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Oh, I didn't see, guys. I didn't let you get that. I called. No. No. Yeah. Yeah. I do. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Yeah. You do. You do. But InfoWorks so I worked. I did InfoWorks. I actually helped was building the Toronto in Canada. They're InfoWorks study. So they they used it, but I found it. It it's a really incredibly expensive license. And also, not any of the people know how to do it, and it it's it doesn't seem to be yeah. It's more in in Victoria sorry. In Australia, it's more too slow for a quick assessment. At least that's what most counsel I'm sorry. Most consultants use. So yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting that I didn't realize you used InfoWorks for it. Is that is that just to assess, like, assess the callers and stuff? Or is what what's the what what's the main reason why you went with InfoWorks? Yeah. Yes. Oh, okay. What is this? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Thank you. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. I like it. Well, yeah, the difference is How interesting. Yes. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Yeah. Well, that makes yeah. It's it's I mean, I I knew that you guys were doing quite a lot of work, but I didn't realize it was that extensive. Honestly, that's that's pretty intense. It's a lot of new parts that you're managing. And and, Steven, just the difference, like, I I the thing I hear about Infoworks is, like, if if, for example, a residential development was impacted by a flood, at least with two flow I mean, I'm not really sure about Inflow Works, but we could you can get a a hydrograph, put it in, and then sorry. And then you'd be able to give it to the clients, and then they'd be able to figure out how to how how to take they'd put it into their own two point model and then build it from there, and that's like a a relatively clean way to do it. And I know that's what we do for, like, councils in Melbourne and for Melbourne Water. But, yeah, with InfoWorks, I'm I'm sure you probably get the flow out, but I guess it depends on what flow you get. And and because it's not because InfoWorks isn't an Australian one, is it? It's not a like, the hydrology isn't Australian per se. I mean, obviously, you can put it in there, but it's it's a it's a a okay. How about the AR and R approach? Oh, sorry. Sorry. Oh, okay. Oh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's right. Yes. Yes. Yes. No. Interesting. Yeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. You've you've you've gone so far down that one path using ICM, and now you now you have to give it back is really frustrating, I can imagine. Oh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. That that makes sense. It's yeah. Well and and I know I I know that there's with TruFlow, there's, like, a a conversion guide or something in the from InfoWorks to ICM sorry. From from sorry. Up from my in in ICM, InfoWorks to to flow, but I think it's not really it's not like a straightforward this it it's exactly exported out that way. You still have to go through everything to make sure that this actually works. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Right. So you yeah. You've got no. I I just I haven't spoken to certain peep to friends and from digital on you know, for ages, and I've I've finally, like my business has gotten stable enough and and Tom put in, I guess well, not competent, but, like, it has grown enough so that I can feel like I if if I do ever need it could be if I could ever help, I could actually help. And so I just wanted to, like, I guess reach out and and, yeah, see see reconnect. And, yeah, it's it's one of those things where I I get I got a bit I got a bit lost or, I guess, in my own head about trying to make sure that what what what this business would mean and and, you know, just working through it. And it it I feel like sometimes I I forget to really speak to the people I I I used to talk to, and and so I'm just trying to get better at that again. So, yeah, I I I again, I haven't yeah. Like I said, I haven't spoken to you in such a long time. And I was speaking, yeah, to to Lola, and she was telling me a few different things that that her that her part of the business will need into the future. And so it was kinda cool. It was, like, giving me a few little ideas of what I could do to find, like, a separate little bit of work that other people aren't doing very much of or it was yeah. It was just nice. It's like, oh, I I remember why I used to, like, talking to and and just, yeah, what those relationships mean. It was yeah. So it was just and then, yeah, she she was just like, oh, yeah. You know, I haven't seen such a long time. So yeah. Because I feel like last time, it might have even been the road duplication that I was talking to you about. And I don't I mean, I know that that's miles down the track now. But, yeah, I think I feel like that that was was so it was so long ago. Oh, the climate change seminar. Yeah. I did. That's right. Because I was presenting and and I yeah. Honestly, I was because I was up the front, I everyone I spoke to beforehand, I didn't really remember because I was so stressed about having up and talking in front of everyone. No. Yeah. I went to I only went to the dinner because yeah. I just I I had just recently had a a daughter, and I couldn't really get away for a long time. And that was also just a bit like I I I'm, yeah, I couldn't I couldn't believe you for that long. I really wish I had been able to come down the whole thing, but, yeah, I guess, other duties take precedence. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're, yeah, we're actually going away. We're going to we're going to Bali in a couple of months for for a week or so just to get out of the cold and and, yeah, just have a bit of a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Well, we went to we went there with my son when he was six months old, and that was it was really easy because they're just a blob. They don't really move anywhere. We we went with my son to Japan when he was three, and that he was running everywhere, and that was very stressful. Yeah. So, yeah, I'd love to I'd love to yeah. I I've, yeah, I've I've been wanting to go away a bit before. I didn't realize he'd did did they used to live in Kuala Lumpur? They used to live in. Oh, Hello. Wow. Oh, you have to do it for everyone? Wow. That's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No. What? It's funny. Yeah. No. I I I appreciate that. I I'm very I'm I'm curious just because I to be honest, I my partner and I have always wanted to live oh, sorry. To work and live overseas for a long for a couple years. I used to live I lived in Italy for a little bit, but I actually would have I've Penang is really high up on my list to live. I I yeah. I love I love Malaysia. I I Malaysia was one of my I think it's one of my favorite holidays I've ever seen before in Malaysia would just it was just food heaven. It's good. It's so pretty and yeah. I don't know. It just yeah. I I I like the way because I felt like it was it's just so many different people in one place. It was yeah. It was very nice. It's a bit of a place. That's right. Yeah. And and and, like, English was not that it was not that hard to get away with English, but then, yeah, it was just yeah. It's amazing. It's a that's a beautiful place. Did you go back often? Or Oh, okay. Hold M C V K L. I don't know. It's okay. Yeah. Cool. So there you go. I didn't yeah. I yeah. Once once the year sounds nice, but it's nice to get away. I mean, as as you can. Although, yeah, I'm imagining with prices of flights and everything, it's become it's becoming harder and harder. Sorry. Oh, but yeah. Three children. How old are you children? Wow. Forty years. That's 63. Yeah. Wow. There you go. I'm not yeah. I'm nowhere near that, but I I'm always afraid of the yeah. Of that of that age since that yeah. A lot of emotions, a lot of things going on. Sure. Yes. That that would be frustrating. Yep. I understand that. I can appreciate that. But, yeah, I I mean, I I don't the word is for me is, like, when Billy starts watching when my son starts watching TV, he just owns that completely, but I can't imagine. But if he likes with them on their phones and on their iPads and iPads and pads and all that kind of stuff would be yeah. It's hard to be like, we have a conversation. Just wanna talk. Yeah. Lovely. Yes. So I've got two staff. I used to have a few more, but I I just it was becoming a little bit too stressful, honestly. And so I I I've now the way that I'm gonna set up the business is I'm looking at hiring just senior staff instead of having any grads or juniors. I I had a few juniors, and I just realized that I was spending more than half the day trying to well, just just training them and then fixing up their mistakes and all that kind of stuff. And and it's just not it it was just too much for just one person to do, I think. And so I've just decided that, yeah, I'll just we'll just be me and a couple of other senior engineers. And the good thing about that, it means that I can we we like, I'm really confident that they can just write everything and, I guess, yeah, just deliver everything I want them to deliver rather than having to look over their shoulder. You know? Like, it yeah. It's it's nice. So that's right. Yeah. And and I just found yeah. With something with the grads, I found that the use of AI was just really it was really strong. Like, it was in in every report I was reviewing, I just saw that they'd that it what had been written out was AI a version of AI, and I just couldn't it wasn't yeah. It's not I don't it's not a good look. And and and and it's pretty obvious, I reckon, when you re look through it, and you can be like, yes. This is definitely written by someone. So it's owned by by a machine. So, yeah, I'm I'm I wanted to go with someone who had to already write a lot of reports, and and so they know that if they use AI, it's more of like a final check as opposed to a as to writing it. So yeah. So there's we've got our own office. We're got an office in Preston in Melbourne, which is nice. And I get they they they I'm actually here by myself today, but they're usually in most days, which is really nice. And, yeah, it's it's it's it's a big it's a big challenge running a business because there's so many different aspects to it, but I do really like it. Like, it is nice to like, for example, the other day, I had some a client come and said that they wanna build a oil and gas pipeline, and I disagree with oil and gas. I I don't I don't think it's towards our future, and so I said no. And To to to through farmland to to move gas and oil from one part to another. Yeah. So so it was gonna be like they they have to rip up grassland. They'd have to rip it it and and so they needed a flood assessment for it. And because I don't I I I do a lot of renewable development, like solar farms and and wind farms and all those type of things. And so, like, I I would able to say to them, I'm sorry. It's not within our ethics. But, you know, when I used to work at bigger companies, I would have to do it. So so it's nice to I don't know. There's I really like that that I can really be I don't know. Stick to my ethics a lot more than I felt like when I was in a big one. Yeah. Because that that'd been nice. And, yeah, just I'll be I would be doing the flood modeling. Yeah. No. I wouldn't design. Yeah. I mean, if there was culverts and bridges and what have you, I could do the design. But the the problem is that the the way that I ratified it was they they're going for planning permit approval. So my assessment will help them get approval to do what they need to do. So even though I'm not working on the line, I know that the work that I would do would help them to get it built. And I don't I like, I'd prefer to be doing a, you know, Brad sorry. A a call that for renewable development that I know is gonna actually provide ongoing, you know, get get away from the brown and black infrastructure that isn't yeah. Our climate change projections aren't getting any better, so I prefer to try and do things that will help the climate plan. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. So if if it was a pipeline where the I I don't know. If the if the oil needed to go to the renewable development and it was helping, I don't know, you know, make it more effective or efficient, then I then I'd be okay with it because at least it means it's helping the energy transition. But because it was literally just helping pump gas to a huge refinery, it was just like so essentially, it was just doing the thing that I don't think is what we should be doing. It's like yeah. Which is not yeah. It wasn't there was not there was nothing really redeeming about it. You know? It was just it was just going to go straight into the petrol gas system and and, you know, just go out into the acre, and I just really didn't, yeah, I didn't wanna I don't wanna be one of those that contribute to it. And yeah. Because I I've done other assessments, Faye, where I remember doing one. I used to work for GHD, and there was a a dam out in Ballarat that we got hired by the people who are in the dam to do a dam break assessment. And the assessment showed that all of these houses downstream would basically be wiped out. But because it was a private investigation, we can't we couldn't tell anyone. And I just stuff like that, I just feel if you're doing what what those those people don't know their risk. Like, they don't understand what what their what their potential risk is, and it just makes me feel uncomfortable. Like, I I want to do a flood study or a flood impact assessment for like, I've I've done a bit with council recently, but with, like, developers or council or, you know, CMAs or whatever that I know the risk will be actually articulated properly. Like, the the the people around will actually know what their risk is. And, like, I've I've been re I've been really lucky. I've been working in the works for Melbourne Water. I helped write their the flood impact assessment guidelines, and the one they they brought out a new practice note for flood impact assessment. So I I I helped write that, and and it's it's, like, it's really nice because it's, like, actually quantifying risk and hazard, and and the idea is to be like, well, look, if it's if it's the flood if the flood increases by this much, but it's on a rural road that no one drives down, then maybe it's not a what we maybe we shouldn't need to worry about it being exactly this many mil. You know what I mean? Like, I I I I've been able to do stuff like that, which is really broad. I really like that. So, yeah, I I just prefer to do projects where I think I'm actually making a difference or, you know, helping the community and helping the environment rather than things that probably aren't gonna help anyone. Well, I'm sorry. Not well, it may not. I'm sorry. The oil and gas might help with some people, but it typically isn't like a it's not a way to of our future, I guess. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. It's yeah. I I think it's I don't know. I think it's I I I never actually, to to be honest, at the CMA, I'm I'm sure you probably feel similar as counsel. I never really had to worry about my ethical obligations. Like, I always felt like we were always just trying to do the best for the community or for the floodplain. But in private consulting, I've always found it really challenging to figure out what's best, like, how how do I how do I validate or, you know, say that this is still good for everyone when I'm just doing, like, really large subdivisions or stuff like that. So I try to be like, well, at least I can make it safe. You know? At least I'm making this subdivision as safe as it can be and, you know, telling them to step back and all that kind of stuff. So it's why I really love those new guidelines for a 60 meter buffer from the waterway. I'm I think that's great. It's good. It's it's good. Well Yes. Yes. I I was gonna ask, Craig. With, like, your role and similar roles in like, for other councils, Is there anything that you think the other councils or or your council is there any, like, area that you think would would benefit from MyHealth? As in like, is there any little niches or anything that you're like, oh, no one's doing these type of assessments, or no one's really following up on these? Or it's like I I'm just I'm really curious because I like I like with the ethics thing, I think I'd like to work with cancer more often, but I still I I just I miss out on the big blood studies because they're obviously generally go for bigger firms who've got more resources. And so I kinda wanna focus on smaller, little smaller assessments or, like, I was doing a secondment for the Cornell and Hopkins CMA a couple of months ago. I'm just curious. Do you do you know do do you think of anything? Or I mean, you don't have to tell me now. I know I'm putting you on the spot, but I was just curious if you if you had thought of any if you had any idea. Yeah. I called you. Oh, that's a really good idea. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So, like, like, a model so, like, a training session or something. Yes. Yeah. Make sure that we're because I've actually does that make sense? Sure. Well, actually, you know what? Thinking about it, I have had instances where I've asked models from councils, and they've given me the model, but the consultant didn't give them the right information. So I had to ask the consultant for them. That's that's a really good idea. That's yeah. So, like, coming in and being like, okay. This is a new study that you've just got given. How like, is there everything is there everything there. So they're almost acting as, like, a subsidiary between council and the consultant. Oh, that's really helpful. Thanks for taking that. That's awesome. I I yeah. I just I I wanna I I I'm sick of competing for we're trying trying to compete for the bigger one without it's just it it's it's a lot of effort, and I and because of capacity, typically, I've been that's where I've lost them, and I just wanna yeah. I guess I just wanna find another avenue, some other way that I could help. And, yeah, that's that's really helpful. I think that will be that's a really good way. So Mhmm. Yes. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Sure. It depends. I know. Yeah. Okay. Fascinating. I know. Yeah. Totally. Really. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. That's okay. What? Thank you. Oh, look. If you ever do need anything, honestly, or even if it's just chat, I I got I'm finally I'm doing a peer review for a flood study in Ballarat Ballarat City Council coming up. So I I wanna do those type of things as well. So if there's ever, like, little flood impact assessments that you need someone to review or yeah. I guess if yeah. If you ever need anything, I I also yeah. I guess not just work wise, but I'd love to down in Geelong sorry. I've down Geelong. I'll I I'd love to catch up as well. It'd be lovely to keep in contact and keep chatting. Is that Catherine Payson? Yeah. I do. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just swmconsulting.com.au. Let me know how you think because it's a new website. So hopefully, it's nice to know. It makes sense that, yeah, I try to I don't know. I I I know a lot of companies have to very, I don't know, style. I start trying to try to be as yeah. To give as much content as I can. And yeah. I guess there's also like, I I've I've got, like my a lot of my work, I'm tailing towards developers so that maybe the questions that they need answered don't need to go straight to you guys straight away. So I've got, like, what is the actual flood impact assessment? What does the 1% actually mean and stuff like that? So hopefully that helps you guys. Anyway. So That's very fine. Well, exactly. Yeah. I I think what if that charges out, like I'm I'm pretty sure they're 2,250 plus per per hour. Mine mine's, like, I think the the most I charged out recently was about 200. And then if it was if it was a small if it was, like, data management, it goes down to, like, $1.60, $1.80. So, yeah, I I definitely am cheaper. To me, I am definitely cheaper. I I guess the the other thing is, like, I I'd I'd want to the way that I wanna work is, for example, if you said this one, this is how much I've got, then I can say, yep. Okay. We can do it for that as opposed to as opposed to me, you know, giving up a high price and then you're saying, oh, I can't go down to that. Can you go down to here? And that's kind of the way I prefer it. It's like, yep. But if if if how much do you need it done for, and I'll try and do it for that. Okay. Thank you. Thanks so much. Oh, it's so lovely to speak to you today. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Alright. Well, I'll speak to you soon. Alright. 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Speaking. Oh, no worries. Hey. How are you?\n\nThank you. Yeah. Yeah. That's right. That's the way to be.\n\nHow's that how is the council going? How's how's the city? Yeah. Oh, I didn't see, guys. I didn't let you get that.\n\nI called. No. No. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nI do. Yeah. Exactly. Yes. Yeah.\n\nYou do. You do. But InfoWorks so I worked. I did InfoWorks. I actually helped was building the Toronto in Canada.\n\nThey're InfoWorks study. So they they used it, but I found it. It it's a really incredibly expensive license. And also, not any of the people know how to do it, and it it's it doesn't seem to be yeah. It's more in in Victoria sorry.\n\nIn Australia, it's more too slow for a quick assessment. At least that's what most counsel I'm sorry. Most consultants use. So yeah. It's interesting.\n\nIt's interesting that I didn't realize you used InfoWorks for it. Is that is that just to assess, like, assess the callers and stuff? Or is what what's the what what's the main reason why you went with InfoWorks? Yeah. Yes.\n\nOh, okay. What is this? Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.\n\nThank you. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.\n\nYes. Yes. Okay. Yes. Okay.\n\nYeah. Sure. Yeah. I like it. Well, yeah, the difference is How interesting.\n\nYes. Yeah. Interesting. Okay. Yeah.\n\nWell, that makes yeah. It's it's I mean, I I knew that you guys were doing quite a lot of work, but I didn't realize it was that extensive. Honestly, that's that's pretty intense. It's a lot of new parts that you're managing. 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Sorry. Oh, okay.\n\nOh, okay. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's right.\n\nYes. Yes. Yes. No. Interesting.\n\nYeah. That's amazing. Yeah. Yeah. You've you've you've gone so far down that one path using ICM, and now you now you have to give it back is really frustrating, I can imagine.\n\nOh, sure. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.\n\nThat that makes sense. It's yeah. Well and and I know I I know that there's with TruFlow, there's, like, a a conversion guide or something in the from InfoWorks to ICM sorry. From from sorry. Up from my in in ICM, InfoWorks to to flow, but I think it's not really it's not like a straightforward this it it's exactly exported out that way.\n\nYou still have to go through everything to make sure that this actually works. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Right.\n\nSo you yeah. You've got no. I I just I haven't spoken to certain peep to friends and from digital on you know, for ages, and I've I've finally, like my business has gotten stable enough and and Tom put in, I guess well, not competent, but, like, it has grown enough so that I can feel like I if if I do ever need it could be if I could ever help, I could actually help. And so I just wanted to, like, I guess reach out and and, yeah, see see reconnect. And, yeah, it's it's one of those things where I I get I got a bit I got a bit lost or, I guess, in my own head about trying to make sure that what what what this business would mean and and, you know, just working through it.\n\nAnd it it I feel like sometimes I I forget to really speak to the people I I I used to talk to, and and so I'm just trying to get better at that again. So, yeah, I I I again, I haven't yeah. Like I said, I haven't spoken to you in such a long time. And I was speaking, yeah, to to Lola, and she was telling me a few different things that that her that her part of the business will need into the future. And so it was kinda cool.\n\nIt was, like, giving me a few little ideas of what I could do to find, like, a separate little bit of work that other people aren't doing very much of or it was yeah. It was just nice. It's like, oh, I I remember why I used to, like, talking to and and just, yeah, what those relationships mean. It was yeah. So it was just and then, yeah, she she was just like, oh, yeah.\n\nYou know, I haven't seen such a long time. So yeah. Because I feel like last time, it might have even been the road duplication that I was talking to you about. And I don't I mean, I know that that's miles down the track now. But, yeah, I think I feel like that that was was so it was so long ago.\n\nOh, the climate change seminar. Yeah. I did. That's right. Because I was presenting and and I yeah.