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So the the main thing that they will argue is that you because what we're or what's being proposed is potentially impact someone else. So that even if it it's it's just so I guess you need to demonstrate that that you're not impacting another building or, you know, even that which is, you know, for me, I think it's a bit ridiculous when you've got you know, a couple meters of flooding, how you like, the impact is gonna be like, is they're both gonna be flooded. Even if you increase it by one centimeter, they're still gonna be pretty flooded by a meter. Okay. Sorry. I thought I lost you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The the only thing would be you have to put you have to represent the building footprint. Right? So so that that's the only thing that they would argue is that they don't know what that building footprint's gonna do, and so they need you to demonstrate that it's not gonna impact someone. That's essentially you. Yes. Oh, no. See, I I've I'm happy to challenge them. I guess the the the thing that there there's there's certain things that just even if I was to challenge them, they might come back and just say, look. There's no chance. And so I I guess the one thing I wanna say is I wouldn't I wouldn't want you to waste money on me regularly, like, challenging them when the answer is probably gonna be the same. What the way that I would probably do it instead is what actually, how you planned recommended or requested the quote, which was have a have a meeting with them and provide options. Because, I guess, the difference between me doing that and, say, architect or whoever is that I know the playing scheme so I can, you know, say, look. What if we tried this? And then and then challenge them that way, if you know what I mean. Like, it it's slightly different. So I I'm I'm happy to do that and and start that way. But I guess the the one thing I would say is that, like, yes, I I've I've had success in the past getting things through that they've initially said no. They're not they're not gonna approve. But that that can that that that even though I have had success, they could be they they could say no. You know? They still still could say no. So I guess that's what the thing I'd probably wanna impress is that, you know, I've I've obviously pushed the hardest and and, you know, try to get a solution for you. But I think the best way to do it would be us sitting down with Melbourne Water and then just hashing it all through. We've just just me and the me and Melbourne Water just to give you guys a bit of a breather because I know that they are a little bit more receptive when a consultant maybe speaks as opposed to develop sorry, to the owners who that, you know I know that, obviously, you you want the best for your site, and so you're quite passionate. You know? Well, I mean, yeah. I I appreciate that. And, look, I I think, realistically, I mean, I I would obviously be pushing for you and and obviously pushing for the development. And, I mean, that's that's my role. It's it's to try and get these things through that should get through. So, you know, from from that perspective, yeah, absolutely. But, look, if if you are, you know sorry. If if you are apprehensive about me having a crack, if you know, like, if you if I think you mentioned that your dad knows another consult if you know another consultant who's got, you know, ten years, twenty years in the industry and and oh, sorry. Twenty years in the industry and is keen on helping you. I I I mean, you know, the more Melbourne Water are fickle in that way that they might just you know, they they might listen to someone who's been in the industry for even longer. Look. I'm not saying they wouldn't listen to me, but, you know, that if if they've got someone like that, you know, that they might be worth speaking to. It it might be worth there's a company that I I that it looked them they're a competitor of mine, but I I rate them. I think they're a really good company. It it they're called Aflux, so a f f l u x. A f a f f l u x consulting. And they I I've seen them routinely challenge Melbourne Water and get development across. They're they're they that's the kind of their bread and butter. I typically the way that I like to work is try to work with Melbourne Water to get a solution, and and it and it works. You know, I I've got over 95, 98% approved. So I know how to get things approved from Melbourne Water, but if you want someone to, like, fight and and challenge and stuff like that, they might be a better they might be a better fit. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that. Yeah. Yeah. Well, yeah. I I yeah. Yeah. I it does. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Look. I guess that's that's the what I was probably, you know, trying to get across is that that because I I disagree with this, but because that this is this is the planning policy, I guess, in in for from Melbourne Water is that even if the area is already significantly impacted, even if we just we design in a way that can, flood proof, in Melbourne in particular, it's very rigid. Right? It's very, like, you have to meet these specific guidelines, and they're very they're very specific. They're very difficult probably is is is the best word to to meet a lot of the time because because we they can, essentially. And and the reason why they can is because Melbourne doesn't get flooded too badly, so they can they can say you have even more rigid rules whilst, you know, if we're in Queensland, then none of this would be an issue. So it's yeah. Look. I think when when I saw the site, I know it is it is impacted, but I guess the the one state. Floor level below the flood level they state. So I guess that's that's the if if I'm and I I I haven't I'm not sure what you've been speaking to Mel Ward with, so I'm obviously, you know, guessing. But okay. Yeah. Yeah. So, yeah, I see. I don't understand why they would ask that because if it's a, yeah, if it's a residential sorry. Not not it's not residential. It's it's industrial, so you should be able to get away from that. Commercial. Yeah. Sorry. Commercial and industrial, they they tend to assess them pretty similarly. Yeah. So I guess look. So so are you saying that you're happy to build at the flood level, but not at the freeboard level. Is that right? Yeah. So I guess in terms of I'll just get up I'll just read it so that I'm making sure I'm saying