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We've been speaking a fair bit about what we could do. So, essentially, yes. We we tested it. We dropped the we dropped the levels. Unfortunately, there was still a fair bit of impact. So what we did was we tried to realign the modeling so that it would flow through the area a little bit better. And it look it looks slightly better, but the the thing is so I think there's stuff that we could do for the first two dwellings. I think if we reduce levels a little bit more or allowed or just, like, change the footprint slightly, I think we can probably get away with the first two. The dwelling at the rear, I just I with how big it is, the proposed footprint, I just can't see that ever getting approved based on the the offside impact largely. Yep. That's right. Yeah. Because, look, there's there's higher flood depths, but typically, I've been able to argue with council that, you know, these the flood depths last for a very short amount of time, and we can just build above them. So there's and they also occur in the backyard, which means that, ideally, people aren't going into the backyard to get out of a flood. And so that's why you can typically argue that, yes, look, their access is fine. The the it's just the off-site. And the off-site is pretty significant. It's not just a couple of mil. We're talking like I think it was up to 30 mil. Thirty thirty centimeters to 300 mil off-site that was increasing. It it's yeah. So it's in the backyard of the property to the north. Yeah. Well, we look. If we for the for the dwelling at the rear, if you cut the footprint in half, there might be a chance to get it approved. The dwelling at the front the two dwellings at the front, if you cut them by a little bit, that'd that'd be a lot better. I I don't we could also test it just, like, you know, different levels to see if we can get around not cutting the front too. But the rear one, because it extends into it's almost like it's a it's a pretty defined flow path at the at the rear of the property. It it because it extends into that, it blocks it, and then it just pushes it everywhere. So it's not just the property to the north. It's this property to the east to the it's it's basically every property it impacts. So yeah. Look. There is possible because it's because it's all one level, if you build up, there is a possibility to get an approval for that dwelling by reducing the footprint pretty substantially, but it would it would need, yeah, it would need a bit of iteration. I wouldn't that's right. We'd still need to go to stage two. I'd I'd still expect us to need to do mitigation. Yep. Yes. Right. And then stage three is reporting. That's right. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's where we start doing yeah. We start doing the tests. But I don't the we there's three options. The sorry. Three scenarios with those tests, and I don't like to typically have to quote or do variations. So what I'd like to do now is to try and get the development as close as it can without needing mitigation and then try and finish it off with mitigation. So I guess the reason why I've come back well, the reason why we've come back and said the dwelling at the rear is gonna be really difficult is because I I just at the moment, if we lift everything exactly the way we it is, I can't see us reducing the level enough to to get no impact, especially from the one at the Yeah. The well, before, based on the, extent they gave us, it didn't look like it was a significant like, it didn't look like it was a significant flow that was coming through it. There's just a lot more water than what we anticipated. That's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. And then, yeah, we we they obviously never gave us the the the sorry, the duration of the flow and the actual flow rate. And then once they've stipulated that, we we're able to look at it and say, okay. You know, this is well, we're sorry. Once we actually ran it, then we were able to say, yes. There is a fair bit of water coming through, and we wouldn't have known until after we've we've run it. Oh, I yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I completely appreciate that. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. No. Exactly. And that's right. And and also, I guess the thing is, which you probably can reiterate, is that we we can we can say we can we can test things, but not until we've actually run the model. Can we have a definitive yes or no? And that's always, I guess, been the case. So we we've got a definitive one, and, unfortunately, it's it's not as positive as what we'd hoped. And, yeah, it it's yeah. I guess this is unfortunately part of the process. It's it's a pretty frustrating part of the process, but it is part of the process. Yeah. So they they building overlay. Yeah. Okay. So they they when they design a a special building overlay, it's typically based on depth. And so the flood depth at the rear of the dwelling sorry, of the property is is quite a lot higher, and so that's where they've categorically defined it. But the actual flood model that they've given us has three different flow paths. There's one along the road, there's one along the rear of the dwelling, and there's one in between the through the middle. And so what's happening is each of the flow paths are hitting each of the houses, like, depending on the location, and then getting pushed back up to stream. That's right. That's right. That's right. And and the one that's the what I'm sorry. It's the worst is the one with the special building overlay. It's the it's the biggest one. Well yeah. Look. It would be classified as a special building overlay if it was actually in the playing scheme. That's right. That's how they'll assess it. If if you I'm sorry. If you just kept with the first two, I think we'd be able to do mitigation to lower the levels without changing the footprints significantly. How it but but if if no. No. Sorry. No. No. Just just for one and two. So if you got rid of three altogether, one and two, we could do mitigation to reduce impacts for sure. With with three, three takes up obviously a lot of the storage capacity that we could potentially use to mitigate the one and two. So it means that we're we we slowly so we run out of space essentially with number three to mitigate for the first two. And then we're also the third one also obviously significantly impacts the properties around it. And so it not only restricts the mitigation potential for the other two, but it also creates a lot more of an issue. Oh, sorry. There's no. So there's there's one event, but the three so the the they gave us there's there's three flooding events. So there's there's a twenty five minute flood, a nine a sixty minute flood, and a ninety minute flood. We had to run all three in order to see what the existing condition is. All three have three different flow paths coming through it, and so that's based on the topography. Well, sorry. It's we determined that it's I think it's a twenty five minute one. Is it the twenty five minute one, Maddie? That's yeah. So the critical one is the twenty five minutes. So we've ignored the other two because we can if we if we meet the critical, then that's realistically the biggest issue. I think it was look. I think it actually the twenty twenty five minute is the critical at the rear, and then there's a sixty minute that's the critical at the front. And so we we don't meet any of them, I guess, is the short answer is we don't meet any of them because of the size of the footprints. So irrespective of the event, the of the duration, it's still gonna impact it. But I guess, yeah, it doesn't even matter which one we would we would go with the critical, and that's what we would assess and and and put forward to council. And so if we can't meet the critical, there's no point assessing the others. No. No. No. All good. Any yeah. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Please. And look, I'm happy to speak to them as well if that if that's easier for you, but, you know, whatever's easier. Yep. Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep. I think I'd be lying if I said, yeah, I think I'd be lying if I said there was, to be honest with you, and the the reason is because of that tree. So if otherwise, I would say we can move the footprint further to the south, But because that tree we can't remove that tree, it means that we can't use that space. And and although I called the arborist quite a few times, my experience is you can't do much more than a 150 mil around the tree, and even a 100 and 50 mil is probably pushing it. And so I I like, I just can't see honestly, if if he was gonna abandon, I probably if if he's nervous about the redesign, I would probably abandon it as well because I can't see that last one working without a significant reduction in footprint, which which probably would be a two story list. Yeah. Let's be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Look. Typically, we we like, Melbourne Water would tell you three to four meters. I don't think that that would be enough. Although in saying that, if we get the flow if it was three meters back because at the moment, it's like a meter and a half, two meters. It's pretty short. Well, it would be yeah. Sorry. North Western is definitely what I meant. Sorry. Yeah. So it it'd be I think you'd need at least three off that boundary, and then I'd I'd probably add an extra couple meters off the the northern boundary as well. So it'd be it'd be a fair it'd be a fair bit further north. Sorry. South. The footprint would be a fair bit further south. I would say six, but I would say six, but I would also say that we would because of the difficulties, we would throw in a concept design free of charge before you do a proper design. So, like, we we yeah. We like, the yeah. Yep. I guess that's that's that's that's all I can say with that. Look, to be honest, the first two have barely it's got very little impact. It's real it's it's realistically the last one. So I think yeah. Like I said, I think we can get away with one and two, but number three, it's it's not it's not close. I guess it's the problem. It's not really close. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yes. Yeah. Look. I I mean, yeah, three wheels would be great. And then from the south, where if you can get up to five, that would also be very good. It might be. Yeah. But I guess before you do, like, a detailed design, I would probably sorry. Push you to say, actually, just let me see if it concepts so that it doesn't cost the client any extra money. And then if it does yeah. I I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy to throw in a test for him just to just to see. And and and yeah. Because I guess, you know, ideally, we want this to work. So, yeah, that's that's I'm happy to do that because yeah. Well, I I guess, at the moment, he's got up to we've finished stage one, so we'll end up sending out the invoice for stage one today probably. And then I don't want him to be left on alert, so I'm happy to try it. If it if it works, great. If it doesn't, then we'll have to figure out we'll have to have another chat. But at least he can feel confident that he's not just being thrown to the wolves, I guess, and we are trying. That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Great. Yeah. Easy. Easy. Yeah. Perfect. Sounds good. Do no. No. It's all good, Matt. Sorry about the back and forth. I I yeah. Sometimes it yeah. I don't know. At the end of the day, but I was trying to say, do do you have a I mean, maybe you don't wanna give it out, and that's absolutely fine. But a mobile number might help for next time. If if not, it's all good. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yours. I'm sorry. Because I called the mobile the the IRS quite a few times, and they never picked up. Oh, okay. Okay. No worries. Easy. Alright. Sounds good. Thanks, man. Cheers. 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I got you. There you go. You you started talking. You got to I spoke to Maddie, and then that was it.\n\nOh, god. Okay. Alright. So I so, anyway, I I'm I'm aware of what what she spoke to. We've been speaking a fair bit about what we could do.\n\nSo, essentially, yes. We we tested it. We dropped the we dropped the levels. Unfortunately, there was still a fair bit of impact. So what we did was we tried to realign the modeling so that it would flow through the area a little bit better.\n\nAnd it look it looks slightly better, but the the thing is so I think there's stuff that we could do for the first two dwellings. I think if we reduce levels a little bit more or allowed or just, like, change the footprint slightly, I think we can probably get away with the first two. The dwelling at the rear, I just I with how big it is, the proposed footprint, I just can't see that ever getting approved based on the the offside impact largely. Yep. That's right.\n\nYeah. Because, look, there's there's higher flood depths, but typically, I've been able to argue with council that, you know, these the flood depths last for a very short amount of time, and we can just build above them. So there's and they also occur in the backyard, which means that, ideally, people aren't going into the backyard to get out of a flood. And so that's why you can typically argue that, yes, look, their access is fine. The the it's just the off-site.\n\nAnd the off-site is pretty significant. It's not just a couple of mil. We're talking like I think it was up to 30 mil. Thirty thirty centimeters to 300 mil off-site that was increasing. It it's yeah.\n\nSo it's in the backyard of the property to the north. Yeah. Well, we look. If we for the for the dwelling at the rear, if you cut the footprint in half, there might be a chance to get it approved. The dwelling at the front the two dwellings at the front, if you cut them by a little bit, that'd that'd be a lot better.\n\nI I don't we could also test it just, like, you know, different levels to see if we can get around not cutting the front too. But the rear one, because it extends into it's almost like it's a it's a pretty defined flow path at the at the rear of the property. It it because it extends into that, it blocks it, and then it just pushes it everywhere. So it's not just the property to the north. It's this property to the east to the it's it's basically every property it impacts.\n\nSo yeah. Look. There is possible because it's because it's all one level, if you build up, there is a possibility to get an approval for that dwelling by reducing the footprint pretty substantially, but it would it would need, yeah, it would need a bit of iteration. I wouldn't that's right. We'd still need to go to stage two.\n\nI'd I'd still expect us to need to do mitigation. Yep. Yes. Right. And then stage three is reporting.\n\nThat's right. Absolutely. Yeah. So that's where we start doing yeah. We start doing the tests.\n\nBut I don't the we there's three options. The sorry. Three scenarios with those tests, and I don't like to typically have to quote or do variations. So what I'd like to do now is to try and get the development as close as it can without needing mitigation and then try and finish it off with mitigation. So I guess the reason why I've come back well, the reason why we've come back and said the dwelling at the rear is gonna be really difficult is because I I just at the moment, if we lift everything exactly the way we it is, I can't see us reducing the level enough to to get no impact, especially from the one at the Yeah.\n\nThe well, before, based on the, extent they gave us, it didn't look like it was a significant like, it didn't look like it was a significant flow that was coming through it. There's just a lot more water than what we anticipated. That's right. That's right. That's right.\n\nThat's right. And then, yeah, we we they obviously never gave us the the the sorry, the duration of the flow and the actual flow rate. And then once they've stipulated that, we we're able to look at it and say, okay. You know, this is well, we're sorry. Once we actually ran it, then we were able to say, yes.\n\nThere is a fair bit of water coming through, and we wouldn't have known until after we've we've run it. Oh, I yeah. I appreciate it. Yeah. Oh, yeah.\n\nI completely appreciate that. Yeah. That makes sense. Yeah. No.\n\nExactly. And that's right. And and also, I guess the thing is, which you probably can reiterate, is that we we can we can say we can we can test things, but not until we've actually run the model. Can we have a definitive yes or no? And that's always, I guess, been the case.\n\nSo we we've got a definitive one, and, unfortunately, it's it's not as positive as what we'd hoped. And, yeah, it it's yeah. I guess this is unfortunately part of the process. It's it's a pretty frustrating part of the process, but it is part of the process. Yeah.\n\nSo they they building overlay. Yeah. Okay. So they they when they design a a special building overlay, it's typically based on depth. And so the flood depth at the rear of the dwelling sorry, of the property is is quite a lot higher, and so that's where they've categorically defined it.\n\nBut the actual flood model that they've given us has three different flow paths. There's one along the road, there's one along the rear of the dwelling, and there's one in between the through the middle. And so what's happening is each of the flow paths are hitting each of the houses, like, depending on the location, and then getting pushed back up to stream. That's right. That's right.\n\nThat's right. And and the one that's the what I'm sorry. It's the worst is the one with the special building overlay. It's the it's the biggest one. Well yeah.\n\nLook. It would be classified as a special building overlay if it was actually in the playing scheme. That's right. That's how they'll assess it. If if you I'm sorry.\n\nIf you just kept with the first two, I think we'd be able to do mitigation to lower the levels without changing the footprints significantly. How it but but if if no. No. Sorry. No.\n\nNo. Just just for one and two. So if you got rid of three altogether, one and two, we could do mitigation to reduce impacts for sure. With with three, three takes up obviously a lot of the storage capacity that we could potentially use to mitigate the one and two. So it means that we're we we slowly so we run out of space essentially with number three to mitigate for the first two.\n\nAnd then we're also the third one also obviously significantly impacts the properties around it. And so it not only restricts the mitigation potential for the other two, but it also creates a lot more of an issue. Oh, sorry. There's no. So there's there's one event, but the three so the the they gave us there's there's three flooding events.\n\nSo there's there's a twenty five minute flood, a nine a sixty minute flood, and a ninety minute flood. We had to run all three in order to see what the existing condition is. All three have three different flow paths coming through it, and so that's based on the topography. Well, sorry. It's we determined that it's I think it's a twenty five minute one.\n\nIs it the twenty five minute one, Maddie? That's yeah. So the critical one is the twenty five minutes. So we've ignored the other two because we can if we if we meet the critical, then that's realistically the biggest issue. I think it was look.\n\nI think it actually the twenty twenty five minute is the critical at the rear, and then there's a sixty minute that's the critical at the front. And so we we don't meet any of them, I guess, is the short answer is we don't meet any of them because of the size of the footprints. So irrespective of the event, the of the duration, it's still gonna impact it. But I guess, yeah, it doesn't even matter which one we would we would go with the critical, and that's what we would assess and and and put forward to council. And so if we can't meet the critical, there's no point assessing the others.\n\nNo. No. No. All good. Any yeah.\n\nYeah. Please. Yeah. Please. And look, I'm happy to speak to them as well if that if that's easier for you, but, you know, whatever's easier.\n\nYep. Okay. Okay. Yep. Yep.\n\nI think I'd be lying if I said, yeah, I think I'd be lying if I said there was, to be honest with you, and the the reason is because of that tree. So if otherwise, I would say we can move the footprint further to the south, But because that tree we can't remove that tree, it means that we can't use that space. And and although I called the arborist quite a few times, my experience is you can't do much more than a 150 mil around the tree, and even a 100 and 50 mil is probably pushing it. And so I I like, I just can't see honestly, if if he was gonna abandon, I probably if if he's nervous about the redesign, I would probably abandon it as well because I can't see that last one working without a significant reduction in footprint, which which probably would be a two story list. Yeah.