\n\nHonestly, I was because I was up the front, I everyone I spoke to beforehand, I didn't really remember because I was so stressed about having up and talking in front of everyone. No. Yeah. I went to I only went to the dinner because yeah. I just I I had just recently had a a daughter, and I couldn't really get away for a long time.\n\nAnd that was also just a bit like I I I'm, yeah, I couldn't I couldn't believe you for that long. I really wish I had been able to come down the whole thing, but, yeah, I guess, other duties take precedence. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. We're, yeah, we're actually going away. We're going to we're going to Bali in a couple of months for for a week or so just to get out of the cold and and, yeah, just have a bit of a yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. No. Yeah. Well, we went to we went there with my son when he was six months old, and that was it was really easy because they're just a blob. They don't really move anywhere.\n\nWe we went with my son to Japan when he was three, and that he was running everywhere, and that was very stressful. Yeah. So, yeah, I'd love to I'd love to yeah. I I've, yeah, I've I've been wanting to go away a bit before. I didn't realize he'd did did they used to live in Kuala Lumpur?\n\nThey used to live in. Oh, Hello. Wow. Oh, you have to do it for everyone? Wow.\n\nThat's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. No. What?\n\nIt's funny. Yeah. No. I I I appreciate that. I I'm very I'm I'm curious just because I to be honest, I my partner and I have always wanted to live oh, sorry.\n\nTo work and live overseas for a long for a couple years. I used to live I lived in Italy for a little bit, but I actually would have I've Penang is really high up on my list to live. I I yeah. I love I love Malaysia. I I Malaysia was one of my I think it's one of my favorite holidays I've ever seen before in Malaysia would just it was just food heaven.\n\nIt's good. It's so pretty and yeah. I don't know. It just yeah. I I I like the way because I felt like it was it's just so many different people in one place.\n\nIt was yeah. It was very nice. It's a bit of a place. That's right. Yeah.\n\nAnd and and, like, English was not that it was not that hard to get away with English, but then, yeah, it was just yeah. It's amazing. It's a that's a beautiful place. Did you go back often? Or Oh, okay.\n\nHold M C V K L. I don't know. It's okay. Yeah. Cool.\n\nSo there you go. I didn't yeah. I yeah. Once once the year sounds nice, but it's nice to get away. I mean, as as you can.\n\nAlthough, yeah, I'm imagining with prices of flights and everything, it's become it's becoming harder and harder. Sorry. Oh, but yeah. Three children. How old are you children?\n\nWow. Forty years. That's 63. Yeah. Wow.\n\nThere you go. I'm not yeah. I'm nowhere near that, but I I'm always afraid of the yeah. Of that of that age since that yeah. A lot of emotions, a lot of things going on.\n\nSure. Yes. That that would be frustrating. Yep. I understand that.\n\nI can appreciate that. But, yeah, I I mean, I I don't the word is for me is, like, when Billy starts watching when my son starts watching TV, he just owns that completely, but I can't imagine. But if he likes with them on their phones and on their iPads and iPads and pads and all that kind of stuff would be yeah. It's hard to be like, we have a conversation. Just wanna talk.\n\nYeah. Lovely. Yes. So I've got two staff. I used to have a few more, but I I just it was becoming a little bit too stressful, honestly.\n\nAnd so I I I've now the way that I'm gonna set up the business is I'm looking at hiring just senior staff instead of having any grads or juniors. I I had a few juniors, and I just realized that I was spending more than half the day trying to well, just just training them and then fixing up their mistakes and all that kind of stuff. And and it's just not it it was just too much for just one person to do, I think. And so I've just decided that, yeah, I'll just we'll just be me and a couple of other senior engineers. And the good thing about that, it means that I can we we like, I'm really confident that they can just write everything and, I guess, yeah, just deliver everything I want them to deliver rather than having to look over their shoulder.\n\nYou know? Like, it yeah. It's it's nice. So that's right. Yeah.\n\nAnd and I just found yeah. With something with the grads, I found that the use of AI was just really it was really strong. Like, it was in in every report I was reviewing, I just saw that they'd that it what had been written out was AI a version of AI, and I just couldn't it wasn't yeah. It's not I don't it's not a good look. And and and and it's pretty obvious, I reckon, when you re look through it, and you can be like, yes.\n\nThis is definitely written by someone. So it's owned by by a machine. So, yeah, I'm I'm I wanted to go with someone who had to already write a lot of reports, and and so they know that if they use AI, it's more of like a final check as opposed to a as to writing it. So yeah. So there's we've got our own office.\n\nWe're got an office in Preston in Melbourne, which is nice. And I get they they they I'm actually here by myself today, but they're usually in most days, which is really nice. And, yeah, it's it's it's it's a big it's a big challenge running a business because there's so many different aspects to it, but I do really like it. Like, it is nice to like, for example, the other day, I had some a client come and said that they wanna build a oil and gas pipeline, and I disagree with oil and gas. I I don't I don't think it's towards our future, and so I said no.\n\nAnd To to to through farmland to to move gas and oil from one part to another. Yeah. So so it was gonna be like they they have to rip up grassland. They'd have to rip it it and and so they needed a flood assessment for it. And because I don't I I I do a lot of renewable development, like solar farms and and wind farms and all those type of things.\n\nAnd so, like, I I would able to say to them, I'm sorry. It's not within our ethics. But, you know, when I used to work at bigger companies, I would have to do it. So so it's nice to I don't know. There's I really like that that I can really be I don't know.\n\nStick to my ethics a lot more than I felt like when I was in a big one. Yeah. Because that that'd been nice. And, yeah, just I'll be I would be doing the flood modeling. Yeah.\n\nNo. I wouldn't design. Yeah. I mean, if there was culverts and bridges and what have you, I could do the design. But the the problem is that the the way that I ratified it was they they're going for planning permit approval.\n\nSo my assessment will help them get approval to do what they need to do. So even though I'm not working on the line, I know that the work that I would do would help them to get it built. And I don't I like, I'd prefer to be doing a, you know, Brad sorry. A a call that for renewable development that I know is gonna actually provide ongoing, you know, get get away from the brown and black infrastructure that isn't yeah. Our climate change projections aren't getting any better, so I prefer to try and do things that will help the climate plan.\n\nThat's right. Yeah. Yeah. So if if it was a pipeline where the I I don't know. If the if the oil needed to go to the renewable development and it was helping, I don't know, you know, make it more effective or efficient, then I then I'd be okay with it because at least it means it's helping the energy transition.\n\nBut because it was literally just helping pump gas to a huge refinery, it was just like so essentially, it was just doing the thing that I don't think is what we should be doing. It's like yeah. Which is not yeah. It wasn't there was not there was nothing really redeeming about it. You know?\n\nIt was just it was just going to go straight into the petrol gas system and and, you know, just go out into the acre, and I just really didn't, yeah, I didn't wanna I don't wanna be one of those that contribute to it. And yeah. Because I I've done other assessments, Faye, where I remember doing one. I used to work for GHD, and there was a a dam out in Ballarat that we got hired by the people who are in the dam to do a dam break assessment. And the assessment showed that all of these houses downstream would basically be wiped out.\n\nBut because it was a private investigation, we can't we couldn't tell anyone. And I just stuff like that, I just feel if you're doing what what those those people don't know their risk. Like, they don't understand what what their what their potential risk is, and it just makes me feel uncomfortable. Like, I I want to do a flood study or a flood impact assessment for like, I've I've done a bit with council recently, but with, like, developers or council or, you know, CMAs or whatever that I know the risk will be actually articulated properly. Like, the the the people around will actually know what their risk is.\n\nAnd, like, I've I've been re I've been really lucky. I've been working in the works for Melbourne Water. I helped write their the flood impact assessment guidelines, and the one they they brought out a new practice note for flood impact assessment. So I I I helped write that, and and it's it's, like, it's really nice because it's, like, actually quantifying risk and hazard, and and the idea is to be like, well, look, if it's if it's the flood if the flood increases by this much, but it's on a rural road that no one drives down, then maybe it's not a what we maybe we shouldn't need to worry about it being exactly this many mil. You know what I mean?\n\nLike, I I I I've been able to do stuff like that, which is really broad. I really like that. So, yeah, I I just prefer to do projects where I think I'm actually making a difference or, you know, helping the community and helping the environment rather than things that probably aren't gonna help anyone. Well, I'm sorry. Not well, it may not.\n\nI'm sorry. The oil and gas might help with some people, but it typically isn't like a it's not a way to of our future, I guess. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah.\n\nIt's yeah. I I think it's I don't know. I think it's I I I never actually, to to be honest, at the CMA, I'm I'm sure you probably feel similar as counsel. I never really had to worry about my ethical obligations. Like, I always felt like we were always just trying to do the best for the community or for the floodplain.\n\nBut in private consulting, I've always found it really challenging to figure out what's best, like, how how do I how do I validate or, you know, say that this is still good for everyone when I'm just doing, like, really large subdivisions or stuff like that. So I try to be like, well, at least I can make it safe. You know? At least I'm making this subdivision as safe as it can be and, you know, telling them to step back and all that kind of stuff. So it's why I really love those new guidelines for a 60 meter buffer from the waterway.\n\nI'm I think that's great. It's good. It's it's good. Well Yes. Yes.\n\nI I was gonna ask, Craig. With, like, your role and similar roles in like, for other councils, Is there anything that you think the other councils or or your council is there any, like, area that you think would would benefit from MyHealth? As in like, is there any little niches or anything that you're like, oh, no one's doing these type of assessments, or no one's really following up on these? Or it's like I I'm just I'm really curious because I like I like with the ethics thing, I think I'd like to work with cancer more often, but I still I I just I miss out on the big blood studies because they're obviously generally go for bigger firms who've got more resources. And so I kinda wanna focus on smaller, little smaller assessments or, like, I was doing a secondment for the Cornell and Hopkins CMA a couple of months ago.\n\nI'm just curious. Do you do you know do do you think of anything? Or I mean, you don't have to tell me now. I know I'm putting you on the spot, but I was just curious if you if you had thought of any if you had any idea. Yeah.\n\nI called you. Oh, that's a really good idea. Okay. Okay. Yeah.\n\nSo, like, like, a model so, like, a training session or something. Yes. Yeah. Make sure that we're because I've actually does that make sense? Sure.\n\nWell, actually, you know what? Thinking about it, I have had instances where I've asked models from councils, and they've given me the model, but the consultant didn't give them the right information. So I had to ask the consultant for them. That's that's a really good idea. That's yeah.