nYeah. Okay. So yeah. Okay. Yep.\n\nYeah. Interesting. Okay. So, yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't matter if the building's like a 1st Floor kind of level in that area. It's it's just it's in a flood flood risk zone, and that's that's an issue.\n\nYeah. Okay. Yep. Yep. Yes.\n\nYeah. Okay. Interesting. Yep. Like, quick flooding.\n\nYep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. There you go.\n\nYeah. Good to know. No. Look. That that's that's excellent advice because I think, look, that's I mean, that's big in terms of because I think he his his suggestion to me, and I haven't he hasn't kinda gone any further with it, but he was just kinda saying, oh, we'll just have, yeah, some post or structure in there.\n\nBut I think he was probably just coming from the point of view of, you know, it being a a structure in the flood area. But as you say, it's the use as well to consider that. And just from my point of view to clarify, is that regardless like, hypothetically, even if you filled you, you know, if if you took the solution of filling the site to get rid of that flood depth issue, would that still be the case that they'd still say no, you know, as it stands right now, it's still a flood area. We still don't don't support it. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Yep.\n\nYeah. I get you. Yep. So, basically, it's kind of two. Yeah.\n\nThere's two there's two kind of paths. One is you don't necessarily do all of the fill to prevent the flooding from occurring on your site, and I appreciate that's probably another opening a can of worms in terms of the downstream impact. And and if you sorry. Yeah. So if you don't do the fill, you can't do the buildings above because as you say, there's there's not that safe access and there's a risk because that the site floods quickly.\n\nOn the flip side, you could fill potentially and have the buildings above because, hypothetically, the floods flooding is no longer gonna occur there because of the raised topography, but the, I guess, the byproduct of that or the the domino effect is that you you might be causing flooding issues downstream that you then need to address. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Interesting.\n\nAlright. Well, look. Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. It it all that all makes sense to me, to be honest.\n\nSo I think yeah. It it to me, it sounds like I mean, flooding modeling is gonna be required. It's just gonna depend on do you probably looking for your thoughts on which which way do you go with the modeling as in do you do you try and test putting some fill on the site? And then that allowing potentially some building within that area? Or do you do the alternative of no fill or the limited fill grates and that type of thing, but you can only get a car park or something similar?\n\nYep. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yep.\n\nThat makes sense. So, yeah, there'll be a choice, basically, like, as in look looking at what the results show you. And then it's, yeah, a question of, do you wanna go with a fill fill path and buildings, or do you wanna go with just keeping the car part but making sure you can keep CMA happy in terms of the flood risk? Yep. Yep.\n\nOkay. No. Look. That that sounds good to me. Okay.\n\nWell, I guess from here then, are you, like, open to what your process usually is, but would you provide something like a fee proposal which kinda just outlines the initial scope? And then I can just link you in with the client, and we'll just see what he wants to do. Yep. Okay. Yep.\n\nYeah. Okay. Yeah. No. That sounds good to me.\n\nWell, I'll because what I'll do just to kinda keep him and I mean, the other thing, I I think I probably touched on it, but or maybe you didn't. But the and this is always the way I'm sure you probably have it with other projects too. Like, they the client initially did reach out to get advice from the CMA, but it probably wasn't really made clear that he'd have to do some potential modeling on on his site. So he feels like he's lost time. And so it's just one of those ones where I'm just trying to make him feel like there is progress because we also had to wait a while for the CMA to come back.\n\nSo I think I can in the short term, I can update him now and just say I've had a chat with you. And and without, like, putting words in your mouth, I'll just say say effectively that there should be a way to find a solution for the car parking proposal. Like, if if it's minimal fill, but but obviously just working through that. Alternatively sorry? Yeah.\n\nManaged fill. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And and then or alternatively, depending on what the modeling shows, then, you know, there might be an opportunity to consider a building above. But but and I'll just kind of say to him, but either way, you're you're gonna need to do some modeling if you wanna go down this path.\n\nAnd I'll I'll also just add that commentary to him as well just to say, you know, CMA, that chance of getting their support. If if you're not doing some, you know, design change that effectively removes that flooding risk on the site. And, again, that's gonna come down to some modeling to prove that. Yep. Yeah.\n\nCool. Okay. That that sounds good. Yeah. Thanks, Alex.\n\nYeah. No. Perfect. No. That sounds good.\n\nJust I'm sure, like, what I can do once you send the the proposal through as well, I can always come back with any questions. But I guess in in the in the if if it wasn't going to be the case, if there's any ability for you to kind of put some time frames around, you know, how long it takes you to do the work at your end, that'll that'll just help as well. Yep. Just just per his expectations. Yeah.\n\nNice. Yep. No. I figured so. Yeah.\n\nNo. Easy. No. Thanks, Alex. No.\n\nThat's no. Very that's fine. No. Much much appreciated. Thanks for the time, Alex, and we'll keep in touch.\n\nPerfect. Right then. Thanks, Alex. Cheers. 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Thanks for the callback.\n\nChannel 0: worries at all. Yeah. Sorry. Okay. Bendigo Motel.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, actually sorry. My bad because I knew you were gonna call me back. I'll just jump in another room just in a in the office, and I thought I'm sometimes a bit loud on the phone, so I won't torture my colleague.\n\nThere you go. Yeah. Good good to go. Good to chat.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Great. Okay. So first of all, yes. The CMA every CMA in the state is now assessing any development against climate change regulation.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Okay. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: So it's just a standard, and it's been adopted throughout. And so where where they need to, they they will apply it.\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: And in this case, look, it looks like it ponds in your it looks like there's a hole in the backyard, essentially. Is that fair to say? Or\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Look. It's funny. So I've done a site visit, and it I I wouldn't have thought so because it's like, it definitely slopes from like, that picture that I sent you, north is up the page. So it definitely does slope north towards the it they call it the Bendigo Creek, which I've been what's the word?\n\nNot the the word fails me, but basically, the the client keeps calling it a a drain because he's, you know, he he doesn't really agree with council wanting us to protect the the creek for for visual reasons. But yeah. Look. It it could be the case. I'm just while we're chatting, I'm just just trying to find the survey to double check.\n\nBecause yeah. Look. I mean, the short answer off top of my head is I I didn't think it did pull there. But\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: as you say, it certainly does look like it.