it's advantageous. The guidelines for that type for industrial commercial, A new industrial commercial is at the nominal flood protection level, which is typically 600 mil in in LSIO, 600 mil above the 1%. I I've never been able to argue a lower flood level for a nonexisting. Like, if there was a if there was a commercial, industrial, or whatever to own a building there previously, then you can argue. But because if it's a vacant lot, then you're putting on a new one. Yeah. Well, I I reckon that wouldn't be approved these that that probably got in before a lot of these new so a lot of Melbourne has been recently matched. Most of the studies have been recently updated. So I would say that the reason why that one's there is because it got in before the newest all these new guidelines. So, look, honestly, I I reckon I I don't wanna drop myself out of work, but I reckon our consulting might be they they might have yeah. I recommend them. They're really good. They're they're really good. Like, I I I rate myself for modeling. I think they're quite good. And they also have a few people in there, specifically Andrew, if you remember Andrew's name, who challenges Melbourne Water on these things regularly. And he he and and and I've seen him win, and he's like they they go they they put pretty embedded in Melbourne Water as well. So I would say that they're they're definitely worth it. Yeah. I reckon I wouldn't have his number. Sorry. I I if you if good question. Hang on. Let me see if I can find him. Yep. Done. I'll text him. I'll text sorry. Text you his his name. No. No worries at all, mate. Well, that's yeah. Yeah. I I reckon I reckon it it yeah. I reckon I reckon he's the right one to speak to. I just text you his his name's Andrew Allen, and he's from Aflox Consulting. So I've I've just sent that all to you. Yeah. I'm I'm sure he'll be able to help you out. And, you know, if if if you need another chat, let me know. But, otherwise, I I think he'd be the right one to go for. No. No. No worries at all. Good luck. Thanks, mate. 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Alex speaking. SWM Consulting. Good, Max. How are you?\n\nYes. How are you going, Max? Yeah. Good. Yes.\n\nYep. Yep. They you you would. Yeah. They they would have to Yep.\n\nSo the the main thing that they will argue is that you because what we're or what's being proposed is potentially impact someone else. So that even if it it's it's just so I guess you need to demonstrate that that you're not impacting another building or, you know, even that which is, you know, for me, I think it's a bit ridiculous when you've got you know, a couple meters of flooding, how you like, the impact is gonna be like, is they're both gonna be flooded. Even if you increase it by one centimeter, they're still gonna be pretty flooded by a meter. Okay. Sorry.\n\nI thought I lost you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nThe the only thing would be you have to put you have to represent the building footprint. Right? 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So, look, honestly, I I reckon I I don't wanna drop myself out of work, but I reckon our consulting might be they they might have yeah.\n\nI recommend them. They're really good. They're they're really good. Like, I I I rate myself for modeling. I think they're quite good.\n\nAnd they also have a few people in there, specifically Andrew, if you remember Andrew's name, who challenges Melbourne Water on these things regularly. And he he and and and I've seen him win, and he's like they they go they they put pretty embedded in Melbourne Water as well. So I would say that they're they're definitely worth it. Yeah. I reckon I wouldn't have his number.\n\nSorry. I I if you if good question. Hang on. Let me see if I can find him. Yep.\n\nDone. I'll text him. I'll text sorry. Text you his his name. No.\n\nNo worries at all, mate. Well, that's yeah. Yeah. I I reckon I reckon it it yeah. I reckon I reckon he's the right one to speak to.\n\nI just text you his his name's Andrew Allen, and he's from Aflox Consulting. So I've I've just sent that all to you. Yeah. I'm I'm sure he'll be able to help you out. And, you know, if if if you need another chat, let me know.\n\nBut, otherwise, I I think he'd be the right one to go for. No. No. No worries at all. Good luck.\n\nThanks, mate. 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How are you? From Marwood. From Marwood. Yeah. Good. Hey. Not too bad. Not too bad. I wanted to give you a call because so yesterday, we caught up with another water to discuss the site, obviously, and I told you how it went. We my my dad had a relationship with this other hydrology firm, which, like, you know, we we've had some he had some initial chats with, and now I'm saying, okay. Well, can I exhaust the list of my relationship with Alex? Because I think you're you're seems like you'll you'll vouch for the business and for the site. Because the sort of, I guess essentially, I'm not saying you're gonna be a mouthpiece for me, but you are going to lobby Melbourne Water and push them for a desired outcome. Now I wanted to talk to you because with the feedback we received, they say, okay. Well, you know, you can't build and you have to bid, you know, the flood level of 80 meters. And then if you wanna have a, you know, a QSR or something, it has to be 600 mil above that flood level. So that's great. But the the basic logic of, you know, a few principles. One being well, the current road, Banksia Street, sits lower than the site. So why you know, again, like, I'm speaking out loud here. But why wouldn't you apply the same rules as what the Victorian government have to abide by in shutting down the road? Why wouldn't you apply that to site if there's a flood? Yeah. So then then if you if you're doing that, right, and you abide by the same rules, and then you and then I'll let you talk, then what's Melbourne Water's problem? Because as far as I'm concerned, if there's damage to building, that's not their responsibility. Because last time I checked, they're not underwriting the insurance. It's fucking Zurich in Switzerland or, you know, Warren Buffett in Omaha, Nebraska, you know. It's they're not insurers. So what what is damage to property have got anything to do with Melbourne Water? So that's the thing. But but but if you argue to them say, okay. We abide by the same principles of Melbourne Water and build on great. Hang on a second. Sorry, Alex. No. Because I wanna