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I I liked it for a bit, but people have told me that it sounds like an answering machine, so people just hang up. So... Yep. Great fun. Anyway, thanks so much for calling me. I've... Has... Have a... Oh, no. It's all good. I end up sorting it out. I just needed to complain about Maroondah City Council. So is it Luke? Because I... I've been speaking to Subada, and his responses have been, like, just absolutely rubbish. And and, like, not even under... Like, I I gave him a flood level. I said that their model was terrible. I said I tried to fix up their model. They wanted me to use the model they wanted... I said that they had. And then I end up rebuilding the whole thing to one meter, had the exact same finished level. And they're like, no. You can't. We we have to... You have to write a full new report. Like, what... I just... Okay. Shocking. Oh, I just... I genuinely can't believe it. It's it's like a... It's... The model they gave me was a four meter grid for urban Melbourne. Four meter grid. Four meter. I couldn't... I was I was I was irate, Chris. And that's why I was I was... I'm glad you didn't pick up, to be honest, because I was... I I end up just rebuilding it and and, you know, I've copied the the amount of money it's cost me to rebuild it. But I just... Genuinely was... I I just needed to see... Because the guy at the bottom was like, oh, we get flood impact assessments from from all the time, and and and they have this, this, and this. I'm like, no. They don't. I don't believe you because what you've done is... Like, what you're asking is ridiculous. Like, this you can't give us a shitty model and then expect us... Sorry. Give... Then we give you the result that you gave the shitty model of and then tell us that, no. That's not good enough. Like, you you can't. That's not that's not how it works. Yeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah. No. And I I just... I... It just felt like I was hitting my head against the wall. Like... And and I I I think I I really got my power up. Like, I really started to be like, no. You're wrong. And then it... He... I noticed that they started getting upset, and I was like, oh, shit. I just... I'll I'll just do it. Just just just stop this because, yeah, I was just getting into this argument, and the argument was so infuriating because they just didn't know what they were talking about. I was like, what is happening here? Like, what what what is happening in this ad account? So... And... Yeah. Anyway, I was just... I really needed to vent about it because I was like, what what the... What is happening? And and, like, I started doing peer reviews for some jobs, and there was a duplication project. And it was genuinely one of the worst one of the worst models I've ever seen do... It was, like, built for a key piece of infrastruct... Like, it's just crazy to me how bad it was. And it... That's it. Yeah. It... That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Like, it it... You're... Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I just... Yeah. And and it it was basically all week. Last week, I I was arguing, and then by by the time I... Sorry. By the end of the week, I'm like, I'm just building it. I'm just rebuilding the whole thing. I don't care. I'll stay out late and finish it off and just done it and get it out. It... It's so... It's the worst. It's the worst. And... Because it is like... It's it's a whole week. It was like the full weekend that you just end up doing it. You're just like, I just... I I think what I was hoping was that maybe you had a bad experience with them, but it sounds like they've been okay with you. Why were they so horrible with me? Oh my god. Yep. Yep. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I... And I just... Yeah. I I I... It's kinda where I've got to now. I'm cutting down models so much just to make it, like, the most... And I've even started doing, like, roughness changes just to... Because I know that roughness would change the level off this site. So I'll be like, oh, I'll just change it a little bit because they don't... They're not gonna know any better, and it's so dumb. So dumb. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. I got I got, like, critical errors with... And I ran it in the model formation that that you you meant to... That I asked for. I I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what... Like, getting critical errors in a model that should be running. It's just beyond me. It was just... Oh. Oh, Maribyrdom. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Oh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I... But I get away with it. Yeah. It's... Yes. I I I just don't... Like, because the one that I'm... The other one that I was talking to you about, which is just shit out. Like... So it's CPB and... Oh, he's the guy that they've they've teamed with them for everything. They've done heaps of duplication and projects with them. Anyway, what... And there's another orange color. Whatever it is, it is honestly the most dog shit model that I've ever... Like... And and they did a they did a rural rain on grid model for a catchment that was over, like, a 100 hectares. And, like, it's... And and and then they were like, there there was a gauge downstream. Right? There was a gauge downstream. Yes. There was a little township there, but they said, oh, no. We can't use the calibrated gauge because the township would change everything. Like, are you kidding me? You can... You have to look at that gauge. That gauge is still relevant. It just... Just because there's a town... This is something. Oh my god. I was I was losing it. I was losing it at this report. I couldn't believe it. It's like how how it got through. I just... Yeah. Beyond me. Like, I I... It's... It it kinda scares me how bad some of our competitors are, really. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That... That's the thing with me. Like, I I started going hard. I was like, okay. Heaps of assumptions, inclusions, all this kind of stuff, and we've had it come back to us as well, whereas, like, I know... Everyone else is doing it. We're just being open about what... How, like, limited we are with flood modeling. That's just... That's right. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay. Good. I'm glad I'm glad that's what you did end up doing because that's what we ended up doing because, yeah, just... I was... I I needed to... I... Then and also just get someone else to be like, it's... It is ridiculous, but it is... We... You just do it. Yes. Okay. So... Yes. Yes. Yeah. We... We've we've actually noticed that some of the new subdivisions where they... Sorry. Actually, internally in Melbourne where, like, lots of work happens every year, it's just... It's, like, meters off, which just can't be true. Like, there's... It's it's picked up. So I'm not sure what it's picked up, but it's not great. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yeah. I I just... Yeah. And I I think the other thing that gets me with the lighter is I'm I'm working on a farm job, and they've done heaps of work on the farm, but the lighter for the existing is so old. And so, like, it's it's almost import... It... It's impossible to show what they've actually done and what they should... You know what I mean? Like, there's no way that I can categorically say this is what it used to be like because waterways change so often. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right. That's where... And... Yeah. So I'm I'm... At the moment, we're we're essentially proposing that we have to go back to the 2008 LiDAR, which is just not what it should... They should have to do, but that's what we have to get to because that's the best available information. Instead of, like, maybe rationally going out inside and being like, that's definitely been filled. How about we just get rid of that fill? Instead, we just... We we have to be like, no. You have to cut back and, you know, it's just... It's it's backwards. It just doesn't... It's not the way it should be done. Yeah. Yep. And I just feel like there's an... Almost an indoctrination at the moment going on with Melbourne Water where it's like they... One... If one of them starts getting really harsh, they all just seem to jump on board and then... Like like, even the the lady who used to work for WaterTech, she was never that harsh. And now I talk to her, I'm like, what are you talking about? What is this? Nazarene. Yeah. She was. And and I just... Like, sometimes I listen to her. Okay. I I I appreciate that you've moved to a different work space, and you do need to be a bit more, maybe rigid, but, like, it's always it's always they get brought in to become militant almost. It's just very... It's it's... Like, this is the way. This is Melbourne's water. You know? This is the way. I don't know. What... Whatever that maybe is from. You know? Like, it's just... That's right. Exactly. Exactly. And it just... Yeah. It gets me so much. It's just like, how do you have a rough... Rational conversation about something? With... And I... Every time it just feels like they think that you're a 100% only doing things just for the developers. Like, I don't give a shit about the developer. If it gets through, it gets through. Great. But for me, it's getting the water... That's right. That's right. I just wanna get the... I just wanna make sure that it's safe and that we're we're we're doing the right thing. So why why is it... And and it just feels like, no. You're working for that developer. You know, you're on the bad side. You're like, come on. Come on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, mate. Honestly, like, even just even just, like, sometimes it's like, oh, you didn't test enough scenarios. You could eat me. Like, I had that with, like, the 10 mil. It's like, I... That's... If that's that's... It's kilobytes. Big time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. And I'm sorry. We do run over the same one as well. We run over the same one. Just if it's a small iteration, we don't usually create a whole new run just for a small iteration. That's not the point. That's not the point. And I just feel like it's, like, they've lost the... They've lost that. That's what... Like, engineering is about iterative. We work towards a better solution. You work... We don't just plot something and say, yeah, that's good enough, and then done. That's not... We can't... Like, our modeling never allows us. We're we're so confined with most of our floodplains, and and so there's so much shit in it. That's right. Right? Like... Exactly. Exactly. Otherwise, why wouldn't you object to it? Anyway. Anyway. It's... Yeah. It's just... It's... Yeah. It... I'm I'm looking forward to this because I think it really needs to be pushed, but I really wanna push... I think I'll I'll keep it reiterating with them that they need more training with it because it's just it's... It... I think they just need to learn how to how to... Maybe even just flood modeling training, honestly. Like, maybe just... That's... Yes. That's a good point. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. No. Absolutely. And and... Yeah. Because yes and everyone else will tell you the exact same thing. That's absolutely true. And and it's not just a number, but, again, we've just kinda gone back to that tick box even though the whole purpose of the... Of AFlex is to come away a little bit from the tick box. Just... Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the that's probably... I think that's the one... One of the things that grants me is is when I come back and they argue about it. Like, actually, I I know that really well. I I helped write the part of it. You know? I did the research on it. Anyway... Yeah. It's a... That's right. That's right. Good. Good. How's... And how's... Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. How's how's the engineer? How's our engineer? Neil. God. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yep. Okay. Good. Oh, good. Good. Glad. Yeah. I've heard that too. We've... I've met a few of them, actually. Yeah. They're they're not particularly happy with what that means. But I find engineering a little bit... Pardon? Oh, the... So the first few people I've spoken to have just said that the culture has already started changing. So apparently, in Queensland, perhaps so many people left the Queensland office because of that exact same thing. So apparently, they came in... Queensland wasn't earning as much money, so they basically cleared the house a little bit more and and brought in their own systems and everything like that whilst they haven't been... They haven't done that in Melbourne until recently because Melbourne was running so well. And now they've kind of starting to change everything. And so quite a few people have reached out to be like, yeah. I'm I'm close to going. And they're losing. But I find engineering really difficult because I I do not like their... I just don't... I'm I'm kinda scarred. Look. I know they've gotten so much better at flood modeling, but I'm kinda scarred from how bad they were. Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And so I'm kinda like... People who... They wanna come out like, I don't know if you're gonna actually be able to handle us as a small business. That's right. Yeah. Right? Like... And and so it's just kinda like... Trying to find that right person. Like, I met one of them, and they said they'd only been doing large fund studies, like... And they've been working on one for the last four or five years. I'm like, that's one model. How... And I just... I I couldn't... I I just don't know how they could possibly go from that. At the moment, we've got 20 projects going, just two of us. How they could possibly go from that to that. I just don't think they could. I just don't know if that would translate because that's that's a... It's the big difference. Yeah. Totally. Totally. And and and you understand the differences in how things are assessed, first of all, secondly, just even how different floodplains respond. And they they do. They're completely different. You can never a 100% tell, but if you've been using one giant model forever, you just become so... This... It's just... It's the same thing. It's... There's no rule variety. So... Yeah. That's right. Yes. It seems like that, because I I have seen a second a few other people who've been looking for seniors, and they've just said that it's really difficult. They they haven't found anyone that can fit in. So I think even Jules was looking for one recently and hasn't got anyone in. So, yeah, it's it's interesting. Yeah. Anyway. I I think I'm done, honestly. I think that... Neil might have been my last junior. I know that I've only just started, but I had to, and it was... It's just so much more work than I can do. I just can't... Yeah. I'd I'd... Like, if if... Even if they got two or three... Sorry. Two or three, four years, then maybe I'd have a go. But I'm almost at the point where I'm going for seniors, and that's exclusively. That's right. Exactly. So I don't... Yeah. That's exactly right, which is kind of the vibe I'm semi going for. I I... I'd like the idea of teaming with other medium sized small mid... Small mids. You know? Like, I I I think that's kinda where... Like like, for example, that tender for the Barham River where you did the review. I I kinda wanna do a bit more of that so that, like, it's, yeah. Because it's like a team... Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. I I I think... I I I wouldn't want to go much more than 10, but even then, I I kinda almost don't wanna go much more than five. I I kinda like the four five. It's a nice... But like you're saying, I've missed out on flood... Big flood studies because of having less than five. So that's that's that's that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind going to that just to do... I miss the big flood size. I love I love a riverine flood size with a big river. But it... Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. I'm not all about it. But, yeah, unfortunately, Wrotech seems to have a pretty good hold on it still regardless of them. And Jules has been... I think Jules is hell bent on beating Watek and and WMS. I think he's he's he's going hard for him. So... Yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting. Anyway. Alright, mate. Thank you so much. I just wanted to chat to you. I'll... Alright. I'll speak to you soon. K. Bye. 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I genuinely can't believe it.\n\nIt's it's like a... It's... The model they gave me was a four meter grid for urban Melbourne. Four meter grid. Four meter.\n\nI couldn't... I was I was I was irate, Chris. And that's why I was I was... I'm glad you didn't pick up, to be honest, because I was... I I end up just rebuilding it and and, you know, I've copied the the amount of money it's cost me to rebuild it.\n\nBut I just... Genuinely was... I I just needed to see... Because the guy at the bottom was like, oh, we get flood impact assessments from from all the time, and and and they have this, this, and this. I'm like, no.\n\nThey don't. I don't believe you because what you've done is... Like, what you're asking is ridiculous. Like, this you can't give us a shitty model and then expect us... Sorry.\n\nGive... Then we give you the result that you gave the shitty model of and then tell us that, no. That's not good enough. Like, you you can't. That's not that's not how it works.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Ridiculous. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nNo. And I I just... I... It just felt like I was hitting my head against the wall. Like...\n\nAnd and I I I think I I really got my power up. Like, I really started to be like, no. You're wrong. And then it... He...\n\nI noticed that they started getting upset, and I was like, oh, shit. I just... I'll I'll just do it. Just just just stop this because, yeah, I was just getting into this argument, and the argument was so infuriating because they just didn't know what they were talking about. I was like, what is happening here?\n\nLike, what what what is happening in this ad account? So... And... Yeah. Anyway, I was just...\n\nI really needed to vent about it because I was like, what what the... What is happening? And and, like, I started doing peer reviews for some jobs, and there was a duplication project. And it was genuinely one of the worst one of the worst models I've ever seen do... It was, like, built for a key piece of infrastruct...\n\nLike, it's just crazy to me how bad it was. And it... That's it. Yeah. It...\n\nThat's exactly right. That's exactly right. Like, it it... You're... Oh my gosh.\n\nOh my gosh. I just... Yeah. And and it it was basically all week. Last week, I I was arguing, and then by by the time I...\n\nSorry. By the end of the week, I'm like, I'm just building it. I'm just rebuilding the whole thing. I don't care. I'll stay out late and finish it off and just done it and get it out.\n\nIt... It's so... It's the worst. It's the worst. And...\n\nBecause it is like... It's it's a whole week. It was like the full weekend that you just end up doing it. You're just like, I just... I I think what I was hoping was that maybe you had a bad experience with them, but it sounds like they've been okay with you.\n\nWhy were they so horrible with me? Oh my god. Yep. Yep. Exactly.\n\nExactly. Yeah. I... And I just... Yeah.\n\nI I I... It's kinda where I've got to now. I'm cutting down models so much just to make it, like, the most... And I've even started doing, like, roughness changes just to... Because I know that roughness would change the level off this site.\n\nSo I'll be like, oh, I'll just change it a little bit because they don't... They're not gonna know any better, and it's so dumb. So dumb. Okay. Okay.\n\nOkay. Okay. I got I got, like, critical errors with... And I ran it in the model formation that that you you meant to... That I asked for.\n\nI I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what... Like, getting critical errors in a model that should be running. It's just beyond me. It was just...\n\nOh. Oh, Maribyrdom. Yes. Yes. Yeah.\n\nOh my god. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nI... But I get away with it. Yeah. It's... Yes.\n\nI I I just don't... Like, because the one that I'm... The other one that I was talking to you about, which is just shit out. Like... So it's CPB and...\n\nOh, he's the guy that they've they've teamed with them for everything. They've done heaps of duplication and projects with them. Anyway, what... And there's another orange color. Whatever it is, it is honestly the most dog shit model that I've ever...\n\nLike... And and they did a they did a rural rain on grid model for a catchment that was over, like, a 100 hectares. And, like, it's... And and and then they were like, there there was a gauge downstream. Right?\n\nThere was a gauge downstream. Yes. There was a little township there, but they said, oh, no. We can't use the calibrated gauge because the township would change everything. Like, are you kidding me?\n\nYou can... You have to look at that gauge. That gauge is still relevant. It just... Just because there's a town...\n\nThis is something. Oh my god. I was I was losing it. I was losing it at this report. I couldn't believe it.\n\nIt's like how how it got through. I just... Yeah. Beyond me. Like, I I...\n\nIt's... It it kinda scares me how bad some of our competitors are, really. Yeah. Yep. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. That... That's the thing with me.\n\nLike, I I started going hard. I was like, okay. Heaps of assumptions, inclusions, all this kind of stuff, and we've had it come back to us as well, whereas, like, I know... Everyone else is doing it. We're just being open about what...\n\nHow, like, limited we are with flood modeling. That's just... That's right. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh.\n\nOkay. Good. I'm glad I'm glad that's what you did end up doing because that's what we ended up doing because, yeah, just... I was... I I needed to...\n\nI... Then and also just get someone else to be like, it's... It is ridiculous, but it is... We... You just do it.\n\nYes. Okay. So... Yes. Yes.\n\nYeah. We... We've we've actually noticed that some of the new subdivisions where they... Sorry. Actually, internally in Melbourne where, like, lots of work happens every year, it's just...\n\nIt's, like, meters off, which just can't be true. Like, there's... It's it's picked up. So I'm not sure what it's picked up, but it's not great. Yeah.\n\nYep. Yep. Yeah. I I just... Yeah.\n\nAnd I I think the other thing that gets me with the lighter is I'm I'm working on a farm job, and they've done heaps of work on the farm, but the lighter for the existing is so old. And so, like, it's it's almost import... It... It's impossible to show what they've actually done and what they should... You know what I mean?\n\nLike, there's no way that I can categorically say this is what it used to be like because waterways change so often. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's right.\n\nThat's where... And... Yeah. So I'm I'm... At the moment, we're we're essentially proposing that we have to go back to the 2008 LiDAR, which is just not what it should...\n\nThey should have to do, but that's what we have to get to because that's the best available information. Instead of, like, maybe rationally going out inside and being like, that's definitely been filled. How about we just get rid of that fill? Instead, we just... We we have to be like, no.\n\nYou have to cut back and, you know, it's just... It's it's backwards. It just doesn't... It's not the way it should be done. Yeah.\n\nYep. And I just feel like there's an... Almost an indoctrination at the moment going on with Melbourne Water where it's like they... One... If one of them starts getting really harsh, they all just seem to jump on board and then...\n\nLike like, even the the lady who used to work for WaterTech, she was never that harsh. And now I talk to her, I'm like, what are you talking about? What is this? Nazarene. Yeah.\n\nShe was. And and I just... Like, sometimes I listen to her. Okay. I I I appreciate that you've moved to a different work space, and you do need to be a bit more, maybe rigid, but, like, it's always it's always they get brought in to become militant almost.\n\nIt's just very... It's it's... Like, this is the way. This is Melbourne's water. You know?\n\nThis is the way. I don't know. What... Whatever that maybe is from. You know?\n\nLike, it's just... That's right. Exactly. Exactly. And it just...\n\nYeah. It gets me so much. It's just like, how do you have a rough... Rational conversation about something? With...\n\nAnd I... Every time it just feels like they think that you're a 100% only doing things just for the developers. Like, I don't give a shit about the developer. If it gets through, it gets through. Great.\n\nBut for me, it's getting the water... That's right. That's right. I just wanna get the... I just wanna make sure that it's safe and that we're we're we're doing the right thing.\n\nSo why why is it... And and it just feels like, no. You're working for that developer. You know, you're on the bad side. You're like, come on.\n\nCome on. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know, mate.\n\nHonestly, like, even just even just, like, sometimes it's like, oh, you didn't test enough scenarios. You could eat me. Like, I had that with, like, the 10 mil. It's like, I... That's...\n\nIf that's that's... It's kilobytes. Big time. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nAnd I'm sorry. We do run over the same one as well. We run over the same one. Just if it's a small iteration, we don't usually create a whole new run just for a small iteration. That's not the point.\n\nThat's not the point. And I just feel like it's, like, they've lost the... They've lost that. That's what... Like, engineering is about iterative.\n\nWe work towards a better solution. You work... We don't just plot something and say, yeah, that's good enough, and then done. That's not... We can't...\n\nLike, our modeling never allows us. We're we're so confined with most of our floodplains, and and so there's so much shit in it. That's right. Right? Like...\n\nExactly. Exactly. Otherwise, why wouldn't you object to it? Anyway. Anyway.\n\nIt's... Yeah. It's just... It's... Yeah.\n\nIt... I'm I'm looking forward to this because I think it really needs to be pushed, but I really wanna push... I think I'll I'll keep it reiterating with them that they need more training with it because it's just it's... It... I think they just need to learn how to how to...\n\nMaybe even just flood modeling training, honestly. Like, maybe just... That's... Yes. That's a good point.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. No.\n\nAbsolutely. And and... Yeah. Because yes and everyone else will tell you the exact same thing. That's absolutely true.\n\nAnd and it's not just a number, but, again, we've just kinda gone back to that tick box even though the whole purpose of the... Of AFlex is to come away a little bit from the tick box. Just... Yep. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the that's probably...\n\nI think that's the one... One of the things that grants me is is when I come back and they argue about it. Like, actually, I I know that really well. I I helped write the part of it. You know?\n\nI did the research on it. Anyway... Yeah. It's a... That's right.\n\nThat's right. Good. Good. How's... And how's...\n\nYeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. How's how's the engineer? How's our engineer?\n\nNeil. God. Jesus Christ. Yeah. Yep.\n\nOkay. Good. Oh, good. Good. Glad.\n\nYeah. I've heard that too. We've... I've met a few of them, actually. Yeah.\n\nThey're they're not particularly happy with what that means. But I find engineering a little bit... Pardon? Oh, the... So the first few people I've spoken to have just said that the culture has already started changing.\n\nSo apparently, in Queensland, perhaps so many people left the Queensland office because of that exact same thing. So apparently, they came in... Queensland wasn't earning as much money, so they basically cleared the house a little bit more and and brought in their own systems and everything like that whilst they haven't been... They haven't done that in Melbourne until recently because Melbourne was running so well. And now they've kind of starting to change everything.\n\nAnd so quite a few people have reached out to be like, yeah. I'm I'm close to going. And they're losing. But I find engineering really difficult because I I do not like their... I just don't...\n\nI'm I'm kinda scarred. Look. I know they've gotten so much better at flood modeling, but I'm kinda scarred from how bad they were. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nThat's exactly right. That's exactly right. And so I'm kinda like... People who... They wanna come out like, I don't know if you're gonna actually be able to handle us as a small business.\n\nThat's right. Yeah. Right? Like... And and so it's just kinda like...\n\nTrying to find that right person. Like, I met one of them, and they said they'd only been doing large fund studies, like... And they've been working on one for the last four or five years. I'm like, that's one model. How...\n\nAnd I just... I I couldn't... I I just don't know how they could possibly go from that. At the moment, we've got 20 projects going, just two of us. How they could possibly go from that to that.\n\nI just don't think they could. I just don't know if that would translate because that's that's a... It's the big difference. Yeah. Totally.