\n\nChannel 0: If you look, their their modeling is based on I think it's 2016 modeling. So I actually worked for the CMA. Well, it was\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: the first job I ever had in the industry. So I know them all very well. I speak to them quite regularly.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Fair enough. That that makes sense. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: So so I guess, yeah, I I I know what modeling data they've they've got.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: And so, yeah, there is definitely there there is definitely old stuff in there that\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that might\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: be that we might be able to argue. So so, essentially, if if it if the lighter or sorry. The survey shows something slightly different when we model it, it might look a little bit better than what it does.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. That's good. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: It could also work look worse. You know? But I guess I can't guarantee that. And we're modeling it to climate change, which in this area, typically, they do the one in 200\n\nChannel 1: One in two\n\nChannel 0: to\n\nChannel 1: 100,\n\nChannel 0: replicate,\n\nChannel 1: did you say?\n\nChannel 0: yeah, to replicate climate change.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Okay. So what what's the what's the reason between the one in 200 rather than the one in 100?\n\nChannel 0: Well, because sorry. The one the one in 200 is just because the old model data that they've got,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: they've done comparisons of what the 2101% would be or one in 100 would be in 2,100,\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: and it's comparable to the\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: point five, and that's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: why they go\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: to the one in one in two hundred.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Okay. That that makes sense. Actually, now you say it like that. They've already got they got the 1¢ data.\n\nAnd is that is that likely to be worse? Like, the one in two hundred, I assume, is because it's you\n\nChannel 0: It\n\nChannel 1: know,\n\nChannel 0: would\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: be\n\nChannel 1: idea is that it's less less frequent, but when it if and when it happens, it's much more severe.\n\nChannel 0: that's right. That's exactly right.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: it and and sometimes it's not like it it's sometimes not much more severe. Like, I guess, with Bendigo Creek, look, it it there's so much water going everywhere. There's levees that are not looked after. The the it goes underground, and, you know, there's just a lot going on with it. So it might\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: look a bit\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: different, and and sometimes it might spill in better places. I guess it's the something I I mean, it's it's not ideal, but it might spill in a different in a better place,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 0: which, you know, could be a good thing. It might not. Can I ask the actual\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: property? Is\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it what what's the what's the address?\n\nChannel 1: Good question. So we've been referring to it. It there's three parcels in there.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: But, basically, the the one that I've been going off is 2 Number 2 Laurel Street, Golden Square. And apologies because I think I think when I sent it after I'd sent my email to you, I was like, I haven't actually told you the address, which I guess it was because partly I wasn't you know, I didn't I didn't wanna load you up with all of this information and expecting all of this advice back before you're engaged. So it was more just kind of setting the context just in general to see if it was something that you were able to look at. But, yeah, it's 22 Laurel\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Street. So it's\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: it's on that it's the corner of High Street in Laurel Street. I don't know how well you know Bendigo, but, yeah,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I know\n\nChannel 1: but it's,\n\nChannel 0: that. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, opposite that kind of sporting area. It's it's interesting. I've just one assumption I had, which I think is wrong is, like, from that modeling, they've done it based on potentially topography and and then kind of ignored, you know, what the fence types and that type of thing might be. Because I I think that the property does have solid tall fences around it to the north and east.\n\nChannel 0: Brick or wood?\n\nChannel 1: They're I think they're kinda like that color bond style steel solid steel. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Interesting.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Well,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that might change it as well. So\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: guess that's one thing that we could argue that under existing blue color bond, the color bond doesn't go through. So, you you know, unless\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: the the only argument is, though, I guess, it's something I've seen that, Mal Water have done, and I'm I'm imagining sorry. The CMA might do as well, which is that they would never have approved Calabond fencing, so it can't be assumed to be the existing condition.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yep. No. That's that's\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: fair\n\nChannel 0: it.\n\nChannel 1: enough. And and\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: to be honest as well, the other the other challenge we have with that is I I don't think we've received it yet in in terms of a CMA request, but I know we've had some Melbourne Water. They they want some permeable fencing, and I know the council\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: are likely to hold our our client to that as well. So I guess any kind of leverage we tried to to use with that existing fencing and has eventually been lost. Oh, actually, no. Interesting. So sorry.\n\nI've I've just got the the pictures are finally loaded on my computer. So the fence as it presents to the creek to the north is it doesn't help us at all. It's a it's interesting. It's it's a timber piling, solid solid timber piling fence probably to about a meter and a half, but then there's like a picket style pool fence attached to the top of that, I'm assuming, for security reasons. And then the\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: eastern side where it does pool, it shows, yeah, it's a timber. So it's a funny funny site because there's three parcels. There's a bit of a mix of timber, and then there's pool fencing, and then the color bond as well further up the\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Laurel\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Street frontage. So, yeah, it's a bit bit varied now now I look at it this\n\nChannel 0: agree.\n\nChannel 1: way. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So I guess that's probably the biggest yeah. It it it'd be hard to argue either way. Look. Because it backs onto a creek and it also backs onto the sporting fields, sometimes CMA is okay with increasing it on areas\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: that aren't going to affect other people. And so, you know, it may be an increase is okay. I guess the the thing is what I'm hoping and and what might be very well the case is that\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: the the site is actually just flood storage because you see flood depth, but there's no velocity. So if it's just\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: flood storage, then maybe the actual effect of increasing the the fill on the site won't necessarily impact others, I guess, is what I've there's a there's a there's a potential that that's the case.