have lunch and then we we're gonna see fucking meeting in the city. Anyway, I if you if you apply the same rules and say, okay. You know, I agree. I will shut down the site if there's a flood. I'll do the exact same as what the government would do with Banks Street. I'll do the exact same. I acknowledge that if there's a flood, there could be the potential loss in life. I acknowledge that and take responsibility. I acknowledge it. And that's why you put a emergency evacuation plan in place, and you abide by the same exact rules as what the Victorian government, you know, public transport the Department of Transport abide by. Then what objection what if I'm saying, yes. I'll agree to everything. We we maintain the the same level on-site, and then I'll, you know, I'll let you talk. If you maintain the same level on-site, then that means you're not pushing you know, directing the water in any other direction. You're not pushing it into another direction. So then how Okay. Now are you based in Melbourne? Okay. Do you want are you comfortable with lobbying Melbourne Water? And we'll throw resources at it. I'll put a case together before we go to them. Would you push the site and you, you know, do what you need to do? Because I not I understand from a perspective when you're dealing with bottled water, you've got to, you know, deal with it in a certain way, which is politically correct. However, you know, the fucking person we spoke to is some guy from Pakistan, like, you know, and he could barely put a a sentence together in English. So what I'm trying to say is, are you gonna push it on our behalf and you'll get the the you you'll put a bit of effort into it and, you know, get the desired outcome for us? Or do you do you say, oh, I'm actually you know, I'm believing it and I'm not gonna push it for you? This part's the bag native empty? Double double check the bag. It it might be that. Have a look. Alright. Yeah. Of course. But but I want I want to be reassured that off to the record when you're when I'm not there, you're talking to help them with Waterdirect, that you're gonna push them and, you know, get an outcome. Because their their logic at the moment is so irrational and not thoroughly thought through that they really have a leg to stand on. No. Because that's what saying you're Alex. I'm not saying that. I reckon you you're a bad guy. That's why I've called you. But I I I wanna lobby Melbourne Water, and I wanna get I I wanna push them. Yeah? Because I think their logic I think if if I agree to saying I'll put a major plan in place, I agree. I'll do everything as they ask for. Then why if I if I'm not giving any objection to, you know, some of their things besides building on grade, then, like, why wouldn't, like I'm not I'm not giving any objection. So I I don't understand why they would object to my application. You know? Does that make sense? And there's all those other buildings around the area. There's so much existing presence. It's like it's a built up area. Right? But I don't I don't want you to reason with me. I want you to challenge me and say, actually, I'm actually wrong because, you know, they changed the rules between nine payments, and that that's the reasoning. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm I'm saying I'll build at the at the level of 18 meters, but not in that extra meter above. Right? Because then how am I meant to get access? And then they're saying, oh, you know, then in the case of a flood, there has to be an evacuation via high ground because all the roads around it are flood approved flood affected. Yeah? No. That's it. It's commercial. It's commercial. Yeah. Yeah. It's fine too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's not vacant. It's existing. But the thing is, there's existing there's existing building at that level. And what about the there's an office across the road which was built in the last, you know, fifteen years as well. That is is at a lower level and it's got a basement. Is that Do you know anyone there that you recommend that you could share me your details? Andrew. Okay. I hate wins. Oh, good. Do you have Andrew's number? Wait. Let me try. Do you know his his last name? If you if you could text it to me, that'd be great. And then I'll give him I'll give the office a call and I'll ask for him. Yeah. Thank you so much. Alex, you've you've been great and look, you know. And, like, yeah, this this is like the problem I'm at the moment because they're they're very unrealistic and they're saying, oh, you can't develop a social stop. Well, you know, that's then why did they rezone it to be 12 stories high? 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So what what is damage to property have got anything to do with Melbourne Water?\n\nSo that's the thing. But but but if you argue to them say, okay. We abide by the same principles of Melbourne Water and build on great. Hang on a second. Sorry, Alex.\n\nNo. Because I wanna have lunch and then we we're gonna see fucking meeting in the city. Anyway, I if you if you apply the same rules and say, okay. You know, I agree. I will shut down the site if there's a flood.\n\nI'll do the exact same as what the government would do with Banks Street. I'll do the exact same. I acknowledge that if there's a flood, there could be the potential loss in life. I acknowledge that and take responsibility. I acknowledge it.\n\nAnd that's why you put a emergency evacuation plan in place, and you abide by the same exact rules as what the Victorian government, you know, public transport the Department of Transport abide by. Then what objection what if I'm saying, yes. I'll agree to everything. We we maintain the the same level on-site, and then I'll, you know, I'll let you talk. If you maintain the same level on-site, then that means you're not pushing you know, directing the water in any other direction.\n\nYou're not pushing it into another direction. So then how Okay. Now are you based in Melbourne? Okay. Do you want are you comfortable with lobbying Melbourne Water?\n\nAnd we'll throw resources at it. I'll put a case together before we go to them. Would you push the site and you, you know, do what you need to do? Because I not I understand from a perspective when you're dealing with bottled water, you've got to, you know, deal with it in a certain way, which is politically correct. However, you know, the fucking person we spoke to is some guy from Pakistan, like, you know, and he could barely put a a sentence together in English.