\n\nLet's be honest. Yeah. Yeah. Look. Typically, we we like, Melbourne Water would tell you three to four meters.\n\nI don't think that that would be enough. Although in saying that, if we get the flow if it was three meters back because at the moment, it's like a meter and a half, two meters. It's pretty short. Well, it would be yeah. Sorry.\n\nNorth Western is definitely what I meant. Sorry. Yeah. So it it'd be I think you'd need at least three off that boundary, and then I'd I'd probably add an extra couple meters off the the northern boundary as well. So it'd be it'd be a fair it'd be a fair bit further north.\n\nSorry. South. The footprint would be a fair bit further south. I would say six, but I would say six, but I would also say that we would because of the difficulties, we would throw in a concept design free of charge before you do a proper design. So, like, we we yeah.\n\nWe like, the yeah. Yep. I guess that's that's that's that's all I can say with that. Look, to be honest, the first two have barely it's got very little impact. It's real it's it's realistically the last one.\n\nSo I think yeah. Like I said, I think we can get away with one and two, but number three, it's it's not it's not close. I guess it's the problem. It's not really close. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Great. Yes. Yeah. Look.\n\nI I mean, yeah, three wheels would be great. And then from the south, where if you can get up to five, that would also be very good. It might be. Yeah. But I guess before you do, like, a detailed design, I would probably sorry.\n\nPush you to say, actually, just let me see if it concepts so that it doesn't cost the client any extra money. And then if it does yeah. I I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy to throw in a test for him just to just to see. And and and yeah. Because I guess, you know, ideally, we want this to work.\n\nSo, yeah, that's that's I'm happy to do that because yeah. Well, I I guess, at the moment, he's got up to we've finished stage one, so we'll end up sending out the invoice for stage one today probably. And then I don't want him to be left on alert, so I'm happy to try it. 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K. I I was there was very loud hold music. I'm I'm not sure if you accidentally pressed the button or something like that, but it it sounded like hold music technology. Yep. Yep. Yep. Okay. Mhmm. Yep. Mhmm. Yep. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. Because you I've got your your previous email here with the the green light orange light stuff up here. And, yeah, the off-site impacts is the thing we flag as the the the largest issue that we face. Yep. Mhmm. Okay. And that is in the backyard, specifically the 300 mil where it's the worst? Yep. Yeah. Unit 3 backyard. Okay. And so you you you believe that the changes to the footprint won't be wouldn't be while changes to footprint of Unit 1 And 2 should be enough to get that in the off-site impact there along the northwestern boundary to to an acceptable level. You don't take the footprint for you can either move the dwellings, is it? Yep. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Mhmm. Mhmm. And yeah. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay. So even if it went to two story, you think there's what is that? It would it would still be? Okay. And so stage two when you when you because I can't recall the details of the the first one right now. So stage stage one, I I use this initial assessment. Stage two is how we can mitigate the proposal. Okay. And so stage two when we deal with I remember when we when we initially spoke, you talk about you talk you spoke about buns and stuff like that to retain on-site. Those those mitigation methods? Mhmm. With mitigation methods. Okay. And so what because I when we when we initially spoke about this project before we engaged, you seem quite confident that the proposal could be supported without significant redesign. So why did you think that before and what do you think and what's changed? So the when they so based on based on the FAI, you expected a low volume of water to be involved. But when they sent through that data data that they didn't initially give you, that's where that's where it's become clear the volume is involved. Mhmm. Okay. Yeah. I I understand that often the client, our customers questions are a little bit of how long is a piece of string in the in terms of you need to do some of the some of the work in order to to understand that. But I also need to be able to if we're talking about significant design changes, I need to be able to represent the client needs to be able to understand why the yep. So it's if we if I were to if we were to explain it to the client, then it would be that the calculations, volumes, all those sort of words, we're we're not. They didn't they the council didn't give enough data to start with. And when they did give the data, it was outside typical things. Mhmm. Yes. Yes. Yes. K. And so it's I was could you also as somewhat of a layman, could you explain why the the flow path that council that council gives us is all about the flow path at the bottom at the at the bottom of the site outside of the footprint of Unit 1 And 2 that the that the modeling is talking about. So the the the modeling modeling is at the whole site and flooding from around Unit 1 and Unit 2 impacting the others. It just surprises me that the the trigger point is this flooding overlay from, I think, the property information certificate, but that area is only over the rear of the site, but the rest of the site is also because we we've had special book. Yeah. Yes. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay. Mhmm. Okay. So the the the the one that's in the FIR that shows the shows the flooding area over the back of the site is one of three, and they've provided you all three, which goes over the rest of the site as well. Okay. Mhmm. Okay. Especially I because I when I was saying specifically building overlay, I was thinking about a a site we've done previously that had some some flooding involved. But I I okay. So it's similar to an s to a special building overlay despite there not being that overlay on this property. You've Okay. Is there if so the the with with each of those three sets of data set to do to do with flood to do with flooding on this property, do would we comply with any of the three three with some changes to Unit 1 and Unit 2? Or is it all three of them that we that we have issues that we have issues with because of the Unit 3 location? Yeah. Okay. For all three? Okay. Mhmm. Yes. Mhmm. Okay. Yep. When I when I said one, two, and three in that instance is I was you you said there are three types of flooding data that you've been provided by Maroondah, like, at the front of the site? Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. Mhmm. Okay. Yep. So that that that is the the three types involved. And in each of them, do we is it do do we notionally fail in all three of them, or is it, like, the the ninety minute one and the sixty minute one that we fail in? Mhmm. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just yeah. Thank you. I'm just trying to grasp the the the the specifics involved. I understand there's a lot of specialization. Yep. So I I I may because his name's Neil Mcdonald. He's done a lot done a fair few of developments over the years and a fair a fair few with us. He tends to be someone that is quite fit on the outcome that he's that he's hoping to achieve. If there's significant design change, he he may abandon the project altogether. So I'm just looking to understand all the all the factors in play, and he will probably wanna speak to you, sir, directly to he he's pretty good at putting the pieces together, like, where whatever reason we like working with him is that he can grasp the the details when you explain them, and and he's quite logical about the about the outcomes. Is there anything in terms of in terms of the issues with unit three? Are there any other design changes besides pretty much turning it into a two story that are likely to get us close enough to mitigation methods being sufficient to to get us there? So any any sort of design changes. Okay. Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Mhmm. Okay. Which could potentially be changing to a to a two story configuration. He yeah. Okay. Because we did he did originally have a lot of conversations himself directly with the council office about getting that removed. I've reached out to the I've I've managed to get onto the or myself, and he's he's confirmed pretty much what you're pretty much what you're saying. I was hoping there might be some door to knock on, but there but there isn't. We're looking into the other the other option is the client drops over $4 on a rude investigation to see to confirm whether there is any more that we could push the footprint further to further towards the to the South. Should if the if the client was to get a rude investigation and it revealed that we could move a significant amount of the footprint further towards the South, how much for for because, obviously, it's another significant expense for the client. How realistically, how much would we need to move that house? Obviously, it's a little bit of how long is a piece of string, but, realistically, how much do you reckon? We would have to move that house towards the front of the site for it to be worthwhile. Like you said, we need we'd potentially need to go double story if the house house was to be retained. What what sort of reasset back from, like, entire reset back should we be aiming for if the client considers doing that rude investigation or going double story? Mhmm. Mhmm. Are we are we talking about off are we talking about off of the northwestern boundary as well? Because we're about 3.5 off the rear boundary and five and five point two in in in the corner. Okay. Yeah. K. So if if we use the building design team have a have a look at what we can do in terms of in terms of redesigning the footprint as as part as part of what comes next, you'd say roughly three to four meters off the northwestern boundary, and it's about 3.5 off the the rear north boundary at the moment. Would you say five meters off, six meters off? What sort of ballpark should we look at if we're gonna redesign the footprint? Mhmm. Okay. Thank you. I appreciate that. Mhmm. Yep. Yes. So should the client I'll have a conversation with the client. They might reach out to you to understand the the stuff about mitigation methods as stage two in that. But when we look at redesigning unit three unit 3 to to help us get there so that mitigation methods would be within reach as a as a solution for unit 3 with design changes, We should be aiming to reduce unit three's northwestern setback to or increase it rather to around three meters or four meters. And the okay. Yep. So if we get the if we get it in those ballparks, mitigation methods might become possible. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Mhmm. Yes. That that he yeah. That he's reassured that you are on his so he's reassured that you are on his side, and we're all trying to find a a solution. Okay. I'll have a chat with the the the rest of my the rest of my team today and and then with the and then with the client, and and then we'll reach we'll reach out to you about the what we think we could what we think we can do and maybe and maybe at that point, the the running of that example of three and five meter setbacks. We'll see how much we'll we'll see what we can do in terms of amending the design to keep it single story, to be three things that we set on single story. And, yeah, hopefully, we can you might be amenable to turning one of them double story or having one of them have a a lower footprint. Yeah. So we'll I'll I'll I'll we'll be in touch shortly about that. Okay. Okay. Thank you for your time, Alex. Appreciate it. So so my my number or for the Everest? Yep. That is that's their number. My number is we have one central office number, and then it it comes through Julie allocated platform forwards it down to my extension. Yep. So I will be in touch shortly afterwards. 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K. I I was there was very loud hold music. I'm I'm not sure if you accidentally pressed the button or something like that, but it it sounded like hold music technology. Yep.\n\nYep. Yep. Okay. Mhmm. Yep.\n\nMhmm. Yep. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay.\n\nYeah. Because you I've got your your previous email here with the the green light orange light stuff up here. And, yeah, the off-site impacts is the thing we flag as the the the largest issue that we face. Yep. Mhmm.\n\nOkay. And that is in the backyard, specifically the 300 mil where it's the worst? Yep. Yeah. Unit 3 backyard.\n\nOkay. And so you you you believe that the changes to the footprint won't be wouldn't be while changes to footprint of Unit 1 And 2 should be enough to get that in the off-site impact there along the northwestern boundary to to an acceptable level. You don't take the footprint for you can either move the dwellings, is it? Yep. Mhmm.\n\nMhmm. Yes. Mhmm. Mhmm. And yeah.\n\nMhmm. Mhmm. Okay. So even if it went to two story, you think there's what is that? It would it would still be?\n\nOkay. And so stage two when you when you because I can't recall the details of the the first one right now. So stage stage one, I I use this initial assessment. Stage two is how we can mitigate the proposal. Okay.\n\nAnd so stage two when we deal with I remember when we when we initially spoke, you talk about you talk you spoke about buns and stuff like that to retain on-site. Those those mitigation methods? Mhmm. With mitigation methods. Okay.\n\nAnd so what because I when we when we initially spoke about this project before we engaged, you seem quite confident that the proposal could be supported without significant redesign. So why did you think that before and what do you think and what's changed? So the when they so based on based on the FAI, you expected a low volume of water to be involved. But when they sent through that data data that they didn't initially give you, that's where that's where it's become clear the volume is involved. Mhmm.\n\nOkay. Yeah. I I understand that often the client, our customers questions are a little bit of how long is a piece of string in the in terms of you need to do some of the some of the work in order to to understand that. But I also need to be able to if we're talking about significant design changes, I need to be able to represent the client needs to be able to understand why the yep. So it's if we if I were to if we were to explain it to the client, then it would be that the calculations, volumes, all those sort of words, we're we're not.\n\nThey didn't they the council didn't give enough data to start with. And when they did give the data, it was outside typical things. Mhmm. Yes. Yes.\n\nYes. K. And so it's I was could you also as somewhat of a layman, could you explain why the the flow path that council that council gives us is all about the flow path at the bottom at the at the bottom of the site outside of the footprint of Unit 1 And 2 that the that the modeling is talking about. So the the the modeling modeling is at the whole site and flooding from around Unit 1 and Unit 2 impacting the others. It just surprises me that the the trigger point is this flooding overlay from, I think, the property information certificate, but that area is only over the rear of the site, but the rest of the site is also because we we've had special book.\n\nYeah. Yes. Mhmm. Mhmm. Okay.\n\nMhmm. Okay. So the the the the one that's in the FIR that shows the shows the flooding area over the back of the site is one of three, and they've provided you all three, which goes over the rest of the site as well. Okay. Mhmm.\n\nOkay. Especially I because I when I was saying specifically building overlay, I was thinking about a a site we've done previously that had some some flooding involved. But I I okay. So it's similar to an s to a special building overlay despite there not being that overlay on this property. You've Okay.\n\nIs there if so the the with with each of those three sets of data set to do to do with flood to do with flooding on this property, do would we comply with any of the three three with some changes to Unit 1 and Unit 2? Or is it all three of them that we that we have issues that we have issues with because of the Unit 3 location? Yeah. Okay. For all three?\n\nOkay. Mhmm. Yes. Mhmm. Okay.\n\nYep. When I when I said one, two, and three in that instance is I was you you said there are three types of flooding data that you've been provided by Maroondah, like, at the front of the site? Yep. Mhmm. Yeah.\n\nMhmm. Okay. Yep. So that that that is the the three types involved. And in each of them, do we is it do do we notionally fail in all three of them, or is it, like, the the ninety minute one and the sixty minute one that we fail in?\n\nMhmm. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yep.\n\nOkay. Yeah. Okay. Just yeah. Thank you.\n\nI'm just trying to grasp the the the the specifics involved. I understand there's a lot of specialization. Yep. So I I I may because his name's Neil Mcdonald. He's done a lot done a fair few of developments over the years and a fair a fair few with us.\n\nHe tends to be someone that is quite fit on the outcome that he's that he's hoping to achieve. If there's significant design change, he he may abandon the project altogether. So I'm just looking to understand all the all the factors in play, and he will probably wanna speak to you, sir, directly to he he's pretty good at putting the pieces together, like, where whatever reason we like working with him is that he can grasp the the details when you explain them, and and he's quite logical about the about the outcomes. Is there anything in terms of in terms of the issues with unit three? Are there any other design changes besides pretty much turning it into a two story that are likely to get us close enough to mitigation methods being sufficient to to get us there?\n\nSo any any sort of design changes. Okay. Yep. Mhmm. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Mhmm. Okay. Which could potentially be changing to a to a two story configuration. He yeah.\n\nOkay. Because we did he did originally have a lot of conversations himself directly with the council office about getting that removed. I've reached out to the I've I've managed to get onto the or myself, and he's he's confirmed pretty much what you're pretty much what you're saying. I was hoping there might be some door to knock on, but there but there isn't. We're looking into the other the other option is the client drops over $4 on a rude investigation to see to confirm whether there is any more that we could push the footprint further to further towards the to the South.\n\nShould if the if the client was to get a rude investigation and it revealed that we could move a significant amount of the footprint further towards the South, how much for for because, obviously, it's another significant expense for the client. How realistically, how much would we need to move that house? Obviously, it's a little bit of how long is a piece of string, but, realistically, how much do you reckon? We would have to move that house towards the front of the site for it to be worthwhile. 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There you go. You you started talking. You got\n\nChannel 1: K.\n\nChannel 0: to I spoke to Maddie, and then that was it.\n\nChannel 1: I I was there was very loud hold music. I'm I'm not sure if you accidentally pressed the button or something like that, but it it sounded like hold music\n\nChannel 0: Oh, god. Okay. Alright.\n\nChannel 1: technology.\n\nChannel 0: So I so, anyway, I I'm I'm\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: aware of what what she spoke to. We've been speaking a\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: fair bit about what we could do. So,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: essentially, yes. We we tested it. We dropped the we dropped the levels. Unfortunately, there was still a fair bit of impact. So what we did was we tried to realign the modeling so that it would flow through the area a little bit better.