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yep. Okay. And and it when you say flood storage as in if we were just proposing a car park, it's not and a bit of fill to hit that that minimum sorry, that maximum depth of after point three meters. Are you saying that's okay because it's that type of use rather\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: than being a\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. It might be it it it but we have we'd have to model it to\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: to show that there's no impact. I guess, it's we'd have to model\n\nChannel 1: Have to\n\nChannel 0: the\n\nChannel 1: prove\n\nChannel 0: field.\n\nChannel 1: it.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And and\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: and, look, ideally, like I said, ideally, this is just storage, which, again, it probably looks that way mostly because the main flow path does leave within the channel. But, again, you know, that that I can't guarantee without\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: modeling.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Fair enough. No. Look. That's good.\n\nAnd I guess for for, like, full full transparency as well. So our client, he's a he's an older guy who probably thinks he's a jack of all trades. And with this feedback that we've got, you know, from my point of view and backed up by Mick, we've said to him, you're gonna have to prove through like, in terms of responding to CMA to to concern\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: or to give them the comfort. We've said you're gonna have to show modeling to prove whatever you're wanting to do works.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And and I'm hoping that he he eventually understands that because, you know, I would have thought it's common sense. You can't just say, oh, yeah. This is gonna be fine without proving that factually. So I think\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: you're right. Like, we're gonna need the flood modeling, and and I think that's that's good because I think, yeah, the the thing that we're gonna need to get our client on with, you know, we'll have to obviously give him the the cost your scope and cost to do that so that he can\n\nChannel 0: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 1: accept it. And, obviously, from my end, I'm I'm I'm basically at this point trying to kinda politely tell him you either do this or you don't move forward kind of thing.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: that I think that's I think what you're saying, yeah, that makes sense. Like, whatever whatever assumption is made here, it's gonna need to be backed up and validated through modeling either way.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: So and I guess from my point of view as well, like, is it is it too difficult for you to know, like, looking at that little snippet I sent you, and I appreciate it's pretty it's very limited in feedback from the CMA. But do you do you have a feeling, like because I think we were thinking maximum the fill might have to be increased by about half a meter or so in that area where it's pulling the most.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: But do you think, like and again, like, happy for you to say it's it's too hard to know without modeling, but do you have any kind of initial thought as to whether that still might be be okay? Like, to because I guess to kind of\n\nChannel 0: It could\n\nChannel 1: cut to\n\nChannel 0: be.\n\nChannel 1: the chase from my point of view, what\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: what we're trying to avoid is is doing all the modeling and then it coming back. And and I mean, if if it is the case, it is the case. We'll just have to make sure\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the client's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I totally\n\nChannel 1: aware.\n\nChannel 0: understand.\n\nChannel 1: But I think he he's just kind of at that situation right now where he's like he he's obviously pretty fee sensitive, and he doesn't wanna necessarily do it if it's not gonna help him help his case because he'll what he'll\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: do otherwise, I think, is effectively just try and leave that northern end of the site almost untouched, which I doubt is possible, to be honest. But I think that's where he's kind of leaning towards if we can't give him some kind of initial suggestion, it might be okay to do you know, a little bit of fill for a car park.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Well,\n\nChannel 1: But\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I would look if if because you I wouldn't be suggesting we put fill out sorry. To make it flood free. I'd I'd be suggesting\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: to to remove it so that at least some water goes over the top. The other thing\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I would probably look at would be like a grate that goes through the car park that helps\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: convey the flows across as\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: well,\n\nChannel 1: a good idea. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: which could\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: be really easy\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: and and would still potentially be safe. So you'd have both sides of the car park being erased, but then, yeah, just like a middle grade that goes you through, captures\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: most of the flights that normally can get through the site. So I put this\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: there's things that you can do.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I mean, without\n\nChannel 1: I hadn't thought\n\nChannel 0: having\n\nChannel 1: of that.\n\nChannel 0: the plus of\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: these and stuff, it's it's hard for me to tell. And\n\nChannel 1: Of\n\nChannel 0: this\n\nChannel 1: course.\n\nChannel 0: is the model that they've given us is the 1%. So I guess\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that that what they haven't given us, climate change. I'm pretty sure this isn't a climate change scenario. Hopefully, it is, but I've\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I don't think it is.\n\nChannel 1: No. You're right. I think I think you're right. I think I'm stretching my memory with it, but I I think you're spot on. I think they were basically saying we we haven't done the the climate change modeling, which as you're saying, it's the one in 200 assessment.\n\nAnd and I think they're putting it because I I guess that was the other thing. Like, when the the project team, we kind of forwarded on the CMA advice and they you know, one of the comments is basically how come they're making us by putting the burden on us to do this modeling. But I I think, you know, what I tried to turn around to them in in saying was, well, if you're making a change on your site, that's what you need to model. You need to model, you know, what the issue what the impact is gonna be of your changes to the site as\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: it currently is. So I think you're right. It's And as you say, yeah, we don't have any velocity information or anything. And, like, there's a little bit of extra info I can send you, but I was just conscious of, you know, not giving you too much if you if you didn't wanna waste your time on it, that kind of thing. But but, obviously, once once you're engaged, we can give you whatever you kinda need that we've got if it helps, and then you can can take it from there, I guess.