\n\nSo what I'm trying to say is, are you gonna push it on our behalf and you'll get the the you you'll put a bit of effort into it and, you know, get the desired outcome for us? Or do you do you say, oh, I'm actually you know, I'm believing it and I'm not gonna push it for you? This part's the bag native empty? Double double check the bag. It it might be that.\n\nHave a look. Alright. Yeah. Of course. But but I want I want to be reassured that off to the record when you're when I'm not there, you're talking to help them with Waterdirect, that you're gonna push them and, you know, get an outcome.\n\nBecause their their logic at the moment is so irrational and not thoroughly thought through that they really have a leg to stand on. No. Because that's what saying you're Alex. I'm not saying that. I reckon you you're a bad guy.\n\nThat's why I've called you. But I I I wanna lobby Melbourne Water, and I wanna get I I wanna push them. Yeah? Because I think their logic I think if if I agree to saying I'll put a major plan in place, I agree. I'll do everything as they ask for.\n\nThen why if I if I'm not giving any objection to, you know, some of their things besides building on grade, then, like, why wouldn't, like I'm not I'm not giving any objection. So I I don't understand why they would object to my application. You know? Does that make sense? And there's all those other buildings around the area.\n\nThere's so much existing presence. It's like it's a built up area. Right? But I don't I don't want you to reason with me. I want you to challenge me and say, actually, I'm actually wrong because, you know, they changed the rules between nine payments, and that that's the reasoning.\n\nYeah. Right. Yeah. Yeah. No.\n\nI'm I'm saying I'll build at the at the level of 18 meters, but not in that extra meter above. Right? Because then how am I meant to get access? And then they're saying, oh, you know, then in the case of a flood, there has to be an evacuation via high ground because all the roads around it are flood approved flood affected. Yeah?\n\nNo. That's it. It's commercial. It's commercial. Yeah.\n\nYeah. It's fine too. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nIt's not vacant. It's existing. But the thing is, there's existing there's existing building at that level. And what about the there's an office across the road which was built in the last, you know, fifteen years as well. That is is at a lower level and it's got a basement.\n\nIs that Do you know anyone there that you recommend that you could share me your details? Andrew. Okay. I hate wins. Oh, good.\n\nDo you have Andrew's number? Wait. Let me try. Do you know his his last name? If you if you could text it to me, that'd be great.\n\nAnd then I'll give him I'll give the office a call and I'll ask for him. Yeah. Thank you so much. Alex, you've you've been great and look, you know. And, like, yeah, this this is like the problem I'm at the moment because they're they're very unrealistic and they're saying, oh, you can't develop a social stop.\n\nWell, you know, that's then why did they rezone it to be 12 stories high? You know? So do the does the council not talk to Melbourne Water? You know? They're both government bodies.\n\nThank you, Alex. I really appreciate it. 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Alex speaking. SWM Consulting.\n\nChannel 1: Alex, it's Max here. How are you?\n\nChannel 0: Good,\n\nChannel 1: From\n\nChannel 0: Max.\n\nChannel 1: Marwood.\n\nChannel 0: How are you?\n\nChannel 1: From Marwood.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: How\n\nChannel 1: Good.\n\nChannel 0: are you going, Max?\n\nChannel 1: Hey.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Not\n\nChannel 0: Good.\n\nChannel 1: too bad. Not too bad. I wanted to give you a call because so yesterday, we caught up with another water\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: to discuss the site, obviously, and I told you how it went. We my my dad had a relationship with this other hydrology firm, which, like, you know, we we've had some he had some initial chats with, and now I'm saying, okay. Well, can I exhaust the list of my relationship with Alex? Because I think you're you're seems like you'll you'll vouch for the business and for the site. Because\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: the sort of, I guess essentially, I'm not saying you're gonna be a mouthpiece for me, but you are going to lobby Melbourne Water and push them for a desired outcome. Now I wanted to talk to you because with the feedback we received, they say, okay. Well, you know, you can't build and you have to bid, you know, the flood level of 80 meters. And then if you wanna have a, you know, a QSR or something, it has to be 600 mil above that flood level. So that's great.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: But the the basic logic of, you know, a few principles. One being well, the current road, Banksia Street, sits lower than the site. So why you know, again, like, I'm speaking out loud here. But why wouldn't you apply the same rules as what the Victorian government have to abide by in shutting down the road? Why wouldn't you apply that to site if there's a flood?\n\nChannel 0: They you you would. Yeah. They they would have to\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. So then then if you if you're doing that, right, and you abide by the same rules, and then you and then I'll let you talk,\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: then what's Melbourne Water's problem? Because as far as I'm concerned, if there's damage to building, that's not their responsibility. Because last time I checked, they're not underwriting the insurance. It's fucking Zurich in Switzerland or, you know, Warren Buffett in Omaha, Nebraska, you know. It's they're not insurers.\n\nSo what what is damage to property have got anything to do with Melbourne Water?\n\nChannel 0: So the the main thing that they will argue is that you because what we're or what's being proposed is potentially impact someone else. So that even if it it's it's just so I guess you need to demonstrate that that you're not impacting another building or, you know, even that which is, you know, for me, I think it's a bit ridiculous when you've got you know, a couple meters of flooding, how you like, the impact is gonna be like, is they're both gonna be flooded. Even if you increase it by one centimeter, they're still gonna be pretty\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: flooded\n\nChannel 1: that's the\n\nChannel 0: by\n\nChannel 1: thing.