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: And it look it looks slightly better,\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: but the the thing is so I think there's stuff that we could do for the first two dwellings. I think if we reduce\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: levels a little bit more or allowed or just, like, change\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: the footprint slightly, I think we can probably get away with the first two. The\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: dwelling at the rear, I just\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: I with how big it is, the proposed\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: footprint, I just can't see that ever getting approved based on the the offside impact largely.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Yeah. Because you I've got your your previous email here with the the green light orange light stuff up here. And, yeah, the off-site impacts is the thing we flag as the the the largest issue that we face.\n\nChannel 0: Yep. That's right. Yeah. Because, look, there's there's higher flood depths, but typically, I've been able to argue with council that, you know, these the flood depths last for a very short amount of time, and we can just build above them. So there's and they also occur in the backyard, which means that, ideally, people aren't going into the backyard to get out of a flood.\n\nAnd so\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: that's why you can typically argue that, yes, look, their access is fine.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: The the it's just the off-site. And the off-site is pretty significant. It's not just a couple of mil. We're talking like I think it was up to 30 mil. Thirty thirty centimeters to 300 mil off-site that was increasing.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. And that is in the backyard, specifically the 300 mil where it's the worst?\n\nChannel 0: It it's yeah. So it's in the backyard of the property to the north.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Yeah. Unit 3 backyard.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. And so you you you believe that the changes to the footprint won't be wouldn't be while changes to footprint of Unit 1 And 2 should be enough to get that in the off-site impact there along the northwestern boundary to to an acceptable level. You don't take the footprint for you can either move the dwellings, is it?\n\nChannel 0: Well, we look. If we for the for the dwelling at the rear, if you cut the\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: footprint in half, there might be a chance to get it approved.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: The dwelling at the front the two dwellings at the front, if you cut them by a little bit, that'd that'd be a lot better. I I don't we could also test it just, like, you know, different levels to see if we can get around not cutting the front too. But the rear one,\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: because it extends into it's almost like it's a it's a pretty defined flow path at the at the rear of the property. It it\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: because it extends into that, it blocks it, and then it just pushes it everywhere. So it's not just the property to the north. It's this property to the east to the it's it's basically every property it impacts.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Mhmm. And\n\nChannel 0: So yeah. Look. There\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: is possible because it's because it's all one level, if you build up, there is a possibility to get an approval for that dwelling\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: by reducing the footprint pretty substantially, but it would it would need, yeah, it would need a bit of iteration.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Okay. So even if it went to two story, you think there's what is that? It would it would\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: still\n\nChannel 0: wouldn't\n\nChannel 1: be?\n\nChannel 0: that's right. We'd still need to go to stage two. I'd I'd still expect us to need to do mitigation.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. And so stage two when you when you because I can't recall the details of the the first one right now.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: So stage stage one, I I use this initial assessment. Stage two is how we can mitigate the proposal.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Right. And then stage three is reporting.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. And so stage two when we deal with I remember when we when we initially spoke, you talk about you talk you spoke about buns and stuff like that\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: to\n\nChannel 0: right.\n\nChannel 1: retain on-site. Those those mitigation methods?\n\nChannel 0: Absolutely. Yeah. So that's where we start doing yeah. We start doing the tests. But I don't the we there's three options.\n\nThe sorry. Three scenarios with those tests, and I don't like to typically have to quote or do variations. So what I'd like to do now is to try and get the development as close as it can without needing mitigation and then try and finish it off with mitigation. So I guess the reason why I've come back well, the reason why we've come back and said the dwelling at the rear is gonna be really difficult is because I I just at the moment, if we lift everything exactly the way we it is, I can't see\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: us reducing the level enough to to get no impact, especially from the one at the\n\nChannel 1: With mitigation methods.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. And so what because I when we when we initially spoke about this project before we engaged, you seem quite confident that the proposal could be supported without significant redesign. 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So the the the the one that's in the FIR that shows the shows the flooding area over the back of the site is one of three, and they've provided you all three, which goes over\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: the rest\n\nChannel 0: right.\n\nChannel 1: of the site as well. Okay.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. That's right. And and the one that's the what I'm sorry. It's the worst is the one\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: with the special building overlay. It's the it's the biggest one.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Especially I because I when I was saying specifically building overlay, I was thinking about a a site we've done previously that had some some flooding involved. But\n\nChannel 0: Well yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: Look.\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: It would be classified as a special building overlay if it was actually in the playing scheme.\n\nChannel 1: okay. So it's similar to an s to a special building overlay despite there not being that overlay on this property.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. That's how they'll\n\nChannel 1: You've\n\nChannel 0: assess it.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Is there if so the the with with each of those three sets of data set to do to do with flood to do with flooding on this property, do would we comply with any of the three three with some changes to Unit 1 and Unit 2? Or is it all three of them that we that we have issues that we have issues with because of the Unit 3 location?\n\nChannel 0: If if you I'm sorry. If you just kept with the first two, I think we'd\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: be able to do mitigation to lower the levels without changing the footprints significantly.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. For all three?\n\nChannel 0: How it but but if if no. No. Sorry. No. No.\n\nJust just for one and two. So if you got rid of three\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: altogether, one\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: and two, we could do mitigation to reduce impacts for sure. With with three, three takes up obviously a lot of the storage capacity that we could potentially use to mitigate the one and two. So it means that we're we we slowly so we run out of space essentially with number three to mitigate\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: for the first two. And then we're also the third one also obviously significantly impacts the properties around it. And so it not only restricts the mitigation potential for the other two, but it also\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: creates a lot more of an\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Yep. When I when I said one, two, and three in that instance is I was you you said there are three types of flooding data that you've been provided by Maroondah,\n\nChannel 0: issue.\n\nChannel 1: like, at\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: the front\n\nChannel 0: sorry.\n\nChannel 1: of\n\nChannel 0: There's\n\nChannel 1: the site?\n\nChannel 0: no. So there's there's one event, but the three so the the they gave us there's there's three flooding events. So there's there's a twenty five minute flood, a nine a sixty minute flood, and a ninety\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: minute flood. We\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: had to run all three in order to see what the existing condition is. All three\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: have three different flow paths coming through it, and so that's based on the topography.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Okay. Yep. So that that that is the the three types involved. And in each of them, do we is it do do we notionally fail in all three of them, or is it, like, the the ninety minute one and the sixty minute one that we fail in?\n\nChannel 0: Well, sorry. It's we determined that it's I think it's a twenty five minute one. Is it the twenty five minute one, Maddie? That's yeah. So the critical one is the twenty five minutes.\n\nSo we've ignored the other two because we can if we\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: if we meet the critical, then that's realistically the biggest issue. I think it was look. I think it actually the twenty twenty five minute is the critical at the rear, and then there's a sixty minute that's the critical at the front. And so we we don't meet any of them,\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: I guess, is the short answer is we don't meet any of them because of the size of the footprints.