\n\nTotally. And and and you understand the differences in how things are assessed, first of all, secondly, just even how different floodplains respond. And they they do. They're completely different. You can never a 100% tell, but if you've been using one giant model forever, you just become so...\n\nThis... It's just... It's the same thing. It's... There's no rule variety.\n\nSo... Yeah. That's right. Yes. It seems like that, because I I have seen a second a few other people who've been looking for seniors, and they've just said that it's really difficult.\n\nThey they haven't found anyone that can fit in. So I think even Jules was looking for one recently and hasn't got anyone in. So, yeah, it's it's interesting. Yeah. Anyway.\n\nI I think I'm done, honestly. I think that... Neil might have been my last junior. I know that I've only just started, but I had to, and it was... It's just so much more work than I can do.\n\nI just can't... Yeah. I'd I'd... Like, if if... Even if they got two or three...\n\nSorry. Two or three, four years, then maybe I'd have a go. But I'm almost at the point where I'm going for seniors, and that's exclusively. That's right. Exactly.\n\nSo I don't... Yeah. That's exactly right, which is kind of the vibe I'm semi going for. I I... I'd like the idea of teaming with other medium sized small mid...\n\nSmall mids. You know? Like, I I I think that's kinda where... Like like, for example, that tender for the Barham River where you did the review. I I kinda wanna do a bit more of that so that, like, it's, yeah.\n\nBecause it's like a team... Yeah. Yeah. That's right. Yeah.\n\nI I I think... I I I wouldn't want to go much more than 10, but even then, I I kinda almost don't wanna go much more than five. I I kinda like the four five. It's a nice... But like you're saying, I've missed out on flood...\n\nBig flood studies because of having less than five. So that's that's that's that's right. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.\n\nSo I wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind going to that just to do... I miss the big flood size. I love I love a riverine flood size with a big river. But it... Yeah.\n\nInteresting. Yeah. I'm not all about it. But, yeah, unfortunately, Wrotech seems to have a pretty good hold on it still regardless of them. And Jules has been...\n\nI think Jules is hell bent on beating Watek and and WMS. I think he's he's he's going hard for him. So... Yeah. It's interesting.\n\nIt's interesting. Anyway. Alright, mate. Thank you so much. I just wanted to chat to you.\n\nI'll... Alright. I'll speak to you soon. K. Bye.\n\nBye.","paragraphs":[{"sentences":[{"text":"Hi, Chris.","start":1.52,"end":2.0,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.09443452581763268},{"text":"How are you?","start":2.0,"end":2.82,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.10286467522382736},{"text":"I'm good.","start":4.72,"end":5.44,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.42540837824344635},{"text":"I'm good.","start":5.44,"end":6.2599998,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4239088296890259},{"text":"How's your weekend?","start":6.3999996,"end":7.2999997,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.16200454036394754}],"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.2235092595219612,"num_words":12,"start":1.52,"end":7.2999997},{"sentences":[{"text":"Yeah.","start":11.04,"end":11.5199995,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.034851621836423874},{"text":"I'm...","start":11.5199995,"end":11.679999,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0034715146757662296},{"text":"I think I'm gonna test 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How are you? Just work my way through your secretary and Fair enough. That's right. I'm a week late. But... Alright. That's Luke still. He's alright, isn't he? Yeah. That's that's just the start, Alex. It is just the start. I'm starting to get some of these model... Melbourne Water models by Darebin Council. I'm like, your model's fucking shit. And they're like, we just spend millions on this. You're like, yeah. But it doesn't do what you want it to do. What do you want me to do? Wow. It's funny. Like, it... And at at the heart of all these problems is is that we think that these models give us three decimal place precision. But they do give us three decimal place precision, but accuracy... And it's like, you try and explain this stuff and you're like, what the model is saying that water goes roughly over there, and if we can make water roughly go over there and not really change the the rate, we're good. But that's not what we do, is it? Yeah. Yeah. But as long as it met the AFIX provision, then it's okay. Like, it's it's fucking mad how the world's going in this space. How many times will you do that? You just gotta fuck it. I'll just copy it. I'll just cop the extra hours. I'll just do it because it... I'm not... I'm sick of arguing on this, but... Yeah. I'm... I I think I gave up, actually. Probably like... I took your comment at the Melbourne meeting the other day to heart. I'm like, no. You're right. I should stop arguing about the boundaries and just fucking cut it where where where it'll exclude all of the the stuff that you're happy to show, but it doesn't really make anything. It's... Yeah. It... Because otherwise, you end up arguing with some, yeah, two g two five mobile going, woah. You're showing a fox here. You're like, no. No. I'm in the fucking freak. Yeah. No. I guess I have doing dumb stuff. But... Yeah. With the marooned ones, we... All we do now is we take their big model, we rerun it with a bunch of PO lines in, take the worst case PO line, and then we build a a localized little model. So I just take it offline. I don't try and argue with their big model anymore because I've done that for years. It's kinda... Yeah. There's there's a whole heap of pit spew problems with it. There's a whole heap of... Yeah. Yeah. We just we just got a copy of the... I'm gonna have to get the council, but what's the one above Hobson's Bay in there? That's no. No. Next to it. But anyway, they... They've just released those models from Memorial. They've just put them up on the public consultation. We're doing some work that's essentially VicRoads, and so they gave us the model because they were arguing, well, you need to do this and this and this. They gave us the model. Right? The hydrology doesn't make the current standard. The hydraulics doesn't make the current standard. 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No. And then, like, you're in the meeting, and Barman was saying this stuff. And someone said, oh, look. We'll just do whatever you don't want to say. And I said, to be fair, I haven't actually heard from Melbourne Water because it's Shiva, like someone someone who doesn't know any of the technical detail. So you get consultants all care no responsibility, and they're all for the big guys, so it's all nose in the trough stuff. Very... And it's... Yeah. It's Jacob's model. Missed all the vics. We've spent millions on this stuff, and we've actually got worse information than what we had. I'm probably pushing up. Yeah. And even even if it's out by 20%, like, at least it's a data point that you can go, man, the gauge is probably saying something. Yeah. But this this is this is the thing. But this is what's starting to get me is, like, we actually get hurt... We get whacked more for trying to show... Like, I show all our workings now. Like, I give them a a QA file that says, here's all the stuff that we assumed in the model. And they they they go through that and then they hit you on it. You're like, I should just give you nothing and just a couple of pretty pictures and... Yeah. Where these assumptions are. Yeah. Yep. You know the other one we were actually starting to notice? The o eight lidar is pretty average. We all kinda know that. The eight lidar is pretty good, and the 24 lidar tends to be worse than the eight lidar. So if you just flip through your lighter, you get completely different answers. That... Well, they they use a different algorithm every time. So there's no reason that it should be exactly the same. And and where it comes up, when you do any of those fill jobs, which you had doing, but occasionally you get involved in, and no more effect. They fill by 85,000,000 cubes. And you're like, well, that would be this many trucks twenty four hours a day for two years. So I'm pretty sure that number's wrong. And then and then you'd look at the lot and... Yeah. Eventually, you sort of come through. Oh, no. It's just the lot of differences and the different algorithm they've applied. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Five normative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we should be in count... We have one from council. Anyway, we'll just show what the what the survey on survey is. You're like, we don't have a survey from 2010. We've got this shitty 2008 lidar, but, like, I wouldn't hang my hat on it. It really is. The Melbourne Water staff in particular just need to get out of the office more often. Like, just the number of jobs you're like, well, when you go and start and you look at it, you go, yeah. No. They've done that, but they haven't done that. And water would go over there, but it wouldn't go over there just because you're an engineer and that's what you do in life. But, yeah, this this tied to the desk stuff is not not helping the industry. Yeah. Because I... Which one's that one? Is that... Well, okay. She's from Exit Water, is she? Yeah. Yeah. You will you will respect my authority. No. To to be honest, I don't even know their name most of the time. I just don't. Yep. Yep. Like, I did one I did one the other day. It hasn't been remediated, but I'm sure it's gonna get rejected. They're doing a bit of a development next to the floodplain, and we designed in, like, a little dry creek bed as the mitigation option so we could get some riparian benefits and, you know, you'd you'd sort of get a holistic picture. And it was very hard to hold anyone to. So I basically put the the requirement as you must remove 16 meters cubed of of soil in the floodplain in this area here with a, you know, river or creek kinda design. And and you just know that the person will come back and go, well, you should do this and you should make this primary. You're like, yeah. But we're water people. We're meant to make the water better. So you've gotta think more than just the Aflox. Like, you gotta think how is this gonna sit in context and environment and how it's all gonna hold together. No. Hang on. I'll... Maybe I'll be maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe they'll they'll love it. Say yes. First text. Oh, that's that's that's the first thing. At this review thing, that's the first thing we've gotta we gotta kill. Oh, you have to test scenarios. Like, no. Most of the time, we've done a dozen. Yep. We only report on three or so because otherwise, our reports are a 150 pages. But, like, we're trying to put a table in there of the ones we do, but, like, you wish we run the model 20 or 30 times before you you you you land on one. No. Of course. Yeah. Yeah. Good. Yeah. You... You've gotta prove that you haven't met zero. Come on. Like, we're only doing this model because we know we can't meet zero. Yeah. Or risk risk based decision making. That's what Reg always says. It's because it's... Like, we put that little picture on the the risk is a fact that is a is a Venn diagram of hazard, vulnerability, and exposure. We're putting that in all our reports at the moment because all we're all we're assessing all you're assessing is the hazard component. You've forgotten about the exposure and the vulnerability, and and they're just as important. Yeah. I did say in this Melbourne Water meeting the other day, the authors of the... What do they call it? APN at Aflox Practice Night. The authors of the APN would not agree with that assessment, which I could say confidently as I'm one of the authors. Yeah. Yes. Why is it 10 millimeters? Because that's what we've moved it to. Fascinating. Anyway, now it's always always worth a bitch. Neil. Yeah. Good. Yeah. He's learning. Yeah. Yeah. It's... Yeah. Yeah. He's... Yeah. He's a graduate. He knows as much as he knows, but... Yeah. He's getting there. So... Yeah. We just had a... We had a hole that we were trying to fill, so he's filling it. Yeah. That being said, getting quite a... Getting a few niggles from... In Jenny at the moment. Quite a few people looking to leave there. Have you got to the bottom of what... What's happening? Have you got to the bottom of what is happening that's making them not heavy? Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Barely does. Case in point case in point, the maroona model that you're using. And you were get... And you were getting paid at a lot, and you were working from home, and you were kind of on the gravy train. Yeah. One model just rerun, rerun, rerun, run. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you only learn so much on one model. Like, you... Yes. When you're exposed to 20 models a week, you learn a lot more a lot quicker. Yeah. And and your your solution you go to is a big solution. And sometimes big solutions are right and sometimes big solutions aren't. And knowing knowing when to apply which one is... Yeah. It's a trick, but I don't know. I think there's gonna be... We saw this 2008, 2009, and a lot of flood models were coming out of... Although more strange people at Not a lot of people ran two d models back then. But... And they come out of the mines or come out of tier one. And I was at water checking. They were asking for big wages, and you're like, it's just not worth it. Sorry. So there was a there was a bit of a realignment, and and maybe you were sort of heading into one of those periods again. Yeah. Yeah. So I had a few of the ads. It's a tricky time. And then you'd... Like, at the same time, you're of going well, I'm not I'm not gonna get too many juniors now because AI can do so much. Yeah. I'm like I said to you, even if you wanna get bigger. But there is a world where you stay where you are. Yeah. That kind of stuff. Yeah. A bit of it's where you're pitching the market as well. Look, I I don't really wanna be more than 10 ish number that I've been at for now five or six years because, yeah, that's a that's a number where you can still touch everything, but you've got enough resources that you can jump on something. But it's just hard to keep keep people at that number as well. So... Yes. Yeah. Well, five gets you a secretary, and the secretary does all of this QA stuff for you, all of that, you know, tendering and stuff. There. I'm happy to review them. I don't have enough building. I'm just... Yeah. Again, big model. Fair enough. Alright. I'll just... No worries. Anytime. Alright. Cheers. 