\n\nChannel 0: a meter.\n\nChannel 1: But but but if you argue to them say, okay. We abide by the same principles of Melbourne Water and build on great. Hang on a second. Sorry, Alex.\n\nChannel 0: Okay. Sorry. I thought I lost you.\n\nChannel 1: No. Because I wanna have lunch and then we we're gonna see fucking meeting in the city. Anyway, I if you if you apply the same rules and say, okay. You know, I agree. I will shut down the site if there's a flood.\n\nI'll do the exact same as what the government would do with Banks Street. I'll do the\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: exact same. I acknowledge that if there's a flood, there could be the potential loss in life. I acknowledge that and take\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: responsibility. I acknowledge it. And that's why you put a emergency evacuation plan in place, and you abide by the same exact rules as what the Victorian government, you know, public transport the Department of Transport abide by.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Then what objection what if I'm saying, yes. I'll agree to everything. We we maintain the the same level on-site, and then I'll, you know, I'll let you talk. If you maintain the same level on-site, then that means you're not pushing you know, directing the water in any other direction. You're not pushing it into another direction.\n\nSo then\n\nChannel 0: The\n\nChannel 1: how\n\nChannel 0: the only thing would be you have to put you have to represent the building footprint. Right? So so that that's the only thing that they would argue is that they don't know what that building footprint's gonna do, and so they need you to demonstrate that it's not gonna impact someone. That's essentially\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Now are you based in Melbourne?\n\nChannel 0: you. Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Do you want are you comfortable with lobbying Melbourne Water? And we'll throw resources at it. I'll put a case together before we go to them. Would you push the site and you, you know, do what you need to do?\n\nBecause I not I understand from a perspective when you're dealing with bottled water, you've got to, you know, deal with it in a certain way, which is politically correct. However, you know, the fucking person we spoke to is some guy from Pakistan, like, you know, and he could barely put a a sentence together in English. So what I'm trying to say is, are you gonna push it on our behalf and you'll get the the you you'll put a bit of effort into it and, you know, get the desired outcome for us? Or do you do you say, oh, I'm actually you know, I'm believing it and I'm not gonna push it for you?\n\nChannel 0: Oh, no. See, I I've I'm happy to challenge them. I guess the the the thing that there there's there's certain things that just even if I was to challenge them, they might come back and just say, look. There's no chance. And so I I guess the one thing I wanna say is I wouldn't I wouldn't want you to waste money on me regularly, like, challenging them when the answer is probably gonna be the same.\n\nWhat the way that I would probably do it instead is what actually, how you planned recommended or requested the quote, which was have a have a meeting with them and provide options. Because, I guess, the difference between me doing that and, say, architect or whoever is that I know the playing scheme so I can, you know, say, look. What if we tried this? And then and then challenge them that way, if you know what I mean. Like, it it's slightly different.\n\nSo I I'm I'm happy to do that and and start that way. But I guess the the one thing I would say is that, like, yes, I I've I've had success in the past getting things through that they've initially said no. They're not they're not gonna approve.\n\nChannel 1: This part's\n\nChannel 0: But\n\nChannel 1: the bag native empty?\n\nChannel 0: that that can that\n\nChannel 1: Double\n\nChannel 0: that that\n\nChannel 1: double\n\nChannel 0: even\n\nChannel 1: check\n\nChannel 0: though\n\nChannel 1: the bag.\n\nChannel 0: I have\n\nChannel 1: It\n\nChannel 0: had\n\nChannel 1: it might\n\nChannel 0: success,\n\nChannel 1: be that.\n\nChannel 0: they\n\nChannel 1: Have\n\nChannel 0: could\n\nChannel 1: a look.\n\nChannel 0: be they they could say no. You know? They still still could say no. So I guess that's what the thing I'd probably wanna impress is that, you know, I've I've obviously\n\nChannel 1: Alright.\n\nChannel 0: pushed the hardest and and, you know, try to get a solution for you. But I think the best way to do it would be us sitting down with Melbourne Water and then just hashing it all through. We've just just me and the me and Melbourne Water just to give you guys a bit of a breather because I know that they are a little bit more receptive when a consultant maybe speaks as opposed to develop sorry, to the owners who that, you know I know that, obviously, you you want the best for your site,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: and\n\nChannel 1: Of course.\n\nChannel 0: so\n\nChannel 1: But\n\nChannel 0: you're quite\n\nChannel 1: but\n\nChannel 0: passionate.\n\nChannel 1: I want\n\nChannel 0: You\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: know?\n\nChannel 1: want to be reassured that off to the record when you're when I'm not there, you're talking to help them with Waterdirect, that you're gonna push them and, you know, get an outcome.\n\nChannel 0: Well, I mean, yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Because their their logic at the moment is so irrational and not thoroughly thought through that they really have a leg to stand on.\n\nChannel 0: I I appreciate that. And, look, I I think, realistically, I mean, I I would obviously be pushing for you and and obviously pushing for the development. And, I mean, that's that's my role. It's it's to try and get these things through that should get through. So, you know, from from that perspective, yeah, absolutely.\n\nBut, look, if if you are, you know sorry. If if you are apprehensive about me having a crack, if you know, like, if you if I think you mentioned that your dad knows another consult if you know another consultant who's got, you know, ten years, twenty years in the industry and and oh, sorry. Twenty years in the industry and is keen on helping you. I I I mean, you know, the more Melbourne Water are fickle in that way that they might just you know, they they might listen to someone who's been in the industry for even longer. Look.