\n\nSo, like, coming in and being like, okay. This is a new study that you've just got given. How like, is there everything is there everything there. So they're almost acting as, like, a subsidiary between council and the consultant. Oh, that's really helpful.\n\nThanks for taking that. That's awesome. I I yeah. I just I I wanna I I I'm sick of competing for we're trying trying to compete for the bigger one without it's just it it's it's a lot of effort, and I and because of capacity, typically, I've been that's where I've lost them, and I just wanna yeah. I guess I just wanna find another avenue, some other way that I could help.\n\nAnd, yeah, that's that's really helpful. I think that will be that's a really good way. So Mhmm. Yes. Oh, yeah.\n\nYeah. Sure. It depends. I know. Yeah.\n\nOkay. Fascinating. I know. Yeah. Totally.\n\nReally. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Sure.\n\nYeah. That's okay. What? Thank you. Oh, look.\n\nIf you ever do need anything, honestly, or even if it's just chat, I I got I'm finally I'm doing a peer review for a flood study in Ballarat Ballarat City Council coming up. So I I wanna do those type of things as well. So if there's ever, like, little flood impact assessments that you need someone to review or yeah. I guess if yeah. If you ever need anything, I I also yeah.\n\nI guess not just work wise, but I'd love to down in Geelong sorry. I've down Geelong. I'll I I'd love to catch up as well. It'd be lovely to keep in contact and keep chatting. Is that Catherine Payson?\n\nYeah. I do. Yes. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nIt's it's just swmconsulting.com.au. Let me know how you think because it's a new website. So hopefully, it's nice to know. It makes sense that, yeah, I try to I don't know. I I I know a lot of companies have to very, I don't know, style.\n\nI start trying to try to be as yeah. To give as much content as I can. And yeah. I guess there's also like, I I've I've got, like my a lot of my work, I'm tailing towards developers so that maybe the questions that they need answered don't need to go straight to you guys straight away. So I've got, like, what is the actual flood impact assessment?\n\nWhat does the 1% actually mean and stuff like that? So hopefully that helps you guys. Anyway. So That's very fine. Well, exactly.\n\nYeah. I I think what if that charges out, like I'm I'm pretty sure they're 2,250 plus per per hour. Mine mine's, like, I think the the most I charged out recently was about 200. And then if it was if it was a small if it was, like, data management, it goes down to, like, $1.60, $1.80. So, yeah, I I definitely am cheaper.\n\nTo me, I am definitely cheaper. I I guess the the other thing is, like, I I'd I'd want to the way that I wanna work is, for example, if you said this one, this is how much I've got, then I can say, yep. Okay. We can do it for that as opposed to as opposed to me, you know, giving up a high price and then you're saying, oh, I can't go down to that. Can you go down to here?\n\nAnd that's kind of the way I prefer it. It's like, yep. But if if if how much do you need it done for, and I'll try and do it for that. Okay. Thank you.\n\nThanks so much. Oh, it's so lovely to speak to you today. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Alright.\n\nWell, I'll speak to you soon. Alright. Thanks, Jay. 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This is Faye. Sorry. I missed your call an hour ago. Oh, I'm good. I'm good. It's Friday, and I'm working from home. That's really good. Yeah. It's it's free happening, to be honest. So this my team our team is about 10 people. So leading by Catherine Peters. So she's back to be our principal engineer at the moment. Yeah. A lot going on, I'd say. A lot of flight study going on. That's handled by Matt Wilson. I am helping, and I'm I'm in charge of the flight investigation, localized investigation, and and in house modeling. Yeah. We do have in house modeling now. We started two years ago with Infos ICM. Yeah. Have you have you used InfoWorks ICM? Well, this is pretty new to us. We have two licenses, but, unfortunately, nobody is determined or or or given given a very clear instruction to say you in charge, you have to do modeling. So two licenses, I use one of those most of the time. The other one is pretty much sitting there nobody's using. So I would say we have been using two and a half years for InfoWorks ICM, but pretty much first year is wasted because we are learning. We do not have a mentor. We do not have a external resource that guide us. Yeah. And now we're picking up picking up, but the question come back to us from Catherine. Why did we decided to use InfoWorks ICM instead of two flow two and a half years ago? So the question is, can we explore a bit more into two flow if we want to change two flow when Inflow's ICM license expire in another half year? Is it possible can we use two flows? So I was like, alright. Well, yeah, it's a bit tricky, I would say. And and, you know, you you're from are you doing modeling yourself? Yeah. It's it's very it is not really helpful to do a loan. You need a group of people. You need you need a you need a expert, especially. You need a expert. Well, the first reason is because before that, we used XPSTORM. And XPSTORM has yeah. The the software supplier or software designer, they XPSTORM was owned by Innovise, isn't it? So, yeah, I think Innovise on XP Storm, and then they discontinued this software. Thought of I don't know how they migrate into Infoworks ICM. That's why we get into discussion on this. And at that time, we were they were talking they were talking about a few software and exploring possibility. Someone say that IT, our IT may be not liking the the two flow executable. I don't he those kind of thing can maybe harmful. I don't know. Explore to viruses. I don't know what they discussed about. And at the end yeah. At the end, we have supplier talking to us, and we move into Infox ICM. So long story cut short. And then yes. Yes. I quite like after using I I didn't actually move very far into Influx ICM. So far, I have run two in house model. I have built and run two in house model. I quite like it because I have left when I worked with SKM when I was in Kuala Lumpur, we have a Kuala Lumpur SKM office, and we were we I was working I mean, the team the the we got trained by Greg Rosenham from Rosenham. I think Rosenham from from Brisbane office. So S Chem Brisbane sent Greg to train us up in Kuala Lumpur, and we have been supporting hydraulic modeling from KL. Most of the projects are in Queensland. And that's why I I get to use two flow at a time. But we always have someone in Brisbane support us, and we can chat in Skype. So we're using Skype that time. How is it why this happened? And they will guide us spontaneously on Skype chat much, much more. The learning curve is high at that time, and I used to flow for a few years. And coming to council, pretty much not using anything because Richard was the one that used XP Storm. I wasn't using for my first few years in council, just doing the flood assessment application, SPO application, planning permit, and all those administration work. And now start using Evolux ICM. I I think I quite I'm I'm starting to get used to it. At the moment, which is not long ago, starting two two weeks ago, Catherine say we we do have the QGIS two four plug in. Try to have a play whether there's anything blocking. IT also asked me that they got me a virtual machine. They said they have installed things in there, go and test, and and, yeah, play around with both software. I was like, okay. Yeah. I'm trying to because and and at the moment at the moment also supporting other internal re re referral from project delivery. They want yes. Yes. Quite a lot of work for me, actually. There's some, yeah, design team yeah. Supporting design team, transport team, they want to build a one back crossing, asking me whether there's any impact to people's driveway driveway if they install the one back crossing here. Will the overland floor impact on people's property, make their garage flooded? Design team saying they want to have GPT at this moment, give them hydrological assessment, what is the inflow they can take into design. Well, I can do I was calculating manually based on rainfall, based on land uses. You know, those hot Horton Horton land use values and estimate the flows. And, of of course, we have access to existing drainage system. They have additional inflow into the drainage system, blah blah blah. I come up with a short report. But at the end, I say, please note this is without flood modeling. So this is based on the assumption like this, one, two, three, four, five, and this is a flow. Yeah. Yeah. It is included. Yeah. The rainfall is built in. You can you can you can you can adopt you can choose Australian rainfall 2016 that's given there. Yeah. Yeah. They they have built in rainfall data already, which is quite rubbish. Yeah. Interesting because yeah. When when yeah. This question about whether how what what is the license, they were talking about one license is 30,000 a year. I see not really. On top of my head, it's not like that. It's not like we have two licenses, and we pay about 30 plus for three years, which is, like, about 10 10 10 plus thousand for one license for two license or 10 plus more than 10,000. Yeah. About 10,000 for two licenses. But I this is what I remember because I look at the invoice. I still remember the figure. And, yeah, I tried to look at the in invoice because someone asked me about the cost a while ago. However, like, Catherine, actually, he she she's yeah. Which is which is which is true. A lot of almost almost all consultant give us two flow model. Why and we have problem. We it's it's not like you can plug in two flow directly into Infowars ICM and get it run. No. You still need to because the input is different. The input is different. You have to you still have to change here and there. Some sometimes I have to go back to the raw this and, yeah, and start importing from this from the start, which is not I I'm not using consultants. I want the network layer from their model anyway, which is, I think, how it's not really helpful. To me, switch back to two flow. Yeah. Pros and cons and yeah. I I think I just I just we just need to adjust back to Chubo. That's all. Because I'm already used to Infomox IC and playing with it, like, every week. It's quite tiring. I wish I wish we used to flow two years ago. Yeah. Not just me. IT has helped a lot installing this and that. And they have this cloud cloud space. So we can we can have the data store in the cloud and then run run-in info ICM. Yeah. Oh, anyway. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Yeah. I think I think I talked too much. So what what yeah. Thanks for reaching out in in LinkedIn, though. And Mhmm. I can't remember the last time when we talk. I think the last time I met you was in Melbourne, one of the seminar or something. Can't really remember. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Did I initiate it? I think so. And you didn't come to the Storm of the Victoria's conference when it was in loan? Yeah. Oh, really? Okay. Fair enough. Fair enough. And and congratulations having your baby daughter. Yeah. I'm bringing your baby. Nice. There will be less should be not even one year old when you grow 10. Mhmm. Alright. Cool. Sorry? Me? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I came from I'm I'm still a Malaysian. Haven't converted yet, which we are we we have we want to convert already. Government has Australian government has increased the the visa renewal so much so much. Maybe you maybe you didn't know about it because it's not it's not your business anyway. So you used to as as a PR, as a as a as a permanent resident, we pay roughly $505,100 for five years renewal of the visa. So for five and now, which is about a month ago, they renew the fees from 500 500 is not exactly 500, 490 plus maybe, and they increased to 1,475. So close to $11,500. So 500 to 1,500 per person. 