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So I'm pretty sure that number's wrong. And then and then you'd look at the lot and... Yeah.\n\nEventually, you sort of come through. Oh, no. It's just the lot of differences and the different algorithm they've applied. Yeah. Yep.\n\nYep. Five normative. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nWell, we should be in count... We have one from council. Anyway, we'll just show what the what the survey on survey is. You're like, we don't have a survey from 2010. We've got this shitty 2008 lidar, but, like, I wouldn't hang my hat on it.\n\nIt really is. The Melbourne Water staff in particular just need to get out of the office more often. Like, just the number of jobs you're like, well, when you go and start and you look at it, you go, yeah. No. They've done that, but they haven't done that.\n\nAnd water would go over there, but it wouldn't go over there just because you're an engineer and that's what you do in life. But, yeah, this this tied to the desk stuff is not not helping the industry. Yeah. 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We're meant to make the water better.\n\nSo you've gotta think more than just the Aflox. Like, you gotta think how is this gonna sit in context and environment and how it's all gonna hold together. No. Hang on. I'll...\n\nMaybe I'll be maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe they'll they'll love it. Say yes. First text. Oh, that's that's that's the first thing.\n\nAt this review thing, that's the first thing we've gotta we gotta kill. Oh, you have to test scenarios. Like, no. Most of the time, we've done a dozen. Yep.\n\nWe only report on three or so because otherwise, our reports are a 150 pages. But, like, we're trying to put a table in there of the ones we do, but, like, you wish we run the model 20 or 30 times before you you you you land on one. No. Of course. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Good. Yeah. You... You've gotta prove that you haven't met zero.\n\nCome on. Like, we're only doing this model because we know we can't meet zero. Yeah. Or risk risk based decision making. That's what Reg always says.\n\nIt's because it's... Like, we put that little picture on the the risk is a fact that is a is a Venn diagram of hazard, vulnerability, and exposure. We're putting that in all our reports at the moment because all we're all we're assessing all you're assessing is the hazard component. You've forgotten about the exposure and the vulnerability, and and they're just as important. Yeah.\n\nI did say in this Melbourne Water meeting the other day, the authors of the... What do they call it? APN at Aflox Practice Night. The authors of the APN would not agree with that assessment, which I could say confidently as I'm one of the authors. Yeah.\n\nYes. Why is it 10 millimeters? Because that's what we've moved it to. Fascinating. Anyway, now it's always always worth a bitch.\n\nNeil. Yeah. Good. Yeah. He's learning.\n\nYeah. Yeah. It's... Yeah. Yeah.\n\nHe's... Yeah. He's a graduate. He knows as much as he knows, but... Yeah.\n\nHe's getting there. So... Yeah. 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Look, I I don't really wanna be more than 10 ish number that I've been at for now five or six years because, yeah, that's a that's a number where you can still touch everything, but you've got enough resources that you can jump on something. But it's just hard to keep keep people at that number as well.\n\nSo... Yes. Yeah. Well, five gets you a secretary, and the secretary does all of this QA stuff for you, all of that, you know, tendering and stuff. There.\n\nI'm happy to review them. I don't have enough building. I'm just... Yeah. Again, big model.\n\nFair enough. Alright. I'll just... No worries. Anytime.\n\nAlright. Cheers. 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How are you?\n\nChannel 1: I'm alright. How are you?\n\nChannel 0: I'm good. I'm good. How's\n\nChannel 1: Just\n\nChannel 0: your weekend?\n\nChannel 1: work my way through your secretary and\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I'm... I think I'm gonna test it. I I liked it for a bit, but people have told me that it sounds like an answering machine, so people just hang up.\n\nChannel 1: Fair enough.\n\nChannel 0: So... Yep. Great fun. Anyway, thanks so much for calling me. I've...\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: Has...\n\nChannel 1: right.\n\nChannel 0: Have\n\nChannel 1: I'm a\n\nChannel 0: a...\n\nChannel 1: week late. But...\n\nChannel 0: Oh, no. It's all good. I end up sorting it out. I just needed to complain about Maroondah City Council.\n\nChannel 1: Alright. That's Luke still. He's alright, isn't he?\n\nChannel 0: So is it Luke?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Because I... I've been speaking to Subada, and his responses have been, like, just absolutely rubbish. And and, like, not even under... Like, I I gave him a flood level. I said that their model was terrible.\n\nI said I tried to fix up their model. They wanted me to use the model they wanted... I said that they had. And then I end up rebuilding the whole thing to one meter, had the exact same finished level. And they're like, no.\n\nYou can't. We we have to... You have to write a\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: full new report. Like, what... I just...\n\nChannel 1: that's just the start, Alex. It is just the start. I'm starting to\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: get some of these model... Melbourne Water models by Darebin Council. I'm like, your model's fucking shit.\n\nChannel 0: Shocking.\n\nChannel 1: And they're like, we just spend millions on this. You're like, yeah. But it doesn't do what you want it to do. What do you want me to do?\n\nChannel 0: Oh, I just... I genuinely can't believe it. It's it's like a... It's... 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I'm like, no.\n\nYou're right. I should stop arguing about the boundaries and just fucking cut it where where where it'll exclude all of the the stuff that you're happy to show, but it doesn't\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: really make anything. It's...\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. It... Because otherwise, you end up arguing with some, yeah, two g two five mobile going, woah. You're showing a fox here. You're like, no.\n\nNo. I'm in the fucking freak.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I... And I just...\n\nYeah. I I I... It's kinda where I've got to now. I'm cutting down models so much just to make it, like, the most... And I've even started doing, like, roughness changes just to...\n\nBecause I know that roughness would change the level off this site. So I'll be like,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: oh, I'll just change it a little bit because they don't... They're not gonna know any better,\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: and\n\nChannel 1: I guess I have doing dumb stuff. But... Yeah. With\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: so\n\nChannel 1: marooned\n\nChannel 0: dumb.\n\nChannel 1: ones, we... All we\n\nChannel 0: So\n\nChannel 1: do\n\nChannel 0: dumb.\n\nChannel 1: now is we take their big model, we rerun it with a bunch of PO lines in, take the worst case PO line, and then we build a a localized little model.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: So I just take it offline. I don't try and argue with their big model anymore\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: because I've done that for years. It's kinda...\n\nChannel 0: Okay. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. There's there's a whole heap of pit spew problems with it. There's a whole heap of... Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I got I got, like, critical errors with... And I ran it in the model formation that that you you meant to... That I asked for. I I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what...\n\nLike, getting critical errors in a model that should be running. It's just beyond me. It was just... Oh.\n\nChannel 1: We just we just got a copy of the... I'm gonna have to get the council,\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: but what's the one above Hobson's Bay in there?\n\nChannel 0: Maribyrdom.\n\nChannel 1: That's no. No. Next to it. But anyway, they... They've just released those models from Memorial.\n\nThey've just put them up on the public consultation. We're doing some\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: work that's essentially VicRoads, and so they gave us the model because they were arguing, well, you need to do this and this and this. They gave us the model. Right? The hydrology\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: doesn't make the current standard. The hydraulics doesn't make the current standard. The hydraulics, they haven't they haven't put any of the VicRoads major collets in. Why? Because VicRoads wouldn't have supplied it to them.\n\nThey haven't been on-site. So, like, you get the fundamental differences in your starting point. And then... So I've rebuilt their model. I've put it in there, like, oh, you haven't run...\n\nLike, it's a really little roundabout thing. So\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: we said, can we just run that that bit rainfall on grid? We'll keep all the rest as pit to you. We'll just run that bit. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nSo we do that. We run a couple of durations on one and a short one. They come back and go, oh, you're from that bit rainfall on grid. You're gonna have to run every single duration, every single temple pattern, and then give us\n\nChannel 0: Oh my\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: god.\n\nChannel 1: new critical duration. I'm like, that's not what the tech specs say. They say run it in the hydrology and then come backwards. From my fault, you've got a shit model. I've already modeled...\n\nI've already rebuilt it twice. No. And then, like, you're in the meeting, and Barman was saying this stuff. And someone said, oh, look. We'll just do whatever you don't want to say.\n\nAnd I said, to be fair, I haven't actually heard from Melbourne Water because it's Shiva, like someone someone who doesn't know any of the technical detail.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: So you get consultants\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: all care no responsibility, and they're all for the big guys, so it's all nose in the trough stuff.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Very... And it's... Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: It's Jacob's\n\nChannel 0: I...\n\nChannel 1: model.\n\nChannel 0: But I\n\nChannel 1: Missed\n\nChannel 0: get away\n\nChannel 1: all the\n\nChannel 0: with\n\nChannel 1: vics.\n\nChannel 0: it. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: We've spent millions on this stuff, and we've actually got worse information than what we had.\n\nChannel 0: It's... Yes. I I I just don't... Like, because the one that I'm... The other one that I was talking to you about, which is just shit out.\n\nLike... So it's CPB and... Oh, he's the guy that they've they've teamed with them for everything. They've done heaps of duplication and projects with them. Anyway, what...\n\nAnd there's another orange color. Whatever it is, it is honestly the most dog shit model that I've ever... Like... And and they did a they did a rural rain on grid model for a catchment that was over, like, a 100 hectares. And, like,\n\nChannel 1: I'm\n\nChannel 0: it's...\n\nChannel 1: probably pushing\n\nChannel 0: And and\n\nChannel 1: up.\n\nChannel 0: and then they were like, there there was a gauge downstream. Right? There was a gauge downstream. Yes. There was a little township there, but they said, oh, no.\n\nWe can't use the calibrated gauge because the township would change everything. Like, are you kidding me? You can... You have to look at that gauge. That gauge is still relevant.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: It just...\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: Just\n\nChannel 1: even\n\nChannel 0: because\n\nChannel 1: even\n\nChannel 0: there's\n\nChannel 1: if it's\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: out\n\nChannel 0: town...\n\nChannel 1: by 20%, like, at least it's a data point that you\n\nChannel 0: This is something.\n\nChannel 1: can go, man,\n\nChannel 0: Oh my god. I was I was losing\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: it. I was losing it at this\n\nChannel 1: gauge\n\nChannel 0: report. I couldn't believe it. It's\n\nChannel 1: is\n\nChannel 0: like how how it got\n\nChannel 1: probably\n\nChannel 0: through. I just...\n\nChannel 1: saying\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Beyond me. Like,\n\nChannel 1: something.\n\nChannel 0: I I... It's... It it kinda\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: scares me how bad some of our competitors\n\nChannel 1: But this\n\nChannel 0: are, really.\n\nChannel 1: this is this is the thing. But this is what's starting to get me is, like, we actually get hurt... We get whacked more for trying to show... Like, I show all our workings now. Like, I give\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: them a a QA file that says, here's all the stuff that we assumed in the model. And they they\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: they\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: go through that and then they hit you on it. You're like, I should just give you nothing and just a couple\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: of pretty\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: pictures and...\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. That... That's the thing with me. Like, I I started going hard. I was like, okay.\n\nHeaps of assumptions, inclusions, all this kind of stuff, and we've had it\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: come back to us as well, whereas, like, I know... Everyone else is doing it. We're just being open about what... How, like, limited we are\n\nChannel 1: Where these\n\nChannel 0: with flood\n\nChannel 1: assumptions\n\nChannel 0: modeling.\n\nChannel 1: are.\n\nChannel 0: That's just...\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay. Good.\n\nI'm glad I'm glad that's what you did end up doing because that's what we ended up doing because, yeah, just... I was... I I needed to... I... Then and also just get someone else to be like, it's...\n\nIt is ridiculous, but it\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: is... We... You just do it.\n\nChannel 1: You know the other one we were actually starting to notice? The o eight lidar is pretty average. We all kinda know that. The eight lidar is pretty good, and the 24 lidar tends to be worse than the eight lidar.