\n\nI'm not saying they wouldn't listen to me, but, you know, that if if they've got someone like that, you know, that they might be worth speaking to. It it might be worth there's a company that I I that it looked them they're a competitor of mine, but I I rate them. I think they're a really good company. It it they're called Aflux, so a f f l u x. A f a f f l u x consulting.\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: And they I I've seen them routinely challenge Melbourne Water and get development across. They're they're they that's the kind of their bread and butter. I typically the way that I like to work is try to work with Melbourne Water to get a solution, and and it and it works. You know, I I've got over 95, 98% approved. So I know how to get things approved from Melbourne Water, but if you want someone to, like, fight and and challenge and stuff like that, they might be a better they might be a better fit.\n\nChannel 1: Because that's what saying you're Alex. I'm not saying that. I reckon you you're a bad guy. That's why I've called you.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that.\n\nChannel 1: But I I I wanna lobby Melbourne Water, and I wanna get I I wanna push them. Yeah? Because\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I think\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: their logic I think if if I agree to saying I'll put a major plan in place, I agree. I'll do everything as they ask for. Then why if I if I'm not giving any objection to, you know, some of their things besides building on grade, then, like, why wouldn't, like I'm not I'm not giving any objection. So I I don't understand why they would object to my application. You know?\n\nChannel 0: Well, yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Does\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: that make sense?\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: And there's\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: all those\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: other\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: buildings\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: around\n\nChannel 0: does.\n\nChannel 1: the area. There's so much existing presence. It's like it's a built up area. Right?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: But I don't I don't want you to reason with me. I want you to challenge me and say, actually, I'm actually wrong because, you know, they changed the rules between nine payments, and that that's the\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: reasoning.\n\nChannel 0: But yeah. Look. I guess that's that's the what I was probably, you know, trying to get across is that that because I I disagree with this, but because that this is this is the planning policy, I guess, in in for from Melbourne Water is that even if the area is already significantly impacted, even if we just we design in a way that can, flood proof, in Melbourne in particular, it's very rigid. Right? It's very, like, you have to meet these specific guidelines, and they're very they're very specific.\n\nThey're very difficult probably is is is the best word to to meet a lot of the time because because we they can, essentially. And and the reason why they can is because Melbourne doesn't get flooded too badly, so they can they can say you have even more rigid rules whilst, you know, if we're in Queensland, then none of this would be an issue. So\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it's yeah. Look. I think when when I saw the site, I know it is it is impacted, but I guess the the one state. Floor level below the flood level they state.\n\nChannel 1: Right.\n\nChannel 0: So I guess that's that's the if if I'm and I I I haven't I'm not sure what you've been speaking\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: to Mel Ward with,\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: so I'm obviously, you know,\n\nChannel 1: I'm\n\nChannel 0: guessing. But\n\nChannel 1: I'm saying I'll build at the at the level of 18 meters,\n\nChannel 0: okay.\n\nChannel 1: but\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: not in that extra meter above. Right? Because then how am I meant to get access? And then they're saying, oh, you know, then in the case of a flood, there has to be an evacuation via high ground because all the roads around it are flood approved flood affected. Yeah?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So, yeah, I see. I don't understand why they would ask that because if it's a, yeah, if it's a residential sorry. Not not it's not residential. It's it's industrial, so you should be able to get away\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: from\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: that.\n\nChannel 1: it. It's commercial. It's commercial.\n\nChannel 0: Commercial. Yeah. Sorry. Commercial and industrial, they they tend\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: to\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: assess\n\nChannel 1: It's fine\n\nChannel 0: them pretty\n\nChannel 1: too.\n\nChannel 0: similarly.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So I guess look. So so are you saying that you're happy to build at the flood level, but not at the freeboard level. Is that right? Yeah.\n\nSo I guess in terms of\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I'll just get up I'll just read it so that I'm making sure I'm saying it's advantageous. The guidelines for that type for industrial commercial, A new industrial commercial is at the nominal flood protection level, which is typically 600 mil in in LSIO, 600 mil above the 1%.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I I've never been able to argue a lower flood level for a nonexisting. Like, if there was a if there was a commercial, industrial, or whatever to own a building there previously, then you can argue. But because if it's a vacant lot, then you're putting\n\nChannel 1: It's\n\nChannel 0: on\n\nChannel 1: not\n\nChannel 0: a new\n\nChannel 1: vacant.\n\nChannel 0: one.\n\nChannel 1: It's existing. But the thing is, there's existing there's existing building at that level. And what about the there's an office across the road which was built in the last, you know, fifteen years as well. That is is at a lower level and it's got a basement.