\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: So irrespective of the event, the of the duration, it's still gonna impact it. But I guess, yeah, it doesn't even matter which one we would we would go with the critical, and that's what we\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: would assess and and and put forward to council. And so if we can't meet the critical, there's no point assessing the others.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just yeah.\n\nThank you. I'm just trying to grasp the the the the specifics\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: involved.\n\nChannel 0: No. No.\n\nChannel 1: I understand\n\nChannel 0: All good.\n\nChannel 1: there's\n\nChannel 0: Any\n\nChannel 1: a lot of specialization.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Please.\n\nAnd look, I'm happy to speak to them as well if that if that's easier for you, but, you know, whatever's easier.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. So I I I may because his name's Neil Mcdonald. He's done a lot done a fair few of developments over the years and a fair a fair few with us. 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So any any sort of\n\nChannel 0: I think\n\nChannel 1: design\n\nChannel 0: I'd be lying\n\nChannel 1: changes.\n\nChannel 0: if I said, yeah, I think I'd be lying if I said there was, to be honest with you, and the the reason is because of that tree.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: So\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: if otherwise, I would say we can move the footprint further to the south, But\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: because that tree we can't remove that tree, it means that we can't use that space. And and although I called the arborist quite a few times, my experience is you can't do much more than a 150 mil around the tree, and even a 100 and\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: 50 mil is probably pushing it.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And so I I like, I just can't see honestly, if if he was\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: gonna abandon, I probably if if he's nervous about the redesign, I would probably abandon it as well because I can't see that last one working without a significant reduction in footprint,\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Which could potentially be changing to a to a two story configuration.\n\nChannel 0: which which\n\nChannel 1: He\n\nChannel 0: probably would be a two story list. Yeah. Let's be honest.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Okay. Because we did he did originally have a lot of conversations himself directly with the council office about getting that removed. I've reached out to the I've I've managed to get onto the or myself, and he's he's confirmed pretty much what you're pretty much what you're saying. I was hoping there might be some door to knock on, but there but there isn't.\n\nWe're looking into the other the other option is the client drops over $4 on a rude investigation to see to confirm whether there is any more that we could push the footprint further to further towards the to the South. Should if the if the client was to get a rude investigation and it revealed that we could move a significant amount of the footprint further towards the South, how much for for because, obviously, it's another significant expense for\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the client. How realistically, how much would we need to move that house? Obviously, it's a little bit of how long is a piece of string, but, realistically, how much do you reckon? We would have to move that house towards the front of the site for it to be worthwhile. Like you said, we need we'd potentially need to go double story if the house house was to be retained.\n\nWhat what sort of reasset back from,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: like, entire reset back should we be aiming for if the client considers doing that rude investigation or going double story?\n\nChannel 0: Look. Typically, we\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: we like, Melbourne Water would tell you three to four meters. I don't think that that would be enough.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: Although in saying that, if we get the flow if it was three meters back because at the moment, it's like a meter and a half, two meters. It's pretty short.\n\nChannel 1: Are we are we talking about off are we talking about off of the northwestern boundary as well? Because we're about 3.5 off the rear boundary and five and five point two in in in the corner.\n\nChannel 0: Well, it would be yeah. Sorry. North Western is definitely what I meant. Sorry.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So it\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it'd be I think you'd need at least three off that boundary, and then I'd I'd probably add an extra couple meters off the the northern boundary as well. So it'd be it'd be a fair it'd be a fair bit further north. Sorry. South. The footprint would be a fair bit further south.\n\nChannel 1: K. So if if we use the building design team have a have a look at what we can do in terms of in terms of redesigning the footprint as as part as part of what comes next, you'd say roughly three to four meters off the northwestern boundary, and it's about 3.5 off the the rear north boundary at the moment. Would you say five meters off, six meters off? 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They might reach out to you to understand the the stuff about mitigation\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: methods\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Great.\n\nChannel 1: as stage two in that. But when we look at redesigning unit three unit 3 to to help us get there so that mitigation methods would be within reach as a as a solution for unit 3 with design changes, We\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: should be aiming to reduce unit three's northwestern setback to or increase it rather to around three meters or four meters. And\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Look. I I mean, yeah, three wheels would be great. And then\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: from the south, where if you can get up to five, that would also be very good.\n\nChannel 1: okay. Yep. So if we get the if we get it in those ballparks, mitigation methods might become possible.\n\nChannel 0: It might be. Yeah. But I guess before you do, like, a detailed design, I would probably sorry. Push you to say, actually, just let me see if it concepts so that it doesn't cost the client any extra money.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: And then if it does yeah. I I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy to throw in a test for him\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: just to just to see. And and and yeah. Because I guess, you know, ideally, we want this to work. So,\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: yeah, that's that's I'm happy to do that because yeah. Well, I I guess, at the moment, he's got up to we've finished stage one, so we'll end up sending out the invoice for stage one today probably. And then\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: I don't want him to be left on alert, so I'm happy to try it. If it if it works, great. If it doesn't, then we'll have to figure out we'll have to have another chat. But at least he can feel confident that he's not just being thrown to the wolves, I guess, and we are trying.\n\nChannel 1: Yes. That that he yeah. That he's reassured that you are on his so he's reassured that you are on his side, and we're all trying to find a a solution.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. I'll have a chat with the the the rest of my the rest of my team today and and then with the and then with the client, and\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: and then we'll reach we'll reach out to you about the what we think we could what we think we can do and maybe and maybe at that point, the the running of that example of three and five meter setbacks. We'll see how much we'll we'll see what we can do in terms of amending the design to keep it single story, to be three things that we set on single story. And, yeah, hopefully, we can you might be amenable to turning one of them double story or having one of them have a a lower footprint. Yeah. So we'll\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I'll I'll I'll we'll\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Great.\n\nChannel 1: be in touch\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: shortly\n\nChannel 0: Easy.\n\nChannel 1: about that.\n\nChannel 0: Easy. Yeah. Perfect. Sounds good.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Okay. Thank\n\nChannel 0: Do\n\nChannel 1: you for your time, Alex. Appreciate it.\n\nChannel 0: no. No. It's all good, Matt. Sorry about the back and forth. I I yeah.\n\nSometimes it yeah. I don't know. At the end of the day, but I was trying to say, do do you have a I mean, maybe you don't wanna give it out, and that's absolutely fine. But a mobile number might help for next time. If if not, it's all good.\n\nChannel 1: So so my my number or for the Everest?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yours. I'm sorry. Because I called the mobile the the IRS quite a few times, and they never picked up.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. That is that's their number. My number is we have one central office number, and then it it comes through Julie allocated\n\nChannel 0: Oh, okay.\n\nChannel 1: platform forwards it down to my extension.\n\nChannel 0: Okay. No worries. Easy.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. So I will be in touch shortly afterwards.\n\nChannel 0: Alright. Sounds good. Thanks, man.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Thanks, Alex. Bye.\n\nChannel 0: Cheers. 