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: So...\n\nChannel 1: if you just flip\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: through your lighter, you get completely different answers.\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Yeah. We... We've we've actually noticed that some of the new subdivisions where they... Sorry.\n\nActually, internally in Melbourne where, like, lots of work happens every year, it's just... It's, like, meters off, which just can't be true. Like, there's... It's it's picked up. So I'm not sure what it's picked up, but it's not great.\n\nChannel 1: That... Well, they they use a different algorithm every time. So there's no reason that it should be exactly the same. And and where it comes up, when you do any of those fill jobs, which you had doing, but occasionally you get\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: involved in, and no more effect. They fill by 85,000,000 cubes. And you're like, well, that would be this many trucks twenty four hours a day for two years. So I'm pretty sure that number's wrong.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: And then\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: and then you'd look at the lot and... Yeah. Eventually, you sort of come through. Oh, no. It's just the lot of differences and the different algorithm they've applied.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I just... Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Five\n\nChannel 0: And\n\nChannel 1: normative.\n\nChannel 0: I I think the other thing that gets me with the lighter is I'm I'm working on a farm job, and they've done heaps of work on the farm, but the lighter for the existing is so old. And so, like, it's it's almost import... It... It's impossible to show what they've actually done and what they should... You know what I mean?\n\nLike, there's no\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: way that I can\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: categorically\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: say this is what it used to be like because\n\nChannel 1: Well,\n\nChannel 0: waterways\n\nChannel 1: we should be\n\nChannel 0: change\n\nChannel 1: in count...\n\nChannel 0: so often.\n\nChannel 1: We have one from council. Anyway, we'll just show what the what the survey on survey is. You're like, we don't have a survey from 2010.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: We've\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: got this shitty 2008 lidar, but, like, I wouldn't hang my hat on it.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. That's right. That's where... And... Yeah.\n\nSo I'm I'm... At the moment, we're we're essentially proposing that we have to go back to the 2008 LiDAR, which is just not what it should... They should have to do, but that's what we have to get to because that's the best available information. Instead of, like, maybe rationally going out inside and being like, that's definitely been filled. How about we just get rid of that fill?\n\nInstead, we just... We we have to be like, no. You have to cut back and, you know, it's just... It's it's backwards. It just doesn't...\n\nChannel 1: It\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: really\n\nChannel 0: not\n\nChannel 1: is.\n\nChannel 0: the way it should be done.\n\nChannel 1: The Melbourne Water staff in particular just need to get out of the office more often. Like, just the number of jobs you're like, well, when you go and start and you look at it, you go, yeah. No. They've done that, but they haven't done that. And water\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: would go over there, but it wouldn't go over there just because you're an engineer and that's what you do in life. But,\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, this this tied to the desk stuff is not not helping the industry.\n\nChannel 0: And I just feel like there's an... Almost an indoctrination at the moment going on with Melbourne Water where it's like they... One... If one of them starts getting really harsh, they all just seem to jump on board and\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: then...\n\nChannel 1: Because\n\nChannel 0: Like\n\nChannel 1: I...\n\nChannel 0: like, even the the lady who used to work for WaterTech, she was never that harsh. And now I talk to her, I'm like, what are you talking about?\n\nChannel 1: Which\n\nChannel 0: What\n\nChannel 1: one's\n\nChannel 0: is this?\n\nChannel 1: that one?\n\nChannel 0: Nazarene.\n\nChannel 1: Is that... Well, okay. She's from Exit Water, is she?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: She was. And and I just... Like, sometimes I listen to her. Okay. I I I appreciate that you've moved to a different work space, and you do need to be a bit more, maybe rigid, but, like, it's always it's always they get brought in to become militant almost.\n\nIt's just very... It's it's... Like, this is the way. This is Melbourne's water. You know?\n\nThis is the way. I don't know. What... Whatever that\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: maybe is from.\n\nChannel 1: You\n\nChannel 0: You know?\n\nChannel 1: will\n\nChannel 0: Like, it's\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: just...\n\nChannel 1: will respect my authority.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. Exactly. Exactly. And it just... Yeah.\n\nIt gets me so much. It's just like, how do you have a rough... Rational conversation about something? With... And I...\n\nEvery time it just feels like they think that you're a 100% only doing things just for the developers. Like, I don't give a shit about the developer. If it gets through, it gets through. Great.\n\nChannel 1: No. To\n\nChannel 0: But\n\nChannel 1: to\n\nChannel 0: for\n\nChannel 1: be\n\nChannel 0: me,\n\nChannel 1: honest, I\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: don't\n\nChannel 0: getting\n\nChannel 1: even know\n\nChannel 0: the water...\n\nChannel 1: their name most of the time.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: I just\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: don't.\n\nChannel 0: right. I just wanna get the... I just wanna make sure that it's safe and that we're\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: we're we're doing the right thing. So\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: why why is it... And and it just feels like, no. You're working for that developer. You know, you're on the bad side. You're like, come on.\n\nCome\n\nChannel 1: Like,\n\nChannel 0: on.\n\nChannel 1: I did one I did one the other day. It hasn't been remediated, but I'm sure it's gonna get rejected. They're doing a bit of a development next to the floodplain, and we designed in, like, a little dry creek bed as the mitigation option so we could get some riparian benefits and, you know, you'd you'd sort of get a holistic picture.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: And it was very hard to hold anyone to. So I basically put the the requirement as you must remove 16 meters cubed of of soil in the floodplain\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: in this area here with a, you know, river or creek kinda design. And\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: and you just know that the person will come back and go, well, you should do this and you should make this primary. You're like, yeah. But we're water people. We're meant to make the water better. So you've gotta think\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: more than just the Aflox. Like, you gotta think\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: how is this gonna sit in context and environment and how it's all gonna hold together. No.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Hang on. I'll... Maybe I'll be maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe they'll they'll love it.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I don't know,\n\nChannel 1: Say\n\nChannel 0: mate.\n\nChannel 1: yes.\n\nChannel 0: Honestly,\n\nChannel 1: First\n\nChannel 0: like,\n\nChannel 1: text.\n\nChannel 0: even just even just, like, sometimes it's like, oh, you didn't test enough scenarios. You could eat me.\n\nChannel 1: Oh,\n\nChannel 0: Like,\n\nChannel 1: that's\n\nChannel 0: I had that with, like, the 10 mil. It's like, I... That's...\n\nChannel 1: that's\n\nChannel 0: If\n\nChannel 1: that's\n\nChannel 0: that's\n\nChannel 1: the first thing.\n\nChannel 0: that's...\n\nChannel 1: At this review\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: thing,\n\nChannel 0: kilobytes.\n\nChannel 1: that's the first thing we've gotta we gotta kill. Oh,\n\nChannel 0: Big\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: time.\n\nChannel 1: have to test\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: scenarios. Like, no. Most of the time, we've done a dozen.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: We only report on three or so because otherwise, our reports are a 150 pages. But,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: like, we're trying to put a table in there of the ones we do, but, like, you wish we run the model 20 or 30 times before\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: you you\n\nChannel 0: And I'm sorry.\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: We\n\nChannel 1: land\n\nChannel 0: do\n\nChannel 1: on\n\nChannel 0: run\n\nChannel 1: one.\n\nChannel 0: over the same one as well. We run over the same one. Just if it's a small iteration, we don't usually create a whole new\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: run just for a small\n\nChannel 1: Of\n\nChannel 0: iteration.\n\nChannel 1: course.\n\nChannel 0: That's not the point.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: not the point. And I just\n\nChannel 1: Good.\n\nChannel 0: feel like it's, like, they've lost the... They've lost that. That's what... Like, engineering is about iterative. We work towards a better solution.\n\nYou work... We don't just plot something and say, yeah, that's good enough, and then done. That's not...\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: We can't... Like, our modeling never allows us. We're we're so confined with most of our floodplains,\n\nChannel 1: You... You've\n\nChannel 0: and and so\n\nChannel 1: gotta\n\nChannel 0: there's\n\nChannel 1: prove\n\nChannel 0: so\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: much\n\nChannel 1: you haven't\n\nChannel 0: shit\n\nChannel 1: met\n\nChannel 0: in it.\n\nChannel 1: zero. Come on.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: Like, we're only\n\nChannel 0: Right?\n\nChannel 1: doing this\n\nChannel 0: Like...\n\nChannel 1: model because we know we can't meet zero.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly. Exactly. Otherwise, why wouldn't you object to it? Anyway. Anyway.\n\nIt's... Yeah. It's just... It's... Yeah.\n\nIt... I'm I'm looking forward to this because I think it really needs to be pushed, but I really wanna push...\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I think I'll I'll keep it reiterating with them that they need more training with it because it's just it's... It... I think they just need to learn how to how to... Maybe even just flood modeling training, honestly. Like,\n\nChannel 1: Or\n\nChannel 0: maybe\n\nChannel 1: risk\n\nChannel 0: just...\n\nChannel 1: risk based decision making. That's\n\nChannel 0: That's...\n\nChannel 1: what Reg\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: always says. It's\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: because\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: it's...\n\nChannel 0: good point.\n\nChannel 1: Like, we put that little picture on the the risk is a fact that is a is a Venn diagram of hazard,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: vulnerability, and exposure. We're putting that in all our reports at the moment because all we're all we're assessing all you're assessing is the hazard component. You've forgotten about the exposure and the vulnerability, and and they're\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: just as important.\n\nChannel 0: Yep. Yeah. No. Absolutely. And and...\n\nYeah. Because yes and everyone else will tell you the exact same thing. That's absolutely true. And and\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it's not just a number, but, again, we've just kinda gone back to that tick box even though the whole purpose of the... Of AFlex is to come away a little bit from the tick box.\n\nChannel 1: I did say\n\nChannel 0: Just...\n\nChannel 1: in this Melbourne Water meeting the other day, the authors of the... What do they call it? APN at Aflox Practice Night. The authors\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: of the APN would not agree\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: with that assessment,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: which I could say\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: confidently\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: as I'm one of the authors.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. I think that's the that's probably... I think that's the one... One of the things that grants me is is when I come back and they argue about it. Like, actually, I I know that really well.\n\nI I helped write the part of it. You know? I did the research on it.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Anyway... Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: Why is it 10 millimeters? Because that's what we've moved it to.\n\nChannel 0: a... That's right. That's right. Good.\n\nChannel 1: Fascinating. Anyway,\n\nChannel 0: Good.\n\nChannel 1: now it's always\n\nChannel 0: How's...\n\nChannel 1: always worth a bitch.\n\nChannel 0: And how's... Yeah. Thank you. I appreciate it. How's how's the engineer?\n\nHow's our engineer?\n\nChannel 1: Neil.\n\nChannel 0: Neil.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Good.\n\nChannel 0: God.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. He's\n\nChannel 0: Jesus\n\nChannel 1: learning.\n\nChannel 0: Christ.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. It's... Yeah. Yeah.\n\nHe's... Yeah. He's a graduate. He knows as much as he knows, but...\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yep.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. He's getting there. So... Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: We just had\n\nChannel 0: Good.\n\nChannel 1: a... We had a hole that we were trying to fill, so he's filling it.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, good. Good.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Glad.