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Well, I I reckon\n\nChannel 1: Is\n\nChannel 0: that\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: wouldn't be approved these that that probably got in before a lot of these new so a lot of Melbourne has been recently matched. Most of the studies have been recently updated. So I would say that the reason why that one's there is because it got in before the newest all these new guidelines. So, look, honestly, I I reckon I I don't wanna drop myself out of work, but I reckon our consulting might be\n\nChannel 1: Do you know anyone\n\nChannel 0: they\n\nChannel 1: there\n\nChannel 0: they might\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: have\n\nChannel 1: you recommend that\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: you could\n\nChannel 0: I recommend\n\nChannel 1: share me\n\nChannel 0: them. They're\n\nChannel 1: your\n\nChannel 0: really good. They're they're really good. Like, I I I rate myself for modeling.\n\nChannel 1: details?\n\nChannel 0: I think they're quite good. And they also have a few people in there, specifically Andrew, if you remember Andrew's name, who challenges\n\nChannel 1: Andrew.\n\nChannel 0: Melbourne Water on these things regularly.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. I hate\n\nChannel 0: And\n\nChannel 1: wins.\n\nChannel 0: he he and and and I've seen him win, and he's like they they go they they put pretty embedded in Melbourne Water as well. So I would say that they're\n\nChannel 1: Oh, good.\n\nChannel 0: they're definitely worth\n\nChannel 1: Do\n\nChannel 0: it.\n\nChannel 1: you have\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Andrew's\n\nChannel 0: I reckon\n\nChannel 1: number? Wait. Let me try.\n\nChannel 0: I wouldn't have his number. Sorry. I I\n\nChannel 1: Do you know his\n\nChannel 0: if you\n\nChannel 1: his last name?\n\nChannel 0: if good question. Hang on. Let me see if I can find him.\n\nChannel 1: If you if you could text it to me, that'd be great. And then I'll give him I'll give the office a call and I'll ask for him.\n\nChannel 0: Yep. Done. I'll text him. I'll text sorry. Text you his his name.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Thank you so much. Alex,\n\nChannel 0: No. No worries\n\nChannel 1: you've\n\nChannel 0: at\n\nChannel 1: you've\n\nChannel 0: all, mate.\n\nChannel 1: been great and look, you know. And, like, yeah, this this is like the problem I'm at the moment because they're they're very unrealistic and they're saying, oh, you can't develop a social stop. Well, you know, that's then why did they rezone it to be 12 stories high? You know?\n\nChannel 0: Well, that's yeah. Yeah. I\n\nChannel 1: So do\n\nChannel 0: I reckon\n\nChannel 1: the does the council\n\nChannel 0: I reckon\n\nChannel 1: not\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: talk\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: to Melbourne Water? You know? They're\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: both government\n\nChannel 0: I reckon\n\nChannel 1: bodies.\n\nChannel 0: I reckon he's the right one to speak to. I just text you his his name's Andrew Allen, and he's from Aflox Consulting. So I've I've just sent that all to you. Yeah. I'm I'm sure he'll be able to help you out.\n\nAnd, you know, if if if you need another chat, let me know. But, otherwise, I I think he'd be the right one to go for.\n\nChannel 1: Thank you, Alex. I really appreciate it.\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: You're a\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: legend.\n\nChannel 0: No worries at all. Good luck. Thanks, mate. 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Twenty years in the industry and is keen on helping you. I I I mean, you know, the more Melbourne Water are fickle in that way that they might just you know, they they might listen to someone who's been in the industry for even longer. Look. I'm not saying they wouldn't listen to me, but, you know, that if if they've got someone like that, you know, that they might be worth speaking to. It it might be worth there's a company that I I that it looked them they're a competitor of mine, but I I rate them.","start_word":1403,"end_word":1610,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.019229254058490575},{"text":"I think they're a really good company.","start_word":1611,"end_word":1617,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.7724465727806091},{"text":"It it they're called Aflux, so a f f l u x. A f a f f l u x consulting. No. And they I I've seen them routinely challenge Melbourne Water and get development across. They're they're they that's the kind of their bread and butter. I typically the way that I like to work is try to work with Melbourne Water to get a solution, and and it and it works. You know, I I've got over 95, 98% approved. So I know how to get things approved from Melbourne Water, but if you want someone to, like, fight and and challenge and stuff like that, they might be a better they might be a better fit. Because that's what saying you're Alex. I'm not saying that.","start_word":1618,"end_word":1746,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.08755694329738617},{"text":"I reckon you you're a bad guy.","start_word":1747,"end_word":1753,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5253427624702454},{"text":"That's why I've called you. Yeah. Yeah. I appreciate that. But I I I wanna lobby Melbourne Water, and I wanna get I I wanna push them. Yeah? Because Yeah. I think Yeah. their logic I think if if I agree to saying I'll put a major plan in place, I agree. I'll do everything as they ask for. Then why if I if I'm not giving any objection to, you know, some of their things besides building on grade, then, like, why wouldn't, like I'm not I'm not giving any objection.","start_word":1754,"end_word":1845,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.004090307280421257},{"text":"So I I don't understand why they would object to my application.","start_word":1846,"end_word":1857,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3393160104751587},{"text":"You know? Well, yeah. Does I that make sense? I And there's yeah. all those Yeah. other I buildings it around does. the area. There's so much existing presence. It's like it's a built up area. Right? Yeah. But I don't I