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The well, before, based on the, extent they gave us, it didn't look like it was a significant like, it didn't look like it was a significant flow that was coming through it.","start_word":112,"end_word":1046,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.03710308458356008},{"text":"There's just a lot more water than what we anticipated.","start_word":1047,"end_word":1056,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3531673848628998},{"text":"So the when they so based on based on the FAI, you expected a low volume of water to be involved. But when they sent That's through right. that data data that they didn't initially give you, That's that's where that's where it's become right. clear the volume is involved. That's right. That's right. And then, yeah, we we they obviously never gave us the the the sorry, the duration of the flow and the actual flow rate. And then once they've stipulated that, we we're able to look at it and say, okay. You know, this is well, we're sorry. Once we actually ran it, then we were able to Mhmm. say, yes. There is a fair bit of water coming through, and we wouldn't have known until after we've we've run it. Okay. Yeah. I I understand that often the client, our customers questions are a little bit of how long is a piece of string Oh, in the I in terms of yeah. I you need appreciate to do it. some Yeah. of the some of the work in order to to understand that. But I also need to be able to if we're talking about significant design changes, I need to be able to represent the client needs to be able to understand Oh, yeah. I why the completely appreciate that. yep. So it's Yeah. That makes sense. if we if I were to if we were to explain it to the client, then it would be that the calculations, volumes, all those sort of words, we're we're not. Yeah. They didn't they the council didn't give enough data to start with. And when they did No. give Exactly. the data, it And was outside typical things. that's right. And and also, I guess the thing is, which you probably can reiterate, is that we we can we can say we can we can test things, but not until we've actually run the model. Can we have a definitive yes or no? Mhmm. And that's Yes. always, Yes. I guess, been the case.","start_word":1057,"end_word":1403,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07198712570855786},{"text":"So we we've got a definitive one, and, unfortunately, it's it's not as positive as what we'd hoped.","start_word":1404,"end_word":1421,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3681747913360596},{"text":"Yes. And, yeah, it it's yeah.","start_word":1422,"end_word":1427,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07661015540361404},{"text":"I guess this is unfortunately part of the process. It's it's a pretty frustrating part of the process, but it is part of the process.","start_word":1428,"end_word":1452,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3829443156719208},{"text":"K. And so it's I was could you also as somewhat of a layman, could you explain why the the flow path that council that council gives us is all about the flow path at the bottom at the at the bottom of the site outside of the footprint of Unit 1 And 2 that the that the modeling is talking about. So the the the modeling modeling is at the whole site and flooding from around Unit 1 and Unit 2 impacting the others. It just surprises me that the the trigger point is this flooding overlay from, I think, the property information certificate, but that area is only over the rear of the site, but the rest of the site is also because we Yeah. we've So had special they they building overlay. Yeah. Okay. So book. Yeah. they they when they design a a special building overlay, it's typically based on depth. And so Yes. the flood depth at the rear of the dwelling sorry, of the property is is quite a lot higher, and so that's where they've categorically defined it. But the actual Mhmm. flood model that they've given us has Mhmm. three different flow paths. There's one along the road, there's one Okay. along the rear of the dwelling, and there's one in between the through the middle. And so what's happening is each of the flow paths are hitting each of the houses, like, Mhmm. depending on the location, and then getting pushed back up to stream. Okay. So the the the the one that's in the FIR that shows the shows the flooding area over the back of the site is one of three, and they've provided you all three, which goes over That's the rest right. of the site as well. Okay. That's right. That's right. And and the one that's the what I'm sorry.","start_word":1453,"end_word":1766,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.03486282068785209},{"text":"It's the worst is the one Mhmm.","start_word":1767,"end_word":1773,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3484179377555847},{"text":"with the special building overlay. It's the it's the biggest one. Okay. Especially I because I when I was saying specifically building overlay, I was thinking about a a site we've done previously that had some some flooding involved. But Well yeah. I Look. I It would be classified as a special building overlay if it was actually in the playing scheme. okay. So it's similar to an s to a special building overlay despite there not being that overlay on this property. That's right. That's how they'll You've assess it. Okay. Is there if so the the with with each of those three sets of data set to do to do with flood to do with flooding on this property, do would we comply with any of the three three with some changes to Unit 1 and Unit 2? Or is it all three of them that we that we have issues that we have issues with because of the Unit 3 location? If if you I'm sorry. If you just kept with the first two, I think we'd Yeah. be able to do mitigation to lower the levels without changing the footprints significantly. Okay. For all three? How it but but if if no. No. Sorry. No. No. Just just for one and two. So if you got rid of three Okay. altogether, one Mhmm. and two, we could do mitigation to reduce impacts for sure. With with three, three takes up obviously a lot of the storage capacity that we could potentially use to mitigate the one and two. So it means that we're we we slowly so we run out of space essentially with number three to mitigate Yes. for the first two. And then we're also the third one also obviously significantly impacts the properties around it. And so it not only restricts the mitigation potential for the other two, but it also Mhmm. creates a lot more of an Okay. Yep. When I when I said one, two, and three in that instance is I was you you said there are three types of flooding data that you've been provided by Maroondah, issue. like, at Oh, the front sorry. of There's the site? no. So there's there's one event, but the three so the the they gave us there's there's three flooding events. So there's there's a twenty five minute flood, a nine a sixty minute flood, and a ninety Yep. minute flood. We Mhmm. had to run all three in order to see what the existing condition is. All three Yeah. have three different flow paths coming through it, and so that's based on the topography. Mhmm. Okay. Yep. So that that that is the the three types involved. And in each of them, do we is it do do we notionally fail in all three of them, or is it, like, the the ninety minute one and the sixty minute one that we fail in? Well, sorry. It's we determined that it's I think it's a twenty five minute one. Is it the twenty five minute one, Maddie? That's yeah. So the critical one is the twenty five minutes. So we've ignored the other two because we can if we Mhmm. if we meet the critical, then that's realistically the biggest issue. I think it was look. I think it actually the twenty twenty five minute is the critical at the rear, and then there's a sixty minute that's the critical at the front. And so we we don't meet any of them, Yes.","start_word":1774,"end_word":2365,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.05695982985953624},{"text":"I guess, is the short answer is we don't meet any of them because of the size of the footprints.","start_word":2366,"end_word":2385,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4367220103740692},{"text":"Yes. So irrespective of the event, the of the duration, it's still gonna impact it. But I guess, yeah, it doesn't even matter which one we would we would go with the critical, and that's what we Yes. would assess and and and put forward to council. And so if we can't meet the critical, there's no point assessing the others. Yep. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Just yeah.","start_word":2386,"end_word":2452,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.10078766030162128},{"text":"Thank you.","start_word":2453,"end_word":2454,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5017391443252563},{"text":"I'm just trying to grasp the the the the specifics No. involved. No. No. I understand All good. there's Any a lot of specialization. yeah. Yeah. Please. Yeah. Please. And look, I'm happy to speak to them as well if that if that's easier for you, but, you know, whatever's easier. Yep. So I I I may because his name's Neil Mcdonald. He's done a lot done a fair few of developments over the years and a fair a fair few with us. He tends to be someone that Yep. is quite fit on the outcome that he's that he's hoping to achieve. If there's significant Okay. design change, he he may abandon the project altogether. So I'm just Okay. looking to understand all the all the factors in play, and he will probably wanna speak to you, sir, directly to he he's pretty good at putting the pieces together, like, where whatever reason we like working with him is that he can grasp the the details when you explain them, and and he's quite Yep. logical about the about the outcomes. Is there anything Yep. in terms of in terms of the issues with unit three? Are there any other design changes besides pretty much turning it into a two story that are likely to get us close enough to mitigation methods being sufficient to to get us there?","start_word":2455,"end_word":2684,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.10915017873048782},{"text":"So any any sort of I think design I'd be lying changes.","start_word":2685,"end_word":2696,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.46592798829078674},{"text":"if I said, yeah, I think I'd be lying if I said there was, to be honest with you, and the the reason is because of that tree. Okay. So Yep. if otherwise, I would say we can move the footprint further to the south, But