500. Five five five years. And my whole house, we have five people, three children, two adults, so five people. It's crazy. And and for five years, and we were thinking if we convert, we don't need to pay this. We if not convert. Sorry. People laugh at me when I use this word convert the citizenship. No. Change. Change the citizenship. Yes. Really? Penang in Malaysia. Yeah. Penang is a lovely town. Yeah. A lot of people like that. Yeah. And multilingual is not different languages. That's about once a year. So the next trip will be in sometime in September. I'm going back with only my daughter. Cost serving cost serving. So my husband and two sons, they they won't go back, but I'm going back. Because I yeah. We have I have some friends gathering. Sometime we arrange in in September. Yeah. And go back to see my mom as well. Yeah. Close to KL. What about one hour drive. So it's in a town called Seremban. That is about one hour drive from KL. Yes. Yes. Yeah. You have two already. Two children. Oh, the eldest is turning 15 this year, and the youngest, they are twins. Turning oh, sorry. Yeah. Turning 13. So 15 and 13. Yes. Oh, yeah. You say that that is so true. That is what my that's what I'm going through at the moment. And my my biggest enemy that stood between me and my children are the screens, different screens, iPad screen, iPhone screen, and the school laptop screen. So they use all those screens to play games. Most of the time, and I have to battle between them. Yeah. Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. Different stages, different challenge. Yeah. Yep. Definitely. How how's your is this your your company, this are you running it alone, or you have your staff? Check. Yeah. Yeah. Check every single details and yeah. Yeah. What what they want to what they want to build that you you mean oil and gas pipeline for what project is it? They are draw. Oh, alright. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah. So you for for the project that you just mentioned, you're just doing the you're doing the flat modeling for them, or you're doing the the pipeline design as well? Because I guess that would be, yeah, a thought building. Because I thought that building designing the the alignment for the pipelines would need some super engineers expertise. Yeah. Yeah. I see. I see. I got your point. So instead of putting pipe oil and gas pipelines, they actually can think about options of using renewable energy. That is what you would be supportive of. Is that what you mean? Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. I got that point. I got totally got it. That's really good good to know. Yeah. Good on you, though. Oh, other one, I'm not I'm not aware of yet. Oh, good. Good. I think. Yes. Good to know that you're you're you're doing, yeah, you're doing your your the the job that you think can help to the community and the environment. That is something that usually for consultancy, which is profit. Profit is the first probably the first important factor to keep the company going and sustain. They don't really talk think about whether or not they would tell the truth. Or if the client say you have signed this agreement not to reveal any of the information even if it's bad. So give it to yourself. Yeah. Those kind of yeah. I can I can totally understand why yeah? That's true. What you feel. Yes. Yeah. I I can't think of we we do have ongoing, like, every we we have a lot of active study projects at the moment with with different consultancy. I think if you want if you ask me, the challenge right now is whenever they deliver the the model to us, whether or not we can take into in house and and if we want to twist and if we have, let's say, a new set of lidar, can we just pop in and run the model ourselves? We still haven't reached that capability yet at the moment. And the yes. I think that is one part. It's it's our vision and our direction to have the in house modeling capability built. But who is going to build it is right now, build it is right now, it's it's heavy on me, but I have left to for for ten years already. So, actually, more than ten years. Twelve maybe plus that my time in Technip. So after I left SKM, I worked two years in Technip, and that was using SP stone, which is plus plus plus now ten years. So twelve years, I left to flow. If they if we want to build a to flow capability, we are far we are far from it. Yeah. If you ask me whether or not you like, a a a company or a small small setup business like you can help, also. I think it's helping us to build our in house modeling capability. Something like that. Yeah. Even even help to yeah. Yeah. Training session, and we have we have the model transfer from the consultant or the TGC, TF TFC, and all the ECF, those two profiles. And, yeah, how to move on there. Yes. And we don't have two flow install yet. We have we only have two flow demo version sort of installed by IT two days ago, yet to be tested yet to be tested. And it's in my hand, and I haven't really looked at that yet. And yeah. Right now. Yeah. But this is what I my view. Catherine maybe have a different different vision. What do we want to do? Yeah. And if you like like myself, multitasking, and if you're interested what I'm doing today, my whole day, I'm I'm devoted to do data management. So we do have network drives. We have one network drive, almost full, 10 terabyte full, and we requested IT for another 10 terabyte. And I'm moving around the data into new structure of the folder. If you're aware, Geelong has 25 catchment management unit. So the new network drive, we structure it by the CMUs or catchment management unit. We structure it by CMUs, and every CMU has its hydrology and hydraulics subfolders and then planning overlay subfolder, mitigation, local catchment assessment, which is my I will be mainly using this subcatchment sub subfolder to do the investigation and internal referral. And, yeah, more supporter. That's what we structure. Emergency management, IWM, and active project, ArcGIS Pro. Yeah. We're using ArcGIS Pro. So rearranging everything into a new structure. That's what I'm doing today, it's not going to finish. 10 terabyte. Can you imagine? So many files in the last past twenty years, and the the files are scattered everywhere into different subfolders, and we want to be more organized. I'm doing it now, which is sometimes is good because we I I just need to figure out this one, which folder to go. This file, this report, which folder to go instead of cracking my head on why the model cannot run. What is this error about? How to solve this error? Ask AI. Ask Google. Sometimes yeah. So moving fast around is much easier. Yeah. Interesting. Hopefully yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, we can use your service some other times, and hopefully your your company can do much better. I mean yeah. Yep. If you do have a chance to talk to Catherine, yeah, have a have a same chat with with her. And do you have your is it yes. Do you have a company website at all? I I can search it up too. Alright. Alright. We'll do that. We'll yeah. Sure. If we do have those small small smaller tasks that we need a consultant to help out, you know, I'll definitely I'll definitely think about your company. Because expected that the cost may be not as high as the big consultant that would take. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I'll let I'll let Catherine know that, yeah, we spoke. Worries. You too. You too. Thanks a lot. Have a great day. Yeah. I know you can. Yeah. Okay. Bye. Bye for now. 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Alex. This is Faye. Sorry. I missed your call an hour ago. Oh, I'm good.\n\nI'm good. It's Friday, and I'm working from home. That's really good. Yeah. It's it's free happening, to be honest.\n\nSo this my team our team is about 10 people. So leading by Catherine Peters. So she's back to be our principal engineer at the moment. Yeah. A lot going on, I'd say.\n\nA lot of flight study going on. That's handled by Matt Wilson. I am helping, and I'm I'm in charge of the flight investigation, localized investigation, and and in house modeling. Yeah. We do have in house modeling now.\n\nWe started two years ago with Infos ICM. Yeah. Have you have you used InfoWorks ICM? Well, this is pretty new to us. We have two licenses, but, unfortunately, nobody is determined or or or given given a very clear instruction to say you in charge, you have to do modeling.\n\nSo two licenses, I use one of those most of the time. The other one is pretty much sitting there nobody's using. So I would say we have been using two and a half years for InfoWorks ICM, but pretty much first year is wasted because we are learning. We do not have a mentor. We do not have a external resource that guide us.\n\nYeah. And now we're picking up picking up, but the question come back to us from Catherine. Why did we decided to use InfoWorks ICM instead of two flow two and a half years ago? So the question is, can we explore a bit more into two flow if we want to change two flow when Inflow's ICM license expire in another half year? Is it possible can we use two flows?\n\nSo I was like, alright. Well, yeah, it's a bit tricky, I would say. And and, you know, you you're from are you doing modeling yourself? Yeah. It's it's very it is not really helpful to do a loan.\n\nYou need a group of people. You need you need a you need a expert, especially. You need a expert. Well, the first reason is because before that, we used XPSTORM. And XPSTORM has yeah.\n\nThe the software supplier or software designer, they XPSTORM was owned by Innovise, isn't it? So, yeah, I think Innovise on XP Storm, and then they discontinued this software. Thought of I don't know how they migrate into Infoworks ICM. That's why we get into discussion on this. And at that time, we were they were talking they were talking about a few software and exploring possibility.\n\nSomeone say that IT, our IT may be not liking the the two flow executable. I don't he those kind of thing can maybe harmful. I don't know. Explore to viruses. I don't know what they discussed about.\n\nAnd at the end yeah. At the end, we have supplier talking to us, and we move into Infox ICM. So long story cut short. And then yes. Yes.\n\nI quite like after using I I didn't actually move very far into Influx ICM. So far, I have run two in house model. I have built and run two in house model. I quite like it because I have left when I worked with SKM when I was in Kuala Lumpur, we have a Kuala Lumpur SKM office, and we were we I was working I mean, the team the the we got trained by Greg Rosenham from Rosenham. I think Rosenham from from Brisbane office.\n\nSo S Chem Brisbane sent Greg to train us up in Kuala Lumpur, and we have been supporting hydraulic modeling from KL. Most of the projects are in Queensland. And that's why I I get to use two flow at a time. But we always have someone in Brisbane support us, and we can chat in Skype. So we're using Skype that time.\n\nHow is it why this happened? And they will guide us spontaneously on Skype chat much, much more. The learning curve is high at that time, and I used to flow for a few years. And coming to council, pretty much not using anything because Richard was the one that used XP Storm. I wasn't using for my first few years in council, just doing the flood assessment application, SPO application, planning permit, and all those administration work.\n\nAnd now start using Evolux ICM. I I think I quite I'm I'm starting to get used to it. At the moment, which is not long ago, starting two two weeks ago, Catherine say we we do have the QGIS two four plug in. Try to have a play whether there's anything blocking. IT also asked me that they got me a virtual machine.\n\nThey said they have installed things in there, go and test, and and, yeah, play around with both software. I was like, okay. Yeah. I'm trying to because and and at the moment at the moment also supporting other internal re re referral from project delivery. They want yes.\n\nYes. Quite a lot of work for me, actually. There's some, yeah, design team yeah. Supporting design team, transport team, they want to build a one back crossing, asking me whether there's any impact to people's driveway driveway if they install the one back crossing here. Will the overland floor impact on people's property, make their garage flooded?\n\nDesign team saying they want to have GPT at this moment, give them hydrological assessment, what is the inflow they can take into design. Well, I can do I was calculating manually based on rainfall, based on land uses. You know, those hot Horton Horton land use values and estimate the flows. And, of of course, we have access to existing drainage system. They have additional inflow into the drainage system, blah blah blah.\n\nI come up with a short report. But at the end, I say, please note this is without flood modeling. So this is based on the assumption like this, one, two, three, four, five, and this is a flow. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nIt is included. Yeah. The rainfall is built in. You can you can you can you can adopt you can choose Australian rainfall 2016 that's given there. Yeah.\n\nYeah. They they have built in rainfall data already, which is quite rubbish. Yeah. Interesting because yeah. When when yeah.