don't want you to reason with me. I want you to challenge me and say, actually, I'm actually wrong because, you know, they changed the rules between nine payments, and that that's the Yeah. reasoning. But yeah. Look. I guess that's that's the what I was probably, you know, trying to get across is that that because I I disagree with this, but because that this is this is the planning policy, I guess, in in for from Melbourne Water is that even if the area is already significantly impacted, even if we just we design in a way that can, flood proof, in Melbourne in particular, it's very rigid. Right? It's very, like, you have to meet these specific guidelines, and they're very they're very specific. They're very difficult probably is is is the best word to to meet a lot of the time because because we they can, essentially. And and the reason why they can is because Melbourne doesn't get flooded too badly, so they can they can say you have even more rigid rules whilst, you know, if we're in Queensland, then none of this would be an issue. So Yeah. it's yeah. Look. I think when when I saw the site, I know it is it is impacted, but I guess the the one state. Floor level below the flood level they state. Right. So I guess that's that's the if if I'm and I I I haven't I'm not sure what you've been speaking Yeah. Yeah. to Mel Ward with, No. so I'm obviously, you know, I'm guessing. But I'm saying I'll build at the at the level of 18 meters, okay. but Yeah. not in that extra meter above. Right? Because then how am I meant to get access? And then they're saying, oh, you know, then in the case of a flood, there has to be an evacuation via high ground because all the roads around it are flood approved flood affected. Yeah? Yeah. So, yeah, I see. I don't understand why they would ask that because if it's a, yeah, if it's a residential sorry. Not not it's not residential. It's it's industrial, so you should be able to get away No. from That's that. it. It's commercial. It's commercial. Commercial. Yeah. Sorry. Commercial and industrial, they they tend Yeah. to Yeah. assess It's fine them pretty too. similarly. Yeah. Yeah. So I guess look. So so are you saying that you're happy to build at the flood level, but not at the freeboard level. Is that right? Yeah. So I guess in terms of Yeah. I'll just get up I'll just read it so that I'm making sure I'm saying it's advantageous. The guidelines for that type for industrial commercial, A new industrial commercial is at the nominal flood protection level, which is typically 600 mil in in LSIO, 600 mil above the 1%. Yeah. I I've never been able to argue a lower flood level for a nonexisting. Like, if there was a if there was a commercial, industrial, or whatever to own a building there previously, then you can argue. But because if it's a vacant lot, then you're putting It's on not a new vacant. one. It's existing. But the thing is, there's existing there's existing building at that level. And what about the there's an office across the road which was built in the last, you know, fifteen years as well. That is is at a lower level and it's got a basement. Yeah. Well, I I reckon Is that that wouldn't be approved these that that probably got in before a lot of these new so a lot of Melbourne has been recently matched. Most of the studies have been recently updated. So I would say that the reason why that one's there is because it got in before the newest all these new guidelines. So, look, honestly, I I reckon I I don't wanna drop myself out of work, but I reckon our consulting might be Do you know anyone they there they might that have you recommend that yeah. you could I recommend share them.","start_word":1858,"end_word":2591,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07493330729612699},{"text":"me They're your really good. They're they're really good. Like, I I I rate myself for modeling. details? I think they're quite good.","start_word":2592,"end_word":2614,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5366774201393127},{"text":"And they also have a few people in there, specifically Andrew, if you remember Andrew's name, who challenges Andrew. Melbourne Water on these things regularly. Okay. I hate And wins. he he and and and I've seen him win, and he's like they they go they they put pretty embedded in Melbourne Water as well. So I would say that they're Oh, good. they're definitely worth Do it. you have Yeah. Andrew's I reckon number? Wait. Let me try. I wouldn't have his number. Sorry. I I Do you know his if you his last name? if good question. Hang on. Let me see if I can find him. If you if you could text it to me, that'd be great. And then I'll give him I'll give the office a call and I'll ask for him. Yep. Done. I'll text him. I'll text sorry. Text you his his name. Yeah. Thank you so much. Alex, No. No worries you've at you've all, mate. been great and look, you know. And, like, yeah, this this is like the problem I'm at the moment because they're they're very unrealistic and they're saying, oh, you can't develop a social stop. Well, you know, that's then why did they rezone it to be 12 stories high? You know? Well, that's yeah. Yeah. I So do I reckon the does the council I reckon not it talk it to Melbourne Water? You know? They're yeah. both government I reckon bodies. I reckon he's the right one to speak to. I just text you his his name's Andrew Allen, and he's from Aflox Consulting. So I've I've just sent that all to you. Yeah.","start_word":2615,"end_word":2893,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.029775866918185703},{"text":"I'm I'm sure he'll be able to help you out.","start_word":2894,"end_word":2903,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.42717552185058594},{"text":"And, you know, if if if you need another chat, let me know. But, otherwise, I I think he'd be the right one to go for.","start_word":2904,"end_word":2929,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.20569048821926117},{"text":"Thank you, Alex. I really appreciate it.","start_word":2930,"end_word":2936,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.7693830728530884},{"text":"No. You're a No. legend. No worries at all.","start_word":2937,"end_word":2945,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0205778107047081},{"text":"Good luck. Thanks, mate. Bye.","start_word":2946,"end_word":2950,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.6160141229629517}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.010853968287897404}}}}