Mhmm.","start_word":2697,"end_word":2743,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1834989608602321},{"text":"because that tree we can't remove that tree, it means that we can't use that space.","start_word":2744,"end_word":2759,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5695314407348633},{"text":"And and although I called the arborist quite a few times, my experience is you can't do much more than a 150 mil around the tree, and even a 100 and Yeah.","start_word":2760,"end_word":2791,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.3182440400123596},{"text":"50 mil is probably pushing it.","start_word":2792,"end_word":2797,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3596567213535309},{"text":"Yeah. And so I I like, I just can't see honestly, if if he was Mhmm.","start_word":2798,"end_word":2813,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.2134217470884323},{"text":"gonna abandon, I probably if if he's nervous about the redesign, I would probably abandon it as well because I can't see that last one working without a significant reduction in footprint, Okay.","start_word":2814,"end_word":2846,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.456763207912445},{"text":"Which could potentially be changing to a to a two story configuration. which which He probably would be a two story list. Yeah. Let's be honest. yeah. Okay. Because we did he did originally have a lot of conversations himself directly with the council office about getting that removed. I've reached out to the I've I've managed to get onto the or myself, and he's he's confirmed pretty much what you're pretty much what you're saying. I was hoping there might be some door to knock on, but there but there isn't. We're looking into the other the other option is the client drops over $4 on a rude investigation to see to confirm whether there is any more that we could push the footprint further to further towards the to the South. Should if the if the client was to get a rude investigation and it revealed that we could move a significant amount of the footprint further towards the South, how much for for because, obviously, it's another significant expense for Yeah. the client. How realistically, how much would we need to move that house? Obviously, it's a little bit of how long is a piece of string, but, realistically, how much do you reckon? We would have to move that house towards the front of the site for it to be worthwhile. Like you said, we need we'd potentially need to go double story if the house house was to be retained. What what sort of reasset back from, Yeah. like, entire reset back should we be aiming for if the client considers doing that rude investigation or going double story? Look. Typically, we Mhmm. we like, Melbourne Water would tell you three to four meters. I don't think that that would be enough. Mhmm. Although in saying that, if we get the flow if it was three meters back because at the moment, it's like a meter and a half, two meters. It's pretty short. Are we are we talking about off are we talking about off of the northwestern boundary as well? Because we're about 3.5 off the rear boundary and five and five point two in in in the corner. Well, it would be yeah. Sorry. North Western is definitely what I meant. Sorry. Okay. Yeah. So it Yeah. it'd be I think you'd need at least three off that boundary, and then I'd I'd probably add an extra couple meters off the the northern boundary as well. So it'd be it'd be a fair it'd be a fair bit further north. Sorry. South. The footprint would be a fair bit further south. K. So if if we use the building design team have a have a look at what we can do in terms of in terms of redesigning the footprint as as part as part of what comes next, you'd say roughly three to four meters off the northwestern boundary, and it's about 3.5 off the the rear north boundary at the moment. Would you say five meters off, six meters off? What sort of ballpark should we look at if we're gonna I redesign would say the footprint? six, but I Mhmm. would say six, but I would also say that we would because of the difficulties, we would throw in a concept design free of charge before you do a proper design. Okay.","start_word":2847,"end_word":3409,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.08039426671251734},{"text":"Thank you. I appreciate that.","start_word":3410,"end_word":3414,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4730173349380493},{"text":"So, like, we we yeah. We like, the yeah. Yep. I guess that's that's that's that's all I can say with that. Look, to be honest, Mhmm. the first two have barely it's got very little impact. It's real it's it's realistically the last one. So Yep. I think yeah. Like I said, I think we can get away with one and two, but number three, it's it's not it's not close.","start_word":3415,"end_word":3486,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.11913588643074036},{"text":"I guess it's the problem. It's not really close.","start_word":3487,"end_word":3495,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3731590807437897},{"text":"Yes. So should the client I'll have a conversation with the client. They might reach out to you to understand the the stuff about mitigation Yeah. methods Yeah.","start_word":3496,"end_word":3523,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.09987448155879974},{"text":"Great. as stage two in that.","start_word":3524,"end_word":3529,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4444294273853302},{"text":"But when we look at redesigning unit three unit 3 to to help us get there so that mitigation methods would be within reach as a as a solution for unit 3 with design changes, We Yes. should be aiming to reduce unit three's northwestern setback to or increase it rather to around three meters or four meters. And Yeah. Look.","start_word":3530,"end_word":3590,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.2133520096540451},{"text":"I I mean, yeah, three wheels would be great.","start_word":3591,"end_word":3599,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3747715950012207},{"text":"And then the from the south, where if you can get up to five, that would also be very good. okay. Yep. So if we get the if we get it in those ballparks, mitigation methods might become possible. It might be. Yeah. But I guess before you do, like, a detailed design, I would probably sorry. Push you to say, actually, just let me see if it concepts so that it doesn't cost the client any extra money. Yep. And then if it does yeah. I I guess what I'm saying is I'm happy to throw in a test for him Okay. Yeah. just to just to see. And and and yeah. Because I guess, you know, ideally, we want this to work. So, Yes.","start_word":3600,"end_word":3725,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.2166454792022705},{"text":"yeah, that's that's I'm happy to do that because yeah.","start_word":3726,"end_word":3735,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4975184500217438},{"text":"Well, I I guess, at the moment, he's got up to we've finished stage one, so we'll end up sending out the invoice for stage one today probably. And then Mhmm. I don't want him to be left on alert, so I'm happy to try it.","start_word":3736,"end_word":3781,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.11117705605600192},{"text":"If it if it works, great.","start_word":3782,"end_word":3787,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5154704451560974},{"text":"If it doesn't, then we'll have to figure out we'll have to have another chat. But at least he can feel confident that he's not just being thrown to the wolves, I guess, and we are trying. Yes.","start_word":3788,"end_word":3825,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.09977565705776216},{"text":"That that he yeah. That he's reassured that you are on his so he's reassured that you are on his side, and we're all trying to find a a solution.","start_word":3826,"end_word":3855,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4735596179962158},{"text":"That's right. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I'll have a chat with the the the rest of my the rest of my team today and and then with the and then with the client, and Yep. and then we'll reach we'll reach out to you about the what we think we could what we think we can do and maybe and maybe at that point, the the running of that example of three and five meter setbacks. We'll see how much we'll we'll see what we can do in terms of amending the design to keep it single story, to be three things that we set on single story. And, yeah, hopefully, we can you might be amenable to turning one of them double story or having one of them have a a lower footprint. Yeah. So we'll Yeah. I'll I'll I'll we'll Yeah. Great. be in touch Yeah. shortly Easy. about that. Easy. Yeah.","start_word":3856,"end_word":4010,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.08771325647830963},{"text":"Perfect. Sounds good.","start_word":4011,"end_word":4013,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4598519504070282},{"text":"Okay. Okay.","start_word":4014,"end_word":4015,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.26177355647087097},{"text":"Thank Do you for your time, Alex. Appreciate it.","start_word":4016,"end_word":4024,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.499089241027832},{"text":"no. No. It's all good, Matt. Sorry about the back and forth. I I yeah. Sometimes it yeah. I don't know. At the end of the day, but I was trying to say, do do you have a I mean, maybe you don't wanna give it out, and that's absolutely fine. But a mobile number might help for next time. If if not, it's all good. So so my my number or for the Everest? Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yours. I'm sorry. Because I called the mobile the the IRS quite a few times, and they never picked up. Yep. That is that's their number. My number is we have one central office number, and then it it comes through Julie allocated Oh, okay. platform forwards it down to my extension. Okay. No worries. Easy. Yep. So I will be in touch shortly afterwards.","start_word":4025,"end_word":4167,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.021481709841352243},{"text":"Alright. Sounds good. Thanks, man. Okay. Thanks, Alex. Bye. Cheers. Bye.","start_word":4168,"end_word":4178,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.600088894367218}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.02347100149554153}}}}