\n\nChannel 1: That being said, getting quite a... Getting a few niggles from... In Jenny at the moment. Quite a few people looking to leave there.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I've heard that too. We've... I've met a few of them, actually. Yeah.\n\nThey're they're not particularly happy with what that means.\n\nChannel 1: Have\n\nChannel 0: But I\n\nChannel 1: you got\n\nChannel 0: find\n\nChannel 1: to the bottom\n\nChannel 0: engineering\n\nChannel 1: of what...\n\nChannel 0: a little\n\nChannel 1: What's\n\nChannel 0: bit...\n\nChannel 1: happening?\n\nChannel 0: Pardon?\n\nChannel 1: Have you got to the bottom of what is happening that's making them not heavy?\n\nChannel 0: Oh, the... So the first few people I've spoken to have just said that the culture has already started changing.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: So apparently, in Queensland, perhaps so many people left the Queensland office because of that exact same thing. So apparently, they came in... Queensland wasn't earning as much money, so they basically cleared the house a little bit more and and brought in their own systems and everything like that whilst they haven't been... They haven't done that in Melbourne until recently because Melbourne was running so well.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And now they've kind of starting to change everything.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: And so quite a few people have reached out to be like, yeah. I'm I'm close to going. And they're losing. But I find engineering really difficult because I I do not like their... I just don't...\n\nI'm I'm kinda scarred. Look. I know they've gotten so much better at flood modeling, but I'm kinda scarred from how bad they were.\n\nChannel 1: Barely does.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Case in point case in point, the maroona model that you're using.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. That's exactly right. That's exactly right. And so I'm kinda like... People who...\n\nThey wanna come out like, I don't know if you're gonna actually be able to handle\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: us\n\nChannel 1: you were\n\nChannel 0: as\n\nChannel 1: get...\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: small\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: business.\n\nChannel 1: were getting paid at a lot, and you were working from home, and you were kind of on the gravy train. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. Yeah. Right? Like... And and so it's just kinda like...\n\nTrying to find that right person. Like, I met one of them, and they said they'd only been doing large fund studies, like... And they've been working on one for the last four or five years. I'm like,\n\nChannel 1: One\n\nChannel 0: that's\n\nChannel 1: model just rerun,\n\nChannel 0: one\n\nChannel 1: rerun,\n\nChannel 0: model.\n\nChannel 1: rerun, run. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: How... And I just... I I couldn't... I I just don't know how they could possibly go from that. At the moment, we've got 20 projects going, just two of us.\n\nHow\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: they could possibly go from that to that. I just don't\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: think they could.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I just don't know if that would translate because that's that's a... It's the big difference.\n\nChannel 1: Well, you only learn so much on one model. Like, you... Yes. When you're exposed to 20 models a week, you learn a lot more a lot quicker.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Totally. Totally. And and and you understand the differences in how things are assessed, first of all, secondly, just even how different floodplains respond. And they they do.\n\nThey're completely different. You can never a 100% tell, but if you've been using one giant model forever, you just become so... This... It's just... It's the same thing.\n\nIt's... There's no rule variety.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: So...\n\nChannel 1: And and your your solution\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: you go to is a big solution. And sometimes big solutions are right and sometimes big solutions aren't.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: right.\n\nChannel 1: knowing knowing when to apply which one is... Yeah. It's a trick, but I don't know. I think there's gonna be... We saw this 2008, 2009, and a lot of flood models were coming out of...\n\nAlthough more strange people at Not a lot of people ran two d models back then. But... And they come out of the mines or come out of tier one. And I was at water checking. 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So I think even Jules was looking for one recently and hasn't got anyone Yeah.","start_word":4706,"end_word":4757,"intents":[{"intent":"Find and apply for senior jobs","confidence_score":0.0004083341}]},{"text":"I I... I'd like the idea of teaming with other medium sized small mid... Small mids.","start_word":4933,"end_word":4948,"intents":[{"intent":"Discuss teaming with small mids","confidence_score":0.02687777}]},{"text":"Look, I I don't really wanna be more than 10 ish number that I've been at for now five or six years because, yeah, Yeah. that's a that's a number where you can still touch everything, but you've got enough resources that you can jump on something. But it's just hard to keep keep people at that That's number as well.","start_word":5012,"end_word":5072,"intents":[{"intent":"Emphasize the need for more people","confidence_score":0.000114934584},{"intent":"Highlight the need for more people","confidence_score":0.0026295085},{"intent":"Discuss the number of people needed","confidence_score":0.00017256712}]},{"text":"I I kinda like the four five. It's a nice... But like you're saying, I've missed out on flood... Big flood studies because of having less than five. So Yeah. Well, five that's gets that's you a secretary, and the secretary that's does all of this QA stuff for you, all that's of that, you know, tendering right. and stuff.","start_word":5106,"end_word":5165,"intents":[{"intent":"Review the five five","confidence_score":0.0002875987}]},{"text":"I love I love a riverine flood size with There.","start_word":5188,"end_word":5197,"intents":[{"intent":"Like the riverine flood size","confidence_score":0.015284602},{"intent":"Express preference for the riverine flood size","confidence_score":0.01366133}]},{"text":"I'm not all about it. But, yeah, unfortunately, Wrotech seems to have a pretty good hold on it still regardless of them. And Jules has been... I think Jules is hell bent on beating Watek and and WMS.","start_word":5222,"end_word":5259,"intents":[{"intent":"Express dislike for the muddy models","confidence_score":1.2227046e-7}]}]},"sentiments":{"segments":[{"text":"Hi, Chris. How are you? I'm alright. How are you?","start_word":0,"end_word":9,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.1273481547832489},{"text":"I'm good. I'm good.","start_word":10,"end_word":13,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4247422218322754},{"text":"How's Just your weekend? work my way through your secretary and Yeah. I'm... I think I'm gonna test it. I I liked it for a bit, but people have told me that it sounds like an answering machine, so people just hang up. Fair enough. So... Yep.","start_word":14,"end_word":60,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.01463439129292965},{"text":"Great fun. Anyway, thanks so much for calling me.","start_word":61,"end_word":69,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.40424033999443054},{"text":"I've... That's Has... right. Have I'm a a... week late. But... Oh, no. It's all good. I end up sorting it out. I just needed to complain about Maroondah City Council. Alright. That's Luke still. He's alright, isn't he? So is it Luke? 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I'm starting to Okay. get some of these model... Melbourne Water models by Darebin Council.","start_word":151,"end_word":239,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1927650421857834},{"text":"I'm like, your model's fucking shit. Shocking. And they're like, we just spend millions on this.","start_word":240,"end_word":255,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5068134665489197},{"text":"You're like, yeah.","start_word":256,"end_word":258,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.3198322355747223},{"text":"But it doesn't do what you want it to do.","start_word":259,"end_word":268,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4420252144336701},{"text":"What do you want me to do?","start_word":269,"end_word":275,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.31932181119918823},{"text":"Oh, I just... I genuinely can't believe it.","start_word":276,"end_word":283,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4791657030582428},{"text":"It's it's like a... It's... 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Like, this you can't give us a shitty model and then expect us... Sorry.","start_word":400,"end_word":433,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4018835127353668},{"text":"Give... Then we give you the result that you gave the shitty model of and then tell us that, no.","start_word":434,"end_word":453,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.21965068578720093},{"text":"That's not good enough. Like, you you can't.","start_word":454,"end_word":461,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.44603073596954346},{"text":"That's not that's not how it works. It's funny. Like, it... And at at the heart of all these problems is is that we think that these models give us three decimal place precision. But they do give us three decimal place precision, but accuracy... Yeah. Yeah. And Ridiculous. it's like, you try and explain this stuff and you're like, what the model is saying that water goes roughly over there, and if we can make water roughly go over there and not really change the the rate, we're good. But Yeah. that's Yeah. not what we do, is it? No. And I I just... I... It just felt like I was hitting my head against the wall. Like... And and I I I think I I really got my power up. Like, I really started to be like, no. You're wrong.","start_word":462,"end_word":603,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.10824595391750336},{"text":"And then it... He... I noticed that they started getting upset, and I was like, oh, shit.","start_word":604,"end_word":620,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3454517126083374},{"text":"I just... I'll I'll just do it.","start_word":621,"end_word":627,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.29202359914779663},{"text":"Just just just stop this because, yeah, I was just getting into this argument, and the argument was so infuriating because they just didn't know what they were talking about. I was like, what is happening here?","start_word":628,"end_word":664,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5134701728820801},{"text":"Like, what what what is happening in this ad account? So... And... Yeah. Anyway, I was just... I really needed to vent about it because I was like, what what the... What is happening?","start_word":665,"end_word":698,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.23448657989501953},{"text":"And and, like, I started doing peer reviews for some jobs, and there was a duplication project. And it was genuinely one of the worst one of the worst models I've ever seen do... It was, like, built for a key piece of infrastruct... Like, it's just crazy to me how Yeah.","start_word":699,"end_word":750,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.43726956844329834},{"text":"bad Yeah. it was. But as And long as it... it met the AFIX provision, then it's okay. That's it. Like, it's Yeah.","start_word":751,"end_word":773,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.17474451661109924},{"text":"it's fucking mad how the world's going in this space.","start_word":774,"end_word":783,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.6728251576423645},{"text":"It... That's exactly right. That's exactly right. Like, it it... You're... Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. I just... Yeah. And and it it was basically all week. Last week, I I was arguing, and then by by the time I... Sorry. By the end of the week, I'm like, I'm just building it. I'm just rebuilding the whole thing. I don't care. I'll stay out late and finish it off and just How done many it times and will get you do it out. that?","start_word":784,"end_word":869,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1095600128173828},{"text":"You just gotta fuck it.","start_word":870,"end_word":874,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.7106903791427612},{"text":"I'll just copy it. I'll just cop the extra hours. I'll just do it because it... I'm not... I'm sick of arguing on this, but... It... Yeah.","start_word":875,"end_word":901,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.2028246372938156},{"text":"It's so... It's the worst. It's the worst.","start_word":902,"end_word":909,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.45047643780708313},{"text":"And... Because it is like... It's it's a whole week. It was like the full weekend that you just end up doing it. You're just like, I just... I I think what I was hoping was that maybe you had a bad experience with them, but it sounds like they've been okay with you.","start_word":910,"end_word":963,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.2766207754611969},{"text":"Why were they so horrible with me? Oh my god. I'm... I I think I gave up, actually.","start_word":964,"end_word":981,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5086715817451477},{"text":"Probably like... I took your comment at the Melbourne meeting the other day to heart. I'm like, no. You're right.","start_word":982,"end_word":1001,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.21205779910087583},{"text":"I should stop arguing about the boundaries and just fucking cut it where where where it'll exclude all of the the stuff that you're happy to show, but it doesn't Yep.","start_word":1002,"end_word":1032,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.35261696577072144},{"text":"really make anything. It's... Yep. Yeah. It... Because otherwise, you end up arguing with some, yeah, two g two five mobile going, woah.","start_word":1033,"end_word":1055,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.21397171914577484},{"text":"You're showing a fox here. You're like, no. No. I'm in the fucking freak.","start_word":1056,"end_word":1069,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5925602912902832},{"text":"Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. I... And I just... Yeah. I I I... It's kinda where I've got