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. And\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: look look, like I said with the I I we'll we'll be able to get their flood model. They they've they've given that to me in the past, so\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I wouldn't be too worried about getting it.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And it's like in previous experience with them, we've been able to we've been able to find a solution with the two hundred year without having to remodel the whole thing. Because I guess\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: the one thing is they are yes. Yes. They are. They'll ask you to do it, but they're also reasonable. Like, they're not gonna tell you you have\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: to to do a full blood study to figure out what it is. They'll be like, okay. How can we work with you to estimate what it would approximately be? And that's what I would I\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: would raise them and say, let's let's go with we'll use this study, but we use the 200 a year for this study, and that's how\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: we're gonna go down for climate change. And they've said yes to that. So it just say like, otherwise, that that, you know, you cost a 100 200, $300,000 to do a flood study. They're not gonna do that.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Good to know. No. And that and that's that's right. Like, that's I mean, as as you know, like, common sense side with a a proposal of this scale, which I don't think I sent you the plans or anything, but it's basically they're proposing a initially, it was a motel with the buildings in the southern extent of the site.\n\nLike, pretty much, if you look at that little image I sent, it's pretty much in that what is it? It's actually that it's, like, kind of a south eastern corner of the site on the corner of the straight intersection.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And then where all that blue is is effectively where a car park was proposed. So I I think you're right. Like, because of this the minor scale of the project, the clients I I think you'll have a tipping point where you'll just say, oh, I can't can't afford to to do all, you know, a certain scope of of modeling if that's But as you say, it sounds it sounds relatively positive that, as you say, it serves. C m a will be facilitated or at least try and work with approximations or or the like. If if it's within, I guess, you know, as long as it's not questionable in terms of where the line is.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. And like I we we the way that I like to do my assessment is we do we have a whole a whole point where I'll model the existing\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: and develop. And if it just looks like there's no chance, then we don't go ahead,\n\nChannel 1: Don't\n\nChannel 0: but\n\nChannel 1: go\n\nChannel 0: essentially\n\nChannel 1: any further.\n\nChannel 0: so the yes. Yes. It is. If you you don't you don't pay for the full assessment, you just pay up to where we've got to, and that's it.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Yeah. Yep. No. That that makes sense.\n\nI I think that's the way to go because it's yeah. You know, it's one step at a time, isn't it really? Like, is it worth going to the next step if if the current results are are looking promising and then you go from\n\nChannel 0: Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: there? So,\n\nChannel 0: Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: no, that that sounds good. And then the other thing and, again, this is probably something I tried to manage with the client's query because he was asking me the where where he's heading, I think, is he knows he can't probably have well, I say he knows. The the assumption at this point is possibly that they can't have a building in that flood area at ground level because the, and I don't think I mentioned in my email to you, but the floor minimum floor level that CMA required is, I reckon, it's around a meter or so above\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: the natural ground level,\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: which obviously isn't a great result architecturally and that type of thing. So where the client was heading with it was potentially he would have a building on stilts. Well, you know, it's probably a rough way of saying it, but, you know, some\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: structure in that car park with building above it. But\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: then I've you know, my response to it is I'm not an engineer or an architect, and, like, you know, the size of these columns and the amount of them and their location, all of that obviously has an influence on what the impact is of that on the flooding. So he he was trying to work out, could they get away with that?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Not\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: check.\n\nChannel 1: think, yeah, you'd have to no chance did you say?\n\nChannel 0: Not\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: a problem. No.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: The\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: CMA the CMA will never approve that.\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: I I can I can be a 100%? I can guarantee you that. The way they\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: any like, the Queensland, New South Wales style, it's just not something that any CMA will be interested in.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So, yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't matter if the building's like a 1st Floor kind of level in that\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: area. It's it's just it's in a flood flood risk zone, and that's that's an issue. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. So\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: so yeah. I mean so especially if it's a residential,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: is this I guess this I guess the thing is you'd still have to model it as a block out, so you'd still have to show that it's there. So you'd still see impact.\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: If it there there might be opportunities to do it if it was if it wasn't a residential development.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 0: But\n\nChannel 1: Interesting.\n\nChannel 0: but if if it's housing people, there's still implications. The problem with Bendigo Creek is that there's just no warning\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: system,\n\nChannel 1: Like,\n\nChannel 0: no proper\n\nChannel 1: quick\n\nChannel 0: warning\n\nChannel 1: flooding.\n\nChannel 0: system.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: It matches through, and that client would know it it does. It'd\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: be it'd be\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it it does fine. It\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it it does,\n\nChannel 1: There you\n\nChannel 0: and\n\nChannel 1: go.\n\nChannel 0: it does. So\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Good to know. No. Look. That that's that's excellent advice because I think, look, that's I mean, that's big in terms of because I think he his his suggestion to me, and I haven't he hasn't kinda gone any further with it, but he was just kinda saying, oh, we'll just have, yeah, some post or structure in there.