\n\nThis question about whether how what what is the license, they were talking about one license is 30,000 a year. I see not really. On top of my head, it's not like that. It's not like we have two licenses, and we pay about 30 plus for three years, which is, like, about 10 10 10 plus thousand for one license for two license or 10 plus more than 10,000. Yeah.\n\nAbout 10,000 for two licenses. But I this is what I remember because I look at the invoice. I still remember the figure. And, yeah, I tried to look at the in invoice because someone asked me about the cost a while ago. However, like, Catherine, actually, he she she's yeah.\n\nWhich is which is which is true. A lot of almost almost all consultant give us two flow model. Why and we have problem. We it's it's not like you can plug in two flow directly into Infowars ICM and get it run. No.\n\nYou still need to because the input is different. The input is different. You have to you still have to change here and there. Some sometimes I have to go back to the raw this and, yeah, and start importing from this from the start, which is not I I'm not using consultants. I want the network layer from their model anyway, which is, I think, how it's not really helpful.\n\nTo me, switch back to two flow. Yeah. Pros and cons and yeah. I I think I just I just we just need to adjust back to Chubo. That's all.\n\nBecause I'm already used to Infomox IC and playing with it, like, every week. It's quite tiring. I wish I wish we used to flow two years ago. Yeah. Not just me.\n\nIT has helped a lot installing this and that. And they have this cloud cloud space. So we can we can have the data store in the cloud and then run run-in info ICM. Yeah. Oh, anyway.\n\nMhmm. Mhmm. Yes. Yeah. I think I think I talked too much.\n\nSo what what yeah. Thanks for reaching out in in LinkedIn, though. And Mhmm. I can't remember the last time when we talk. I think the last time I met you was in Melbourne, one of the seminar or something.\n\nCan't really remember. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Did I initiate it?\n\nI think so. And you didn't come to the Storm of the Victoria's conference when it was in loan? Yeah. Oh, really? Okay.\n\nFair enough. Fair enough. And and congratulations having your baby daughter. Yeah. I'm bringing your baby.\n\nNice. There will be less should be not even one year old when you grow 10. Mhmm. Alright. Cool.\n\nSorry? Me? Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nI came from I'm I'm still a Malaysian. Haven't converted yet, which we are we we have we want to convert already. Government has Australian government has increased the the visa renewal so much so much. Maybe you maybe you didn't know about it because it's not it's not your business anyway. So you used to as as a PR, as a as a as a permanent resident, we pay roughly $505,100 for five years renewal of the visa.\n\nSo for five and now, which is about a month ago, they renew the fees from 500 500 is not exactly 500, 490 plus maybe, and they increased to 1,475. So close to $11,500. So 500 to 1,500 per person. 500. Five five five years.\n\nAnd my whole house, we have five people, three children, two adults, so five people. It's crazy. And and for five years, and we were thinking if we convert, we don't need to pay this. We if not convert. Sorry.\n\nPeople laugh at me when I use this word convert the citizenship. No. Change. Change the citizenship. Yes.\n\nReally? Penang in Malaysia. Yeah. Penang is a lovely town. Yeah.\n\nA lot of people like that. Yeah. And multilingual is not different languages. That's about once a year. So the next trip will be in sometime in September.\n\nI'm going back with only my daughter. Cost serving cost serving. So my husband and two sons, they they won't go back, but I'm going back. Because I yeah. We have I have some friends gathering.\n\nSometime we arrange in in September. Yeah. And go back to see my mom as well. Yeah. Close to KL.\n\nWhat about one hour drive. So it's in a town called Seremban. That is about one hour drive from KL. Yes. Yes.\n\nYeah. You have two already. Two children. Oh, the eldest is turning 15 this year, and the youngest, they are twins. Turning oh, sorry.\n\nYeah. Turning 13. So 15 and 13. Yes. Oh, yeah.\n\nYou say that that is so true. That is what my that's what I'm going through at the moment. And my my biggest enemy that stood between me and my children are the screens, different screens, iPad screen, iPhone screen, and the school laptop screen. So they use all those screens to play games. Most of the time, and I have to battle between them.\n\nYeah. Yep. Mhmm. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nDifferent stages, different challenge. Yeah. Yep. Definitely. How how's your is this your your company, this are you running it alone, or you have your staff?\n\nCheck. Yeah. Yeah. Check every single details and yeah. Yeah.\n\nWhat what they want to what they want to build that you you mean oil and gas pipeline for what project is it? They are draw. Oh, alright. Mhmm. Yeah.\n\nYeah. So you for for the project that you just mentioned, you're just doing the you're doing the flat modeling for them, or you're doing the the pipeline design as well? Because I guess that would be, yeah, a thought building. Because I thought that building designing the the alignment for the pipelines would need some super engineers expertise. Yeah.\n\nYeah. I see. I see. I got your point. So instead of putting pipe oil and gas pipelines, they actually can think about options of using renewable energy.\n\nThat is what you would be supportive of. Is that what you mean? Mhmm. Mhmm. Mhmm.\n\nYep. Yeah. Yeah. I got that point. I got totally got it.\n\nThat's really good good to know. Yeah. Good on you, though. Oh, other one, I'm not I'm not aware of yet. Oh, good.\n\nGood. I think. Yes. Good to know that you're you're you're doing, yeah, you're doing your your the the job that you think can help to the community and the environment. That is something that usually for consultancy, which is profit.\n\nProfit is the first probably the first important factor to keep the company going and sustain. They don't really talk think about whether or not they would tell the truth. Or if the client say you have signed this agreement not to reveal any of the information even if it's bad. So give it to yourself. Yeah.\n\nThose kind of yeah. I can I can totally understand why yeah? That's true. What you feel. Yes.\n\nYeah. I I can't think of we we do have ongoing, like, every we we have a lot of active study projects at the moment with with different consultancy. I think if you want if you ask me, the challenge right now is whenever they deliver the the model to us, whether or not we can take into in house and and if we want to twist and if we have, let's say, a new set of lidar, can we just pop in and run the model ourselves? We still haven't reached that capability yet at the moment. And the yes.\n\nI think that is one part. It's it's our vision and our direction to have the in house modeling capability built. But who is going to build it is right now, build it is right now, it's it's heavy on me, but I have left to for for ten years already. So, actually, more than ten years. Twelve maybe plus that my time in Technip.\n\nSo after I left SKM, I worked two years in Technip, and that was using SP stone, which is plus plus plus now ten years. So twelve years, I left to flow. If they if we want to build a to flow capability, we are far we are far from it. Yeah. 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Speaking.\n\nChannel 1: Hi, Alex. This is Faye. Sorry. I missed your call an hour ago.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, no worries. Hey. How are you?\n\nChannel 1: Oh, I'm good. I'm good. It's Friday, and\n\nChannel 0: Thank\n\nChannel 1: I'm\n\nChannel 0: you.\n\nChannel 1: working from home. That's really\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: good.\n\nChannel 0: That's right. That's the way to be. How's that\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: how is the council going? How's how's the city?\n\nChannel 1: It's it's free happening, to be honest. So this\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: my team our team is about 10 people. So leading by Catherine Peters. So she's back to be our principal engineer at the moment. Yeah. A lot going on, I'd say.\n\nA lot of flight study going on. That's handled by Matt Wilson. I am helping, and I'm I'm in charge of the flight investigation, localized investigation, and and in house modeling. Yeah. We do have in house modeling now.\n\nWe started two years ago with Infos ICM.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, I didn't see, guys.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I didn't let you\n\nChannel 1: Have\n\nChannel 0: get\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: that. I called.\n\nChannel 1: have you used InfoWorks ICM? Well, this is pretty new to us. We have two licenses, but, unfortunately, nobody is determined or or or given given a very clear instruction to say you in charge, you have to do modeling. So two licenses, I use one of those most of the time. The other one is pretty much sitting there nobody's using.\n\nSo I would say we have been using two and a half years for InfoWorks ICM, but pretty much first year is wasted because we are learning. We do not have a mentor. We do not have a external resource that guide us.\n\nChannel 0: No. No.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. And now we're picking up picking up, but the question come back to us from Catherine. Why did we decided to use InfoWorks ICM instead of two flow two and\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: a half years ago? So the question is, can we explore a bit more into two flow if we want to change two flow when Inflow's ICM license expire in another half year? Is it possible can we use two flows? So I was like, alright. Well, yeah, it's a bit tricky, I would say.\n\nAnd and, you know, you you're from are you doing modeling yourself?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I do. Yeah. Exactly. Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. It's it's very it is not really helpful to do a loan. You need a group of people. You need you need\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. You\n\nChannel 1: a\n\nChannel 0: do.\n\nChannel 1: you need a expert, especially. You need\n\nChannel 0: You\n\nChannel 1: a expert.\n\nChannel 0: do. But InfoWorks so I worked. I did InfoWorks. I actually helped was building the Toronto in Canada. They're InfoWorks study.\n\nSo they they used it, but I found it. It it's a really incredibly expensive license. And also, not any of the people know how to do it, and it it's it doesn't seem to be yeah. It's more in in Victoria sorry. In Australia, it's more too slow for a quick assessment.\n\nAt least that's what most counsel I'm sorry. Most consultants use. So yeah. It's interesting. It's interesting that I didn't realize you used InfoWorks for it.\n\nIs that is that just to assess, like, assess the callers and stuff? Or is what what's the what what's the main reason why you went with InfoWorks?\n\nChannel 1: Well, the first reason is because before that, we used XPSTORM. And XPSTORM has yeah. The the software supplier or software designer, they XPSTORM was owned by Innovise, isn't it? So,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, I think Innovise on XP Storm, and then they discontinued this software. Thought\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: of I don't know how they migrate into Infoworks ICM. That's why we get into discussion on this. And at that time, we were they were talking they were talking about a few software and exploring possibility. Someone say that IT, our IT may be not liking the the two flow executable. I don't he those kind of thing can\n\nChannel 0: Oh, okay.\n\nChannel 1: maybe harmful. I don't know. Explore to viruses. I don't know what they discussed about. And\n\nChannel 0: What\n\nChannel 1: at\n\nChannel 0: is\n\nChannel 1: the end\n\nChannel 0: this?\n\nChannel 1: yeah. At the end, we have supplier talking to us, and we move into Infox ICM. So long story cut short.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: And then\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Interesting.\n\nChannel 1: yes. Yes. I quite like\n\nChannel 0: Thank you.\n\nChannel 1: after using I I didn't actually move very far into Influx ICM. So far, I have run two in house model. I have built and\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: run two in house model. I quite like it because I have left when I worked with SKM when I was in Kuala Lumpur,\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Yes.