to now. I'm cutting down models so much just to make it, like, the most... And I've even started doing, like, roughness changes just to... Because I know that roughness would change the level off this site. So I'll be like, Yeah. oh, I'll just change it a little bit because they don't... They're not gonna know any better, No. and I guess I have doing dumb stuff. But... Yeah. With it's the so marooned dumb. ones, we... All we So do dumb. now is we take their big model, we rerun it with a bunch of PO lines in, take the worst case PO line, and then we build a a localized little model. Okay. So I just take it offline. I don't try and argue with their big model anymore Okay. because I've done that for years. It's kinda... Okay. Okay. Yeah. There's there's a whole heap of pit spew problems with it. There's a whole heap of... Yeah. Yeah. I got I got, like, critical errors with... And I ran it in the model formation that that you you meant to... That I asked for.","start_word":1070,"end_word":1273,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.13554619252681732},{"text":"I I just couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe what... Like, getting critical errors in a model that should be running. It's just beyond me.","start_word":1274,"end_word":1298,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.463030606508255},{"text":"It was just... Oh. We just we just got a copy of the... I'm gonna have to get the council, Oh, but what's the one above Hobson's Bay in there? Maribyrdom.","start_word":1299,"end_word":1329,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.14543622840316064},{"text":"That's no. No.","start_word":1330,"end_word":1332,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.459500789642334},{"text":"Next to it. But anyway, they... They've just released those models from Memorial. They've just put them up on the public consultation. We're doing some Yes. work that's essentially VicRoads, and so they gave us the model because they were arguing, well, you need to do this and this and this. They gave us the model. Right? The hydrology Yes.","start_word":1333,"end_word":1392,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.19717004895210263},{"text":"doesn't make the current standard. The hydraulics doesn't make the current standard.","start_word":1393,"end_word":1404,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.41209933161735535},{"text":"The hydraulics, they haven't they haven't put any of the VicRoads major collets in. Why?","start_word":1405,"end_word":1419,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.23953278362751007},{"text":"Because VicRoads wouldn't have supplied it to them.","start_word":1420,"end_word":1427,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3682570457458496},{"text":"They haven't been on-site. So, like, you get the fundamental differences in your starting point. And then... So I've rebuilt their model. I've put it in there, like, oh, you haven't run... Like, it's a really little roundabout thing. So Yeah. we said, can we just run that that bit rainfall on grid? We'll keep all the rest as pit to you. We'll just run that bit. Yeah. Yeah. So we do that. We run a couple of durations on one and a short one. They come back and go, oh, you're from that bit rainfall on grid. You're gonna have to run every single duration, every single temple pattern, and then give us Oh my the god. new critical duration. I'm like, that's not what the tech specs say. They say run it in the hydrology and then come backwards.","start_word":1428,"end_word":1568,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.05879655107855797},{"text":"From my fault, you've got a shit model.","start_word":1569,"end_word":1576,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.586405336856842},{"text":"I've already modeled... I've already rebuilt it twice.","start_word":1577,"end_word":1584,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.2839067578315735},{"text":"No.","start_word":1585,"end_word":1585,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.339020311832428},{"text":"And then, like, you're in the meeting, and Barman was saying this stuff. And someone said, oh, look. We'll just do whatever you don't want to say. And I said, to be fair, I haven't actually heard from Melbourne Water because it's Shiva, like someone someone who doesn't know any of the technical detail. Yeah. So you get consultants Yeah.","start_word":1586,"end_word":1645,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.2507191002368927},{"text":"all care no responsibility, and they're all for the big guys, so it's all nose in the trough stuff.","start_word":1646,"end_word":1664,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.45469433069229126},{"text":"Yeah. Very... And it's... Yeah. Yeah. It's Jacob's I... model.","start_word":1665,"end_word":1674,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07459159195423126},{"text":"But I Missed get away all the with vics.","start_word":1675,"end_word":1683,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4108432531356811},{"text":"it.","start_word":1684,"end_word":1684,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.22224804759025577},{"text":"Yeah. We've spent millions on this stuff, and we've actually got worse information than what we had.","start_word":1685,"end_word":1701,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.6195449829101562},{"text":"It's... Yes.","start_word":1702,"end_word":1703,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.25544676184654236},{"text":"I I I just don't... Like, because the one that I'm... The other one that I was talking to you about, which is just shit out.","start_word":1704,"end_word":1729,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.35334765911102295},{"text":"Like... So it's CPB and... Oh, he's the guy that they've they've teamed with them for everything. They've done heaps of duplication and projects with them. Anyway, what... And there's another orange color. Whatever it is, it is honestly the most dog shit model that I've ever... Like... And and they did a they did a rural rain on grid model for a catchment that was over, like, a 100 hectares. And, like, I'm it's... probably pushing And and up. and then they were like, there there was a gauge downstream. Right? There was a gauge downstream. Yes. There was a little township there, but they said, oh, no. We can't use the calibrated gauge because the township would change everything. Like, are you kidding me? You can... You have to look at that gauge. That gauge is still relevant. Yeah. It just... And Just even because even there's if it's a out town... by 20%, like, at least it's a data point that you This is something. can go, man, Oh my god.","start_word":1730,"end_word":1903,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.15295718610286713},{"text":"I was I was losing the it. I was losing it at this gauge report. I couldn't believe it. It's is like how how it got probably through.","start_word":1904,"end_word":1931,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4671058654785156},{"text":"I just... saying Yeah. Beyond me. Like, something. I I... It's... It it kinda Yeah. scares me how bad some of our competitors But this are, really. this is this is the thing.","start_word":1932,"end_word":1964,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1881676614284515},{"text":"But this is what's starting to get me is, like, we actually get hurt... We get whacked more for trying to show... Like, I show all our workings now.","start_word":1965,"end_word":1993,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3793860375881195},{"text":"Like, I give Yeah. them a a QA file that says, here's all the stuff that we assumed in the model. And they they Yep. they Yeah. go through that and then they hit you on it. You're like, I should just give you nothing and just a couple Yeah. of pretty Yeah. pictures and... Yeah. That... That's the thing with me. Like, I I started going hard. I was like, okay. Heaps of assumptions, inclusions, all this kind of stuff, and we've had it Yeah. come back to us as well, whereas, like, I know... Everyone else is doing it. We're just being open about what... How, like, limited we are Where these with flood assumptions modeling. are. That's just... Yeah. That's right. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Okay.","start_word":1994,"end_word":2124,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0718224048614502},{"text":"Good.","start_word":2125,"end_word":2125,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4764464497566223},{"text":"I'm glad I'm glad that's what you did end up doing because that's what we ended up doing because, yeah, just... I was... I I needed to... I... Then and also just get someone else to be like, it's... It is ridiculous, but it Yep. is... We... You just do it. You know the other one we were actually starting to notice? The o eight lidar is pretty average. We all kinda know that. The eight lidar is pretty good, and the 24 lidar tends to be worse than the eight lidar. Yes. Okay. So So... if you just flip Yes. through your lighter, you get completely different answers. Yes. Yeah. We... We've we've actually noticed that some of the new subdivisions where they... Sorry. Actually, internally in Melbourne where, like, lots of work happens every year, it's just... It's, like, meters off, which just can't be true. Like, there's... It's it's picked up. So I'm not sure what it's picked up, but it's not great. That... Well, they they use a different algorithm every time. So there's no reason that it should be exactly the same. And and where it comes up, when you do any of those fill jobs, which you had doing, but occasionally you get Yeah. involved in, and no more effect. They fill by 85,000,000 cubes. And you're like, well, that would be this many trucks twenty four hours a day for two years. So I'm pretty sure that number's wrong. Yep. And then Yep. and then you'd look at the lot and... Yeah. Eventually, you sort of come through. Oh, no. It's just the lot of differences and the different algorithm they've applied. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. I Yep. I just... Yeah. Five And normative. I I think the other thing that gets me with the lighter is I'm I'm working on a farm job, and they've done heaps of work on the farm, but the lighter for the existing is so old. And so, like, it's it's almost import... It... It's impossible to show what they've actually done and what they should... You know what I mean? Like, there's no Yeah. way that I can Yeah. categorically Yeah. say this is what it used to be like because Well, waterways we should be change in count... so often. We have one from council. Anyway, we'll just show what the what the survey on survey is. You're like, we don't have a survey from 2010. Yeah. We've Yeah. got this shitty 2008 lidar, but, like, I wouldn't hang my hat on it. That's right. That's right. That's where... And... Yeah. So I'm I'm... At the moment, we're we're essentially proposing that we have to go back to the 2008 LiDAR, which is just not what it should... They should have to do, but that's what we have to get to because that's the best available information.","start_word":2126,"end_word":2606,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1179140984020709},{"text":"Instead of, like, maybe rationally going out inside and being like, that's definitely been filled. How about we just get rid of that fill?","start_word":2607,"end_word":2630,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3873865604400635},{"text":"Instead, we just... We we have to be like, no.","start_word":2631,"end_word":2640,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.22017639875411987},{"text":"You have to cut back and, you know, it's just... It's it's backwards. It just doesn't... It It's really not is. the way it should be done.","start_word":2641,"end_word":2667,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.37749192118644714},{"text":"The Melbourne Water staff in particular just need to get out of the office more often. Like, just the number of jobs you're like, well, when you go and start and you look at it, you go, yeah. No. They've done that, but they haven't done that. And water Yeah. would go over there, but it wouldn't go over there just because you're an engineer and that's what you do in life. But, Yep.","start_word":2668,"end_word":2741,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1432001292705536},{"text":"yeah, this this tied to the desk stuff is not not helping the industry. And I just feel like there's an... Almost an indoctrination at the moment going on with Melbourne Water where it's like they... One... If one of them starts getting really harsh, they all just seem to jump on board and Yeah.","start_word":2742,"end_word":2796,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.391379177570343},{"text":"then... Because Like I... like, even the the lady who used to work for WaterTech, she was never that harsh. And now I talk to her, I'm like, what are you talking about? Which What one's is this? that one? Nazarene. Is that... Well, okay. She's from Exit Water, is she? Yeah. Yeah. She was. And and I just... Like, sometimes I listen to her. Okay. I I I appreciate that you've moved to a different work space, and you do need to be a bit more, maybe rigid, but, like, it's always it's always they get brought in to become militant almost. It's just very... It's it's... Like, this is the way. This is Melbourne's water. You know? This is the way. I don't know. What... Whatever that Yeah. maybe is from. You You know? will Like, it's you just... will respect my authority. That's right. Exactly. Exactly. And it just... Yeah. It gets me so much. It's just like, how do you have a rough... Rational conversation about something? With... And I... Every time it just feels like they think that you're a 100% only doing things just for the developers.","start_word":2797,"end_word":2989,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.08900374403812107},{"text":"Like, I don't give a shit about the developer.","start_word":2990,"end_word":2998,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4275903105735779},{"text":"If it gets through, it gets through. Great. No. To But to for be me, honest, I it's don't getting even know the water... their name most of the time. That's right. I just That's don't. right. I just wanna get the... I just wanna make sure that it's safe and that we're Yep. we're we're doing the right thing. So Yep. why why is it... And and it just feels like, no.","start_word":2999,"end_word":3071,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.03249037265777588},{"text":"You're working for that developer. You know, you're on the bad side.","start_word":3072,"end_word":3083,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.34623196721076965},{"text":"You're like, come on. Come Like, on. I did one I did one the other day. It hasn't been remediated, but I'm sure it's gonna get rejected. They're doing a bit of a development next to the floodplain, and we designed in, like, a little dry creek bed as the mitigation option so we could get some riparian benefits and, you know, you'd you'd sort of get a holistic picture. Yeah. Yeah. And it was very hard to hold anyone to. So I basically put the the requirement as you must remove 16 meters cubed of of soil in the floodplain Yeah. in this area here with a, you know, river or creek kinda design. And Yeah. and you just know that the person will come back and go, well, you should do this and you should make this primary. You're like, yeah. But we're water people. We're meant to make the water better. So you've gotta think Yeah. more than just the Aflox. Like, you gotta think Yeah. how is this gonna sit in context and environment and how it's all gonna hold together. No. Yeah. Hang on. I'll... Maybe I'll be maybe I'll be proven wrong. Maybe they'll they'll love it. Yeah. I don't know, Say mate. yes. Honestly, First like, text. even just even just, like, sometimes it's like, oh, you didn't test enough scenarios.","start_word":3084,"end_word":3311,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.04447383440115995},{"text":"You could eat me.","start_word":3312,"end_word":3315,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4804343581199646},{"text":"Oh, Like, that's I had that with, like, the 10 mil. It's like, I... That's... that's If that's that's the first thing. that's... At this review It's thing, kilobytes. that's the first thing we've gotta we gotta kill. Oh, Big you time. have to test Yeah. scenarios. Like, no. Most of the time, we've done a dozen. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. We only report on three or so because otherwise, our reports are a 150 pages. But, Yeah. Exactly. like, we're trying to put a table in there of the ones we do, but, like, you wish we run the model 20 or 30 times before Yeah. you Yeah. you you And I'm sorry. you We land do on run one. over the same one as well. We run over the same one. Just if it's a small iteration, we don't usually create a whole new No. run just for a small Of iteration. course. That's not the point. Yeah. That's Yeah. not the point. And I just Good. feel like it's, like, they've lost the... They've lost that. That's what... Like, engineering is about iterative. We work towards a better solution. You work... We don't just plot something and say, yeah, that's good enough, and then done. That's not... Yeah. We can't... Like, our modeling never allows us. We're we're so confined with most of our floodplains, You... You've and and so gotta there's prove so much that you shit haven't in met it. zero. Come That's on. right. Like, we're only Right? doing Like... this model because we know we can't meet zero. Exactly. Exactly. Otherwise, why wouldn't you object to it? Anyway. Anyway. It's... Yeah. It's just... It's... Yeah.","start_word":3316,"end_word":3596,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.098185233771801},{"text":"It... I'm I'm looking forward to this because I think it really needs to be pushed, but I really wanna push... Yeah.","start_word":3597,"end_word":3618,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3443906307220459},{"text":"I think I'll I'll keep it reiterating with them that they need more training with it because it's just it's... It... I think they just need to learn how to how to... Maybe even just flood modeling training, honestly. Like, Or maybe risk just... risk based decision making. That's That's... what Reg Yes. always says. It's That's because a it's... good point. Like, we put that little picture on the the risk is a fact that is a is a Venn diagram of hazard, Yeah. vulnerability, and exposure. We're putting that in all our reports at the moment because all we're all we're assessing all you're assessing is the hazard component. You've forgotten about the exposure and the vulnerability, and and they're Yeah. just as important. Yep. Yeah. No. Absolutely. And and... Yeah. Because yes and everyone else will tell you the exact same thing. That's absolutely true. And and Yeah. it's not just a number, but, again, we've just kinda gone back to that tick box even though the whole purpose of the... Of AFlex is to come away a little bit from the tick box. I did say Just... in this Melbourne Water meeting the other day, the authors of the... What do they call it? APN at Aflox Practice Night. The authors Yep. of the APN would not agree Yeah. with that assessment, Yeah. which I could say Yeah. confidently Yeah. as I'm one of the authors. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think that's the that's probably... I think that's the one... One of the things that grants me is is when I come back and they argue about it. Like, actually, I I know that really well. I I helped write the part of it. You know? I did the research on it. Yeah. Anyway... Yeah. Yes. It's Why is it 10 millimeters? Because that's what we've moved it to. a... That's right. That's right.","start_word":3619,"end_word":3939,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.043991793631764586},{"text":"Good. Fascinating. Anyway, Good.","start_word":3940,"end_word":3943,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5989883542060852},{"text":"now it's always How's... always worth a bitch. And how's... Yeah.","start_word":3944,"end_word":3954,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.17338962852954865},{"text":"Thank you. I appreciate it.","start_word":3955,"end_word":3959,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.46889472007751465},{"text":"How's how's the engineer? How's our engineer? Neil. Neil. Yeah. Good. God. Yeah. He's Jesus learning. Christ. Yeah. Yeah. It's... Yeah. Yeah. He's... Yeah. He's a graduate. He knows as much as he knows, but... Yeah. Yep. Yeah. He's getting there. So... Yeah. Okay. We just had Good. a... We had a hole that we were trying to fill, so he's filling it. Oh, good. Good. Yeah. Glad. That being said, getting quite a... Getting a few niggles from... In Jenny at the moment. Quite a few people looking to leave there. Yeah. I've heard that too. We've... I've met a few of them, actually. Yeah. They're they're not particularly happy with what that means. Have But I you got find to the bottom engineering of what... a little What's bit... happening? Pardon? Have you got to the bottom of what is happening that's making them not heavy? Oh, the... So the first few people I've spoken to have just said that the culture has already started changing. Yeah. So apparently, in Queensland, perhaps so many people left the Queensland office because of that exact same thing. So apparently, they came in... Queensland wasn't earning as much money, so they basically cleared the house a little bit more and and brought in their own systems and everything like that whilst they haven't been... They haven't done that in Melbourne until recently because Melbourne was running so well. Yeah. And now they've kind of starting to change everything. Yep. And so quite a few people have reached out to be like, yeah. I'm I'm close to going. And they're losing.","start_word":3960,"end_word":4228,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07930266857147217},{"text":"But I find engineering really difficult because I I do not like their... I just don't... I'm I'm kinda scarred.","start_word":4229,"end_word":4248,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.45662549138069153},{"text":"Look. I know they've gotten so much better at flood modeling, but I'm kinda scarred from how bad they were. Barely does. Yeah. Case in point case in point, the maroona model that you're using. Yeah.","start_word":4249,"end_word":4284,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.15015395358204842},{"text":"That's exactly right. That's exactly right.","start_word":4285,"end_word":4290,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.43849247694015503},{"text":"And so I'm kinda like... People who... They wanna come out like, I don't know if you're gonna actually be able to handle And us you were as get... a And small you business. were getting paid at a lot, and you were working from home, and you were kind of on the gravy train. Yeah. That's right. Yeah. Right? Like... And and so it's just kinda like... Trying to find that right person. Like, I met one of them, and they said they'd only been doing large fund studies, like... And they've been working on one for the last four or five years. I'm like, One that's model just rerun, one rerun, model. rerun, run. Yeah. How... And I just... I I couldn't... I I just don't know how they could possibly go from that. At the moment, we've got 20 projects going, just two of us. How Yeah. they could possibly go from that to that. I just don't Yeah. think they could. Yeah. I just don't know if that would translate because that's that's a... It's the big difference. Well, you only learn so much on one model. Like, you... Yes. When you're exposed to 20 models a week, you learn a lot more a lot quicker. Yeah. Totally. Totally. And and and you understand the differences in how things are assessed, first of all, secondly, just even how different floodplains respond. And they they do. They're completely different. You can never a 100% tell, but if you've been using one giant model forever, you just become so... This... It's just... It's the same thing. It's... There's no rule variety. Yeah. So... And and your your solution Yeah. you go to is a big solution. And sometimes big solutions are right and sometimes big solutions aren't. That's And right. knowing knowing when to apply which one is... Yeah. It's a trick, but I don't know. I think there's gonna be... We saw this 2008, 2009, and a lot of flood models were coming out of... Although more strange people at Not a lot of people ran two d models back then. But... And they come out of the mines or come out of tier one. And I was at water checking.","start_word":4291,"end_word":4664,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.06423424861647865},{"text":"They were asking for big wages, and you're like, it's just not worth it.","start_word":4665,"end_word":4678,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5614749193191528},{"text":"Sorry. Yes. So there was a there was a bit of a realignment, and and maybe you were sort of heading into one of those periods again. It seems like that, because I I have seen a second a few other people who've been looking for seniors, and they've just said that it's really difficult.","start_word":4679,"end_word":4733,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.2698734700679779},{"text":"They they haven't found anyone that can fit in.","start_word":4734,"end_word":4742,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.33717596530914307},{"text":"So I think even Jules was looking for one recently and hasn't got anyone Yeah. Yeah. So in. I So, had a few of yeah, the ads. it's it's interesting. Yeah. Anyway. It's a tricky time. And then you'd... Like, at the same time, you're of going well, I'm not I'm not gonna get too many juniors now because AI can do so much. I I think I'm done, honestly. I think that... Neil might have been my last junior. I know that I've only just started, but I had to, and it was... It's just so much more work than I can do. I just can't... Yeah. I'd I'd... Like, if if... Even if they got two or three... Sorry. Two or three, four years, then maybe I'd have a go. But I'm almost at the point where I'm going for seniors, and that's exclusively. Yeah. I'm like I said to you, even if you wanna get bigger. But there is a world where That's right. Exactly. you stay where you So are. I don't... Yeah.","start_word":4743,"end_word":4919,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.13411149382591248},{"text":"That's exactly right, which is kind of the vibe I'm semi going for.","start_word":4920,"end_word":4932,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.7003110647201538},{"text":"I I... I'd like the idea of teaming with other medium sized small mid... Small mids. You know? Like, I I I think that's kinda where... Like like, for example, that tender for the Barham River where you did Yeah. the review. I I kinda wanna do a bit more of that That so kind that, of stuff. like, it's, Yeah. yeah. Because it's like a team... Yeah. A bit of it's where you're pitching the market as well. Look, I I don't really wanna be more than 10 ish number that I've been at for now five or six years because, yeah, Yeah. that's a that's a number where you can still touch everything, but you've got enough resources that you can jump on something. But it's just hard to keep keep people at that That's number as well. So... right. Yes. Yeah. I I I think... I I I wouldn't want to go much more than 10, but even then, I I kinda almost don't wanna go much more than five. I I kinda like the four five. It's a nice... But like you're saying, I've missed out on flood... Big flood studies because of having less than five. So Yeah. Well, five that's gets that's you a secretary, and the secretary that's does all of this QA stuff for you, all that's of that, you know, tendering right. and stuff. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. So I wouldn't mind I wouldn't mind going to that just to do... I miss the big flood size. I love I love a riverine flood size with There. a big I'm river.","start_word":4933,"end_word":5201,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.05302383750677109},{"text":"But happy to review them.","start_word":5202,"end_word":5206,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3628930747509002},{"text":"I don't have enough building. I'm just... Yeah. Again, it... Yeah. big Interesting. model. Yeah. I'm not all about it. But, yeah, unfortunately, Wrotech seems to have a pretty good hold on it still regardless of them. And Jules has been... I think Jules is hell bent on beating Watek and and WMS.","start_word":5207,"end_word":5259,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.13894504308700562},{"text":"I think he's he's he's going hard for him.","start_word":5260,"end_word":5268,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.45790722966194153},{"text":"So... Yeah. It's interesting. Fair enough. It's interesting. Anyway. Alright. Alright, I'll mate. just... Thank you so No much. I just wanted to worries. chat to you. Anytime. I'll... Alright. I'll speak to you soon. Alright.","start_word":5269,"end_word":5304,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.04899178445339203},{"text":"Cheers.","start_word":5305,"end_word":5305,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4412470757961273},{"text":"Bye. K. Bye. Bye.","start_word":5306,"end_word":5309,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.08924130350351334}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.12194566264033038}}}}