\n\nBut I think he was probably just coming from the point of view of, you know, it being a a structure in the flood area. But as you say, it's the use as well to consider\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: that. And just from my point of view to clarify, is that regardless like, hypothetically, even if you filled you, you know, if if you took the solution of filling the site to get rid of that flood depth issue, would that\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: still be the case that they'd still say no, you know, as it stands right now, it's still a flood area. We still don't don't\n\nChannel 0: Not\n\nChannel 1: support\n\nChannel 0: necessarily.\n\nChannel 1: it.\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Not necessarily because because you've made it so that because it it would be it has it would have to be structurally sound. Right? It would be\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: you know, instead of the argument with is sorry. With with on stilts or whatever it is, it means you might be able to be above the flood level, but you can't get\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: out while you're raising the road. 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They are exploring the possibility of a property being affected by flood damage and potential issues with a blue wood fence. They suggest modeling to prove the need for flood modeling and using a flood model to estimate the impact of climate change on the site. They also suggest removing a grate to make it flood--free and creating a flood model to determine the impact of changes to the site. They suggest modeling to prove the use of the solution and using a flood model to estimate the impact of climate change on the site. They also discuss the potential impact of flooding on the site and suggest a fee proposal to outline the initial scope."},"intents":{"segments":[{"text":"The CMA every CMA in the state is now assessing any development against climate change regulation. Yeah.","start_word":81,"end_word":97,"intents":[{"intent":"Discuss cma assessment","confidence_score":0.02382163}]},{"text":"I'm just while we're chatting, I'm just just trying to find the survey to double check. 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But I Yes, guess please.","start_word":4835,"end_word":4864,"intents":[{"intent":"Send proposal","confidence_score":0.25646025}]},{"text":"come I back figured to me and so. let me know.","start_word":4946,"end_word":4956,"intents":[{"intent":"Request a callback","confidence_score":0.00045136834}]}]},"sentiments":{"segments":[{"text":"Good day, Alex. No Good. Thanks for the callback. worries at all. Yeah. Sorry. Okay. Bendigo Motel. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, actually sorry. My bad because I knew you were gonna call me back. I'll just jump in another room just in a in the office, and I thought I'm sometimes a bit loud on the phone, so I won't torture my colleague. There you go. Yeah.","start_word":0,"end_word":65,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07193382829427719},{"text":"Good good to go.","start_word":66,"end_word":69,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.36612921953201294},{"text":"Good to chat. 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Not the the word fails me, but basically, the the client keeps calling it a a drain because he's, you know, he he doesn't really agree with council wanting us to protect the the creek for for visual reasons. But yeah. Look. It it could be the case. I'm just while we're chatting, I'm just just trying to find the survey to double check. Because yeah. Look. I mean, the short answer off top of my head is I I didn't think it did pull there. But Okay. as you say, it certainly does look like it. If you look, their their modeling is based on I think it's 2016 modeling. So I actually worked for the CMA. Well, it was Yep. the first job I ever had in the industry. So I know them all very well. I speak to them quite regularly. Yeah. Fair enough. That that makes sense. Yeah. So so I guess, yeah, I I I know what modeling data they've they've got. Yep. And so, yeah, there is definitely there there is definitely old stuff in there that Yeah. that might Okay. be that we might be able to argue. So so, essentially, if if it if the lighter or sorry. The survey shows something slightly different when we model it, it might look a little bit better than what it does. Yep.","start_word":75,"end_word":436,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.00011217524168899704},{"text":"That's good.","start_word":437,"end_word":438,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3946184515953064},{"text":"Yep. It could also work look worse. You know? But I guess I can't guarantee that. And we're modeling it to climate change, which in this area, typically, they do the one in 200 One in two to 100, replicate, did you say? yeah, to replicate climate change. Yeah. Okay. So what what's the what's the reason between the one in 200 rather than the one in 100? Well, because sorry. The one the one in 200 is just because the old model data that they've got, Yeah. they've done comparisons of what the 2101% would be or one in 100 would be in 2,100, Okay. and it's comparable to the Yep. point five, and that's Yeah. why they go Okay. to the one in one in two hundred. Yeah. Okay. That that makes sense. Actually, now you say it like that. They've already got they got the 1<unk> data. And is that is that likely to be worse? Like, the one in two hundred, I assume, is because it's you It know, would the be idea is that it's less less frequent, but when it if and when it happens, it's much more severe. that's right. That's exactly right. Yeah. Yeah. So Okay. it and and sometimes it's not like it it's sometimes not much more severe. Like, I guess, with Bendigo Creek, look, it it there's so much water going everywhere. There's levees that are not looked after. The the it goes underground, and, you know, there's just a lot going on with it. So it might Yeah. look a bit Yep. different, and and sometimes it might spill in better places. I guess it's the something I I mean, it's it's not ideal, but it might spill in a different in a better place, Yeah. Okay. which, you know, could be a good thing. It might not. Can I ask the actual Yeah. property? Is Yeah. it what what's the what's the address? Good question. So we've been referring to it. It there's three parcels in there. Okay. But, basically, the the one that I've been going off is 2 Number 2 Laurel Street, Golden Square. And apologies because I think I think when I sent it after I'd sent my email to you, I was like, I haven't actually told you the address, which I guess it was because partly I wasn't you know, I didn't I didn't wanna load you up with all of this information and expecting all of this advice back before you're engaged. So it was more just kind of setting the context just in general to see if it was something that you were able to look at. But, yeah, it's 22 Laurel Yes. Street. So it's Okay. it's on that it's the corner of High Street in Laurel Street. I don't know how well you know Bendigo, but, yeah, Yeah. I know but it's, that. Yeah. yeah, opposite that kind of sporting area. It's it's interesting. I've just one assumption I had, which I think is wrong is, like, from that modeling, they've done it based on potentially topography and and then kind of ignored, you know, what the fence types and that type of thing might be. Because I I think that the property does have solid tall fences around it to the north and east. Brick or wood? They're I think they're kinda like that color bond style steel solid steel. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Well, Yeah. that might change it as well. So Yeah. I Okay. guess that's one thing that we could argue that under existing blue color bond, the color bond doesn't go through. So, you you know, unless Yeah. the the only argument is, though, I guess, it's something I've seen that, Mal Water have done, and I'm I'm imagining sorry. The CMA might do as well, which is that they would never have approved Calabond fencing, so it can't be assumed to be the existing condition. Yeah. Yep. No. That's that's That's fair it. enough. And and Yeah. to be honest as well, the other the other challenge we have with that is I I don't think we've received it yet in in terms of a CMA request, but I know we've had some Melbourne Water. They they want some permeable fencing, and I know the council Yeah.","start_word":439,"end_word":1162,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.10819057301098473},{"text":"are likely to hold our our client to that as well. So I guess any kind of leverage we tried to to use with that existing fencing and has eventually been lost.","start_word":1163,"end_word":1194,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4723114669322967},{"text":"Oh, actually, no. Interesting. So sorry. I've I've just got the the pictures are finally loaded on my computer. So the fence as it presents to the creek to the north is it doesn't help us at all. It's a it's interesting. It's it's a timber piling, solid solid timber piling fence probably to about a meter and a half, but then there's like a picket style pool fence attached to the top of that, I'm assuming, for security reasons. And then the Okay. eastern side where it does pool, it shows, yeah, it's a timber. So it's a funny funny site because there's three parcels. There's a bit of a mix of timber, and then there's pool fencing, and then the color bond as well further up the Yeah. Laurel I Street frontage. So, yeah, it's a bit bit varied now now I look at it this agree. way. Yep. Yeah. So I guess that's probably the biggest yeah. It it it'd be hard to argue either way. Look. Because it backs onto a creek and it also backs onto the sporting fields, sometimes CMA is okay with increasing it on areas Yep. that aren't going to affect other people. And so, you know, it may be an increase is okay. I guess the the thing is what I'm hoping and and what might be very well the case is that Yes. the the site is actually just flood storage because you see flood depth, but there's no velocity. So if it's just Yeah. flood storage, then maybe the actual effect of increasing the the fill on the site won't necessarily impact others, I guess, is what I've there's a there's a there's a potential that that's the case. Yeah. Yep. Okay. And and it when you say flood storage as in if we were just proposing a car park, it's not and a bit of fill to hit that that minimum sorry, that maximum depth of after point three meters. Are you saying that's okay because it's that type of use rather Yes. than being a Yeah. yeah. Yep. Yeah. It might be it it it but we have we'd have to model it to Okay. to show that there's no impact. I guess, it's we'd have to model Have to the prove field. it. That's right. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. And and Yep. and, look, ideally, like I said, ideally, this is just storage, which, again, it probably looks that way mostly because the main flow path does leave within the channel. But, again, you know, that that I can't guarantee without Yeah. modeling. Yeah. Fair enough. No. Look.","start_word":1195,"end_word":1635,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.01295384948823998},{"text":"That's good.","start_word":1636,"end_word":1637,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4009406268596649},{"text":"And I guess for for, like, full full transparency as well. So our client, he's a he's an older guy who probably thinks he's a jack of all trades. And with this feedback that we've got, you know, from my point of view and backed up by Mick, we've said to him, you're gonna have to prove through like, in terms of responding to CMA to to concern Yes. or to give them the comfort. We've said you're gonna have to show modeling to prove whatever you're wanting to do works. Yes. And and I'm hoping that he he eventually understands that because, you know, I would have thought it's common sense. You can't just say, oh, yeah. This is gonna be fine without proving that factually. So I think Yeah.","start_word":1638,"end_word":1768,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.05729973543691271},{"text":"you're right. Like, we're gonna need the flood modeling, and and I think that's that's good because I think, yeah, the the thing that we're gonna need to get our client on with, you know, we'll have to obviously give him the the cost your scope and cost to do that so that he can Mhmm.","start_word":1769,"end_word":1824,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.39449989795684814},{"text":"accept it. And, obviously, from my end, I'm I'm I'm basically at this point trying to kinda politely tell him you either do this or you don't move forward kind of thing. Yeah. So Yeah. that I think that's I think what you're saying, yeah, that makes sense. Like, whatever whatever assumption is made here, it's gonna need to be backed up and validated through modeling either way. Yeah. So and I guess from my point of view as well, like, is it is it too difficult for you to know, like, looking at that little snippet I sent you, and I appreciate it's pretty it's very limited in feedback from the CMA. But do you do you have a feeling, like because I think we were thinking maximum the fill might have to be increased by about half a meter or so in that area where it's pulling the most. Yeah. But do you think, like and again, like, happy for you to say it's it's too hard to know without modeling, but do you have any kind of initial thought as to whether that still might be be okay? Like, to because I guess to kind of It could cut to be. the chase from my point of view, what Yeah. what we're trying to avoid is is doing all the modeling and then it coming back. And and I mean, if if it is the case, it is the case. We'll just have to make sure Yeah. the client's Yeah. I totally aware. understand. But I think he he's just kind of at that situation right now where he's like he he's obviously pretty fee sensitive, and he doesn't wanna necessarily do it if it's not gonna help him help his case because he'll what he'll Yeah. do otherwise, I think, is effectively just try and leave that northern end of the site almost untouched, which I doubt is possible, to be honest. But I think that's where he's kind of leaning towards if we can't give him some kind of initial suggestion, it might be okay to do you know, a little bit of fill for a car park. Yeah. Well, But I yeah. I would look if if because you I wouldn't be suggesting we put fill out sorry. To make it flood free. I'd I'd be suggesting Yep. to to remove it so that at least some water goes over the top. The other thing Yep. I would probably look at would be like a grate that goes through the car park that helps Yep.","start_word":1825,"end_word":2255,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0421763941172398},{"text":"convey the flows across as That's well, a good idea.","start_word":2256,"end_word":2265,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.453139454126358},{"text":"Yeah. which could Yep. be really easy Yeah. and and would still potentially be safe. So you'd have both sides of the car park being erased, but then, yeah, just like a middle grade that goes you through, captures Yep. most of the flights that normally can get through the site. So I put this Yeah. there's things that you can do. Yep. I mean, without I hadn't thought having of that. the plus of Yeah. these and stuff, it's it's hard for me to tell. And Of this course. is the model that they've given us is the 1%. So I guess Yeah. that that what they haven't given us, climate change. I'm pretty sure this isn't a climate change scenario. Hopefully, it is, but I've Yeah. I don't think it is. No. You're right. I think I think you're right. I think I'm stretching my memory with it, but I I think you're spot on. I think