\n\nChannel 1: we have a Kuala Lumpur SKM office, and we were we I was working I mean, the team the the we got trained by Greg Rosenham from Rosenham. I think Rosenham from from Brisbane office. So S Chem Brisbane sent Greg to train us up in Kuala Lumpur, and we have been supporting hydraulic modeling from KL. Most of the projects are in Queensland. And that's why I I get to use two flow at a time.\n\nBut we always have someone in Brisbane support us, and we can chat in Skype. So we're using Skype that time. How is it why this happened? And they will guide us spontaneously on Skype chat much, much more. The learning curve is high at that time, and I used to flow for a few years.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And coming to council, pretty much not using anything because Richard was the one that used XP Storm. I wasn't using for my first few years in council, just doing the\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: flood assessment application, SPO application, planning permit, and all those administration work.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And now start using Evolux ICM. I I think I quite I'm I'm starting to get used to it.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: At the moment, which is not long ago, starting two two weeks ago, Catherine say we we do have the QGIS two four plug in. Try to have a play whether there's anything blocking. IT also\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: asked me that they got me a virtual machine. They said they have installed things in there, go and test,\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: and and, yeah, play around with both software. I was like, okay. Yeah. I'm trying to because and and at the moment at the moment also supporting other internal re re referral from project\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: delivery. They want yes. Yes. Quite a lot of work for me, actually.\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: There's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: some,\n\nChannel 0: I like it. Well, yeah,\n\nChannel 1: yeah,\n\nChannel 0: the\n\nChannel 1: design\n\nChannel 0: difference\n\nChannel 1: team\n\nChannel 0: is\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Supporting design team, transport team, they want to build a one back crossing, asking me whether there's any impact to people's driveway driveway if they install the one back crossing here. Will the overland floor impact on people's property, make their garage flooded?\n\nChannel 0: How interesting.\n\nChannel 1: Design team saying they want to have GPT at this moment, give them hydrological assessment, what is the inflow they can take into design. Well, I can do I was calculating manually based on rainfall, based on land uses. You know,\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: those hot Horton Horton land use values and estimate the flows. And, of of course, we have access to existing drainage system. They have additional inflow into the drainage system, blah blah blah. I come up with a short report. But at the end, I say, please note this is without flood modeling.\n\nSo this is based on the assumption like this, one, two, three, four, five, and this is a flow.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Interesting. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Well, that makes yeah. It's it's I mean, I I knew that you guys were doing quite a lot of work, but I didn't realize it was that extensive. Honestly, that's that's pretty intense. It's a lot of new parts that you're managing.\n\nAnd and, Steven, just the difference, like, I I the thing I hear about Infoworks is, like, if if, for example, a residential development was impacted by a flood, at least with two flow I mean, I'm not really sure about Inflow Works, but we could you can get a a hydrograph, put it in, and then sorry. And then you'd be able to give it to the clients, and then they'd be able to figure out how to how how to take they'd put it into their own two point model and then build it from there, and that's like a a relatively clean way to do it. And I know that's what we do for, like, councils in Melbourne and for Melbourne Water. But, yeah, with InfoWorks, I'm I'm sure you probably get the flow out, but I guess it depends on what flow you get. And and because it's not because InfoWorks isn't an Australian one, is it?\n\nIt's not a like, the hydrology isn't Australian per se. I mean, obviously, you can put it in there, but it's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: It is\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: included.\n\nChannel 0: it's a\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. The rainfall is built\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: in. You can you can you can you can adopt\n\nChannel 0: okay.\n\nChannel 1: you can choose Australian rainfall 2016 that's given there. Yeah. Yeah. They they have built in rainfall data already, which is quite rubbish. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: How about\n\nChannel 1: Interesting\n\nChannel 0: the AR\n\nChannel 1: because\n\nChannel 0: and R approach? Oh, sorry. Sorry.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. When when yeah. This question about whether how what what is the license, they were talking about one license is 30,000 a year. I see not really. On top of my head, it's not like that.\n\nIt's not like we have two licenses, and we pay about 30 plus for three years,\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: which is,\n\nChannel 0: okay.\n\nChannel 1: like,\n\nChannel 0: Oh, okay.\n\nChannel 1: about 10\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: 10 10 plus thousand for one license for two license or 10 plus more than 10,000. Yeah. About\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: 10,000 for two licenses. But I this is what I remember because I look at the invoice. I still remember the figure. And, yeah, I tried to look at the in invoice because someone asked me about the cost a while ago. However, like, Catherine, actually, he she she's yeah.\n\nWhich is which is which is true. A lot of almost almost all consultant give us two flow model.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: Why and we have problem. We it's it's not like you can plug in two flow directly into Infowars ICM and get it run. No. You still need to because the input is different. The\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: input is different. You have to you still have to change here and there. Some sometimes I have to go back to the raw this and, yeah, and start importing\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: from this from the start, which is not I I'm not using consultants. I want the network layer from their model anyway, which\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: is, I think, how it's not really helpful. To\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: me, switch back to two flow. Yeah. Pros and cons and yeah. I I think I\n\nChannel 0: Interesting.\n\nChannel 1: just I just we just need to adjust back to Chubo. That's all. Because I'm\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: already used to Infomox IC and playing with it, like, every week. It's quite tiring.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: I wish I wish we used to flow two years ago.\n\nChannel 0: amazing. Yeah. Yeah. You've you've you've gone so far down that one path using ICM, and now you now you have to give it back is really frustrating, I can imagine.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Not just me. IT has helped a lot installing this and that. And they have this cloud\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: cloud space. So we can we can have the data store in the cloud and then run run-in info ICM.\n\nChannel 0: sure. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Oh,\n\nChannel 0: That\n\nChannel 1: anyway.\n\nChannel 0: that makes sense. It's yeah. Well and and I know I I know that there's with TruFlow, there's, like, a a conversion guide or something in the from InfoWorks to ICM sorry. From from sorry. Up from my in in ICM, InfoWorks to to flow, but I think it's not really it's not like a straightforward this it it's exactly exported out that way.\n\nYou still have to go through everything to make sure that this actually works.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Interesting. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: Right.\n\nChannel 1: Yes. Yeah. I think\n\nChannel 0: So you\n\nChannel 1: I think\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I talked\n\nChannel 0: You've\n\nChannel 1: too\n\nChannel 0: got\n\nChannel 1: much. So what what yeah. Thanks for reaching out in in LinkedIn, though. And\n\nChannel 0: no. I I just I haven't spoken to certain peep to friends and from digital on you know, for ages, and I've I've finally, like my business has gotten stable enough and and Tom put in, I guess well, not competent, but, like, it has grown enough so that I can feel like I if if I do ever need it could be if I could ever help, I could actually help. And so I just wanted to, like, I guess reach out and and, yeah, see see reconnect. And, yeah, it's it's one of those things where I I get I got a bit I got a bit lost or, I guess, in my own head about trying to make sure that what what what this business would mean and and, you know, just working through it. And it it I feel like sometimes I I forget to really speak to the people I I I used to talk to, and and so I'm just trying to get better at that again.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: So, yeah, I I I again, I haven't yeah. Like I said, I haven't spoken to you in such a long time. And I was speaking, yeah, to to Lola, and she was telling me a few different things that that her that her part of the business will need into the future. And so it was kinda cool. It was, like, giving me a few little ideas of what I could do to find, like, a separate little bit of work that other people aren't doing very much of or it was yeah.\n\nIt was just nice. It's like, oh, I I remember why I used to, like, talking to and and just, yeah, what those relationships mean. It was yeah. So it was just and then, yeah, she she was just like, oh, yeah. You know, I haven't seen such a long time.\n\nSo yeah. Because I feel like last time, it might have even been the road duplication that I was talking to you about. And I don't I mean, I know that that's miles down the track now. But, yeah, I think I feel like that that was was so it was so long ago.\n\nChannel 1: I can't remember the last time when we talk. I think the last time I met you was in Melbourne, one of the seminar or something. Can't really\n\nChannel 0: Oh, the\n\nChannel 1: remember.\n\nChannel 0: climate change seminar.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Did I initiate it? I think so.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I did. That's right. Because I was presenting and and I yeah. Honestly, I was because I was up the front, I everyone I spoke to beforehand, I didn't really remember because I was so stressed about having up and talking in front of everyone.\n\nChannel 1: And you didn't come to the Storm of the Victoria's conference when it was in\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: loan?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I went to\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I only went to the dinner because\n\nChannel 1: Oh, really?\n\nChannel 0: yeah. I just I I had just recently had a a daughter, and I couldn't really get away for a long time. And that was also just a bit like I I I'm, yeah, I couldn't\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: I couldn't believe you for that long. I really wish I had been able to come down the whole thing, but,\n\nChannel 1: Fair\n\nChannel 0: yeah,\n\nChannel 1: enough.\n\nChannel 0: I guess, other duties take precedence.\n\nChannel 1: Fair enough. And and congratulations having your\n\nChannel 0: Thank you.\n\nChannel 1: baby\n\nChannel 0: Thank\n\nChannel 1: daughter.\n\nChannel 0: you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: yeah, we're actually going away. We're going to we're going to Bali in a couple of months for for a week or so just to get out of the cold and and, yeah, just\n\nChannel 1: I'm bringing\n\nChannel 0: have a\n\nChannel 1: your\n\nChannel 0: bit\n\nChannel 1: baby.\n\nChannel 0: of a yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Nice. There will be less should be not even one year old when you grow 10.