they were basically saying we we haven't done the the climate change modeling, which as you're saying, it's the one in 200 assessment. And and I think they're putting it because I I guess that was the other thing. Like, when the the project team, we kind of forwarded on the CMA advice and they you know, one of the comments is basically how come they're making us by putting the burden on us to do this modeling. But I I think, you know, what I tried to turn around to them in in saying was, well, if you're making a change on your site, that's what you need to model. You need to model, you know, what the issue what the impact is gonna be of your changes to the site as Yep. it currently is. So I think you're right. It's And as you say, yeah, we don't have any velocity information or anything. And, like, there's a little bit of extra info I can send you, but I was just conscious of, you know, not giving you too much if you if you didn't wanna waste your time on it, that kind of thing. But but, obviously, once once you're engaged, we can give you whatever you kinda need that we've got if it helps, and then you can can take it from there, I guess. Yeah. And Yeah. look look, like I said with the I I we'll we'll be able to get their flood model. They they've they've given that to me in the past, so Yeah. I wouldn't be too worried about getting it. Yeah. And it's like in previous experience with them, we've been able to we've been able to find a solution with the two hundred year without having to remodel the whole thing. Because I guess Yeah. the one thing is they are yes. Yes. They are. They'll ask you to do it, but they're also reasonable. Like, they're not gonna tell you you have Yes. to to do a full blood study to figure out what it is. They'll be like, okay. How can we work with you to estimate what it would approximately be? And that's what I would I Yeah. would raise them and say, let's let's go with we'll use this study, but we use the 200 a year for this study, and that's how Yeah. we're gonna go down for climate change. And they've said yes to that. So it just say like, otherwise, that that, you know, you cost a 100 200, $300,000 to do a flood study. They're not gonna do that. Yeah. Good to know. No. And that and that's that's right. Like, that's I mean, as as you know, like, common sense side with a a proposal of this scale, which I don't think I sent you the plans or anything, but it's basically they're proposing a initially, it was a motel with the buildings in the southern extent of the site. Like, pretty much, if you look at that little image I sent, it's pretty much in that what is it? It's actually that it's, like, kind of a south eastern corner of the site on the corner of the straight intersection. Yes. And then where all that blue is is effectively where a car park was proposed. So I I think you're right. Like, because of this the minor scale of the project, the clients I I think you'll have a tipping point where you'll just say, oh, I can't can't afford to to do all, you know, a certain scope of of modeling if that's But as you say, it sounds it sounds relatively positive that, as you say, it serves. C m a will be facilitated or at least try and work with approximations or or the like. If if it's within, I guess, you know, as long as it's not questionable in terms of where the line is. Yeah. And like I we we the way that I like to do my assessment is we do we have a whole a whole point where I'll model the existing Yep. and develop. And if it just looks like there's no chance, then we don't go ahead, Don't but go essentially any further. so the yes. Yes. It is. If you you don't you don't pay for the full assessment, you just pay up to where we've got to, and that's it. Yep. Yeah. Yep. No. That that makes sense. I I think that's the way to go because it's yeah. You know, it's one step at a time, isn't it really? Like, is it worth going to the next step if if the current results are are looking promising and then you go from Exactly. there? So, Exactly. no, that that sounds good. And then the other thing and, again, this is probably something I tried to manage with the client's query because he was asking me the where where he's heading, I think, is he knows he can't probably have well, I say he knows. The the assumption at this point is possibly that they can't have a building in that flood area at ground level because the, and I don't think I mentioned in my email to you, but the floor minimum floor level that CMA required is, I reckon, it's around a meter or so above Yep. the natural ground level, Yep. which obviously isn't a great result architecturally and that type of thing. So where the client was heading with it was potentially he would have a building on stilts. Well, you know, it's probably a rough way of saying it, but, you know, some No. structure in that car park with building above it. But Yeah. then I've you know, my response to it is I'm not an engineer or an architect, and, like, you know, the size of these columns and the amount of them and their location, all of that obviously has an influence on what the impact is of that on the flooding. So he he was trying to work out, could they get away with that? Yeah. Not And a I check. think, yeah, you'd have to no chance did you say? Not Yeah. a problem. No. Yeah. No. Okay.","start_word":2266,"end_word":3475,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.012924173231090396},{"text":"The So CMA the CMA will never approve that.","start_word":3476,"end_word":3484,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4432447552680969},{"text":"yeah. I Okay. I I can I can be a 100%? I can guarantee you that. The way they Yep.","start_word":3485,"end_word":3504,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.08829763531684875},{"text":"any like, the Queensland, New South Wales style, it's just not something that any CMA will be interested in.","start_word":3505,"end_word":3523,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3485635817050934},{"text":"Yeah. Interesting. Okay. So, yeah, it wouldn't it wouldn't matter if the building's like a 1st Floor kind of level in that No. area. It's it's just it's in a flood flood risk zone, and that's that's an issue. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Okay. right. So so Yep. yeah. I mean so especially if it's a residential, Yep. is this I guess this I guess the thing is you'd still have to model it as a block out, so you'd still have to show that it's there. So you'd still see impact. Yes. If it there there might be opportunities to do it if it was if it wasn't a residential development. Yeah. But Okay. Interesting. but if if it's housing people, there's still implications. The problem with Bendigo Creek is that there's just no warning Yep. system, no Like, proper quick warning flooding. system. Yep. It matches through, and that client would know it it does. It'd Yeah. be it'd be Yeah. it it does fine. It Yeah. it it does, There you and go. it does. So Yeah. Good to know. No. Look. That that's that's excellent advice because I think, look, that's I mean, that's big in terms of because I think he his his suggestion to me, and I haven't he hasn't kinda gone any further with it, but he was just kinda saying, oh, we'll just have, yeah, some post or structure in there. But I think he was probably just coming from the point of view of, you know, it being a a structure in the flood area. But as you say, it's the use as well to consider Yes. that. And just from my point of view to clarify, is that regardless like, hypothetically, even if you filled you, you know, if if you took the solution of filling the site to get rid of that flood depth issue, would that Yes. still be the case that they'd still say no, you know, as it stands right now, it's still a flood area. We still don't don't Not support necessarily. it. No. Yeah. Not necessarily because because you've made it so that because it it would be it has it would have to be structurally sound. Right? It would be Yeah. you know, instead of the argument with is sorry. With with on stilts or whatever it is, it means you might be able to be above the flood level, but you can't get Yep. out while you're raising the road. It means that all the area means that you should be able to successfully and safely drive out without driving through floodwaters. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yeah. I get you. Yep. So, basically, So you it's can't kind just of have, two. like, a yeah. Yeah. There's two there's two kind of paths. One is you don't necessarily do all of the fill to prevent the flooding from occurring on your site, and I appreciate that's probably another opening a can of worms in terms of the downstream impact. And and if you sorry. Yeah.","start_word":3524,"end_word":4035,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.027222869802926652},{"text":"So if you don't do the fill, you can't do the buildings above because as you say, there's there's not that safe access and there's a risk because that the site floods quickly.","start_word":4036,"end_word":4068,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.34255141019821167},{"text":"On the flip side, you could fill potentially and have the buildings above because, hypothetically, the floods flooding is no longer gonna occur there because of the raised topography, but the, I guess, the byproduct of that or the the domino effect is that you you might be causing flooding issues downstream that you then need to address. That's right. Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Interesting. Alright. Well, look. Yeah. I mean, that's yeah. It it all that all makes sense to me, to be honest. So I think yeah. It it to me, it sounds like I mean, flooding modeling is gonna be required. It's just gonna depend on do you probably looking for your thoughts on which which way do you go with the modeling as in do you do you try and test putting some fill on the site? And then that allowing potentially some building within that area? Or do you do the alternative of no fill or the limited fill grates and that type of thing, but you can only get a car park or something similar? Yeah. And I feel like that's that's something that we can, like, we can get the existing scenario model, and then we can have that chat before we get down to you know, it's actually designing. Like, we that that can Yep. be through the design and and that discussion. Yeah. Okay. Yep. Yep. That makes K.","start_word":4069,"end_word":4306,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.045140309235816745},{"text":"sense. Awesome. So, yeah, there'll be a choice, basically, like, as in look looking at what the results show you.","start_word":4307,"end_word":4326,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.386254757642746},{"text":"And then it's, yeah, a question of, do you wanna go with a fill fill path and buildings, or do you wanna go with just keeping the car part but making sure you can keep CMA happy in terms of the flood risk? Yep. Yep. Okay. No. Look. That that sounds good to me. Okay. Well, I guess from here then, are you, like, open to what your process usually is, but would you provide something like a fee proposal which kinda just outlines the initial scope? And then I can just link you in with the client, and we'll just see what he wants to do. Yes. Exactly. Yep. Yes. Okay. Exactly. Yes. So Yep. yes. Exactly. So I can give you that type of quote originally, and then we can base it on on that. Exactly. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. No. That sounds good to me. Well, I'll because what I'll do just to kinda keep him and I mean, the other thing, I I think I probably touched on it, but or maybe you didn't. But the and this is always the way I'm sure you probably have it with other projects too. Like, they the client initially did reach out to get advice from the CMA, but it probably wasn't really made clear that he'd have to do some potential modeling on on his Yeah. site.","start_word":4327,"end_word":4555,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0923868864774704},{"text":"So he feels like he's lost time.","start_word":4556,"end_word":4562,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5996053218841553},{"text":"And so it's just one of those ones where I'm just trying to make him feel like there is progress because we also had to Yeah. wait Yeah. a while Yeah. for the CMA to come back. So I think I can in the short term, I can update him now and just say I've had a chat with you. And and without, like, putting words in your mouth, I'll just say say effectively that there should be a way to find a solution for the car parking proposal. Like, if if it's minimal fill, but but obviously just working through that. Yeah. Alternatively Yeah. Managed sorry? bill. It's managed Yeah. Managed bill. fill. That's a good way to put it. Yeah. And and then or alternatively, depending on what the modeling shows, then, you know, there might be an opportunity to consider a building above. But but and I'll just kind of say to him, but either way, you're you're gonna need to do some modeling if you wanna go down this path. That's And right. I'll I'll also just add that commentary to him as well just to say, you know, CMA, that chance of getting their support. If if you're not doing some, you know, design change that effectively removes that flooding risk on the site. And, again, that's gonna come down to some modeling to prove that. That's right. Exactly. Yep. Yeah. Yes. Cool.","start_word":4563,"end_word":4800,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.050232697278261185},{"text":"Okay. Awesome. That that sounds good. Awesome.","start_word":4801,"end_word":4807,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5504728555679321},{"text":"Alright. Yeah. Well, Thanks, I'll I'll Alex. put you on file, and, yeah, we'll we'll we can go from there. Yeah. No. Perfect. No. That sounds good. Just I'm sure, like, what I can do once you send the the proposal through as well, I can always come back with any questions. But I Yes, guess please. in Yes. in the in the if if it wasn't going to be the case, if there's any ability for you to kind of put some time frames around, you know, how long it takes you to do the work at your end, that'll that'll Oh, yeah. just Yeah. help Easy. as well. Yep. Yeah. Just Yeah. just per I'm pretty his detailed expectations. with that. Yeah. Yeah.","start_word":4808,"end_word":4932,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.14330869817733766},{"text":"I'm pretty detailed Nice. with that.","start_word":4933,"end_word":4938,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.46599602699279785},{"text":"So yeah. Yep. And and just No. come I back figured to me and so. let me know. I'm so sorry. Yeah. I gotta jump off right again. No. That's Easy. okay. No. Thanks, Alex. No. That's Alright, no. mate. Very I'll see I'll send it through you. Look. It might be tomorrow or that's Thursday at latest. fine. Okay. No.","start_word":4939,"end_word":4999,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0044799731113016605},{"text":"Awesome. Much much appreciated. Thanks for the time, Alex, and we'll keep No in worries.","start_word":5000,"end_word":5014,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.43803223967552185},{"text":"touch.","start_word":5015,"end_word":5015,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.3012322187423706},{"text":"Perfect.","start_word":5016,"end_word":5016,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4723586440086365},{"text":"Bye bye.","start_word":5017,"end_word":5018,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.28410130739212036},{"text":"Right Cheers.","start_word":5019,"end_word":5020,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.377575010061264},{"text":"then. Thanks, Bye. Alex. Cheers. Bye.","start_word":5021,"end_word":5026,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.25930899381637573}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.000050722361776904387}}}}