\n\nChannel 0: No. Yeah. Well, we went to we went there with my son when he was six months old, and that was it was really easy because they're just a blob. They don't really move anywhere. We we went with my son to Japan when he was three, and that he was running everywhere, and that was very stressful.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Alright.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Cool.\n\nChannel 0: So, yeah, I'd love to I'd love to yeah. I I've, yeah, I've I've been wanting to go away a bit before. I didn't realize he'd did did they used to live in Kuala Lumpur?\n\nChannel 1: Sorry? Me?\n\nChannel 0: They used\n\nChannel 1: Oh, yeah.\n\nChannel 0: to live in.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. I came from I'm I'm still a Malaysian. Haven't converted yet, which we are we we have we want to convert already. Government has Australian government has increased the the visa renewal so much so\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: much. Maybe you maybe you didn't know about it because it's not it's not your business anyway.\n\nChannel 0: Hello.\n\nChannel 1: So you used to as as a PR, as a as a as a permanent resident, we pay roughly $505,100 for five years renewal of the visa. So for five and now, which is about a month ago, they renew the fees from 500 500 is not exactly 500, 490 plus maybe, and they increased to 1,475. So close to $11,500. So 500 to 1,500 per person. 500.\n\nFive five five years. And my whole house, we have five people, three children, two adults, so five people.\n\nChannel 0: Wow. Oh, you have to do it for everyone? Wow. That's crazy.\n\nChannel 1: It's crazy. And and for five years, and we were thinking if we convert, we don't need to pay this. We if not convert. Sorry. People laugh at me when I use this word convert the citizenship.\n\nNo. Change. Change the citizenship.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. No.\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: What? It's funny. Yeah. No. I I I appreciate that.\n\nI I'm very I'm I'm curious just because I to be honest, I my partner and I have always wanted to live oh, sorry. To work and live overseas for a long for a couple years. I used to live I lived in Italy for a little bit, but I actually would have I've Penang is really high up on my list to live. I\n\nChannel 1: Really?\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Penang\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: in Malaysia.\n\nChannel 0: I love I love Malaysia. I I Malaysia was one of my I think it's one of my favorite holidays I've ever seen before in Malaysia would just it was just food heaven.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Penang is a lovely town. Yeah. A lot of people like that.\n\nChannel 0: It's good. It's so pretty and yeah. I don't know. It just yeah. I I I like the way because I felt like it was it's just so many different people in one place.\n\nIt was yeah. It was very nice. It's a bit of a place.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. And multilingual is not different languages.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. And and and, like, English was not that it was not that hard to get away with English, but then, yeah, it was just yeah. It's amazing. It's a that's a beautiful place. Did you go back often?\n\nOr\n\nChannel 1: about once a year. So the next trip\n\nChannel 0: Oh, okay.\n\nChannel 1: will be in sometime in September. I'm going back with only my daughter. Cost serving cost serving. So my husband and two sons, they they won't go back, but I'm going back. Because I yeah.\n\nWe have I have some friends gathering. Sometime we arrange in in September. Yeah. And go back to see my mom as well.\n\nChannel 0: Hold M C V\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: K L.\n\nChannel 1: Close to KL. What about one hour drive. So it's in a town called\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Seremban. That is about one hour drive from KL.\n\nChannel 0: don't know. It's okay. Yeah. Cool. So there you go.\n\nI didn't yeah. I yeah. Once once the year sounds nice, but it's nice to get away. I mean, as as you can. Although, yeah, I'm imagining with prices of flights and everything, it's become it's becoming harder and harder.\n\nChannel 1: Yes. Yes. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Sorry. Oh,\n\nChannel 1: You have two already. Two children.\n\nChannel 0: but yeah. Three children. How old are you children?\n\nChannel 1: Oh, the eldest is turning 15 this year, and the youngest, they are twins. Turning oh, sorry. Yeah. Turning 13. So 15 and 13.\n\nChannel 0: Wow. Forty years. That's 63. Yeah. Wow.\n\nThere you go. I'm not\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. I'm nowhere near that, but I I'm always afraid of the yeah. Of that of that age since that yeah. A lot of emotions, a lot of things going on.\n\nChannel 1: Oh, yeah. You say that that is so true. That is what my that's what I'm going through at the moment. And my my biggest enemy that stood between me and my children are the screens, different screens, iPad screen, iPhone screen, and the school laptop screen. So they use all those screens to play games.\n\nMost of the time, and I have to battle between them. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Sure. Yes. That that would be frustrating. Yep. I understand that.\n\nI can appreciate\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: that. But, yeah, I I mean, I I don't the word is for me is, like, when Billy starts watching when my son starts watching TV, he just owns that completely, but I can't imagine. But if he likes with them on their phones and on their iPads and iPads and pads and all that kind of stuff would be yeah. It's hard to be like, we have a conversation. Just wanna\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: talk.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. Different stages, different challenge. Yeah. Yep.\n\nDefinitely. How how's your is this your your company, this\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Lovely. Yes.\n\nChannel 1: are you running it alone, or you have your staff?\n\nChannel 0: So I've got two staff. I used to have a few more, but I I just it was becoming a little bit too stressful, honestly. And so I I I've now the way that I'm gonna set up the business is I'm looking at hiring just senior staff instead of having any grads or juniors. I I had a few juniors, and I just realized that I was spending more than half the day trying to well, just just training them and then fixing up their mistakes and all that kind of stuff. And and it's just not it it was just too much for just one person to do, I think.\n\nAnd so I've just decided that, yeah, I'll just we'll just be me and a couple of other senior engineers. And the good thing about that, it means that I can we we like, I'm really confident that they can just write everything and, I guess, yeah, just deliver everything I want them to deliver rather than having to look over their\n\nChannel 1: Check.\n\nChannel 0: shoulder.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: You know? Like, it yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: It's it's\n\nChannel 1: Check\n\nChannel 0: nice.\n\nChannel 1: every single details\n\nChannel 0: So\n\nChannel 1: and yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that's right. Yeah. And and I just found yeah. With something with the grads, I found that the use of AI was just really it was really strong. Like, it was in in every report I was reviewing, I just saw that they'd that it what had been written out was AI a version of AI, and I just couldn't it wasn't yeah.\n\nIt's not I don't it's not a good look. And and and and it's pretty obvious, I reckon, when you re look through it, and you can be like, yes. This is definitely written by someone. So it's owned by by a machine. So, yeah, I'm I'm I wanted to go with someone who had to already write a lot of reports, and and so they know that if they use AI, it's more of like a final check as opposed to a as to writing it.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: So yeah. So there's we've got our own office. We're got an office in Preston in Melbourne, which is nice. And I get they they they I'm actually here by myself today, but they're usually in most days, which is really nice. And, yeah, it's it's it's it's a big it's a big challenge running a business because there's so many different aspects to it, but I do really like it.\n\nLike, it is nice to like, for example, the other day, I had some a client come and said that they wanna build a oil and gas pipeline, and I disagree with oil and gas. I I don't I don't think it's towards our future, and so I said no.\n\nChannel 1: What what they want to what they want to build that you you mean oil and gas pipeline for what project is it? They\n\nChannel 0: And\n\nChannel 1: are draw.\n\nChannel 0: To to to through farmland to to move gas and oil from one part to another. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Oh, alright.\n\nChannel 0: So so it was gonna be like they they have to rip up grassland. They'd have to rip it it and and so they needed a flood assessment for it. And because I don't I I I do a lot of renewable development, like solar farms and and wind farms and all those type of things. And so, like, I I would able to say to them, I'm sorry. It's not within our ethics.\n\nBut, you know, when I used to work at bigger companies, I would have to do it.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: So so it's nice to I don't know. There's I really like that that I can really be I don't know. Stick to my ethics a lot more than I felt like when I was in a big one.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Because that that'd been nice. And, yeah,\n\nChannel 1: So you\n\nChannel 0: just I'll be\n\nChannel 1: for for the project that you just mentioned, you're just doing the you're doing the flat modeling for them, or you're doing the the pipeline design as well? Because I guess\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: would be\n\nChannel 1: would\n\nChannel 0: doing\n\nChannel 1: be,\n\nChannel 0: the flood modeling.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, a thought building. Because I thought\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: that building designing the the alignment for the pipelines would need\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: some\n\nChannel 0: I wouldn't\n\nChannel 1: super engineers\n\nChannel 0: design. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: expertise. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I mean,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: if there was culverts and bridges and what have you, I could do the design. But the the problem is that the the way that I ratified it was they they're going for planning permit approval. So my assessment will help them get approval to do what they need to do. So even though I'm not working on the line, I know that the work that I would do would help them to get it built. And I don't I like, I'd prefer to be doing a, you know, Brad sorry.\n\nA a call that for renewable development that I know is gonna actually provide ongoing, you know, get get away from the brown and black infrastructure that isn't yeah. Our climate change projections aren't getting any better, so I\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: prefer\n\nChannel 1: see.\n\nChannel 0: to\n\nChannel 1: I see.\n\nChannel 0: try\n\nChannel 1: I got\n\nChannel 0: and\n\nChannel 1: your point.\n\nChannel 0: do\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: things\n\nChannel 1: instead\n\nChannel 0: that\n\nChannel 1: of putting\n\nChannel 0: will\n\nChannel 1: pipe\n\nChannel 0: help the climate\n\nChannel 1: oil and\n\nChannel 0: plan.\n\nChannel 1: gas pipelines, they actually can think about options of using renewable energy. That is what you would be supportive of. Is that what\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: right. Yeah. Yeah. So if if it was a pipeline where the I I don't know. If the if the oil needed to go to the renewable development and\n\nChannel 1: mean?\n\nChannel 0: it was helping, I don't know, you know, make it more effective or efficient, then I then I'd be okay with it because at least it means it's helping the energy transition. But because it was literally just helping pump gas to a huge refinery, it was just like so essentially, it was just doing the thing that I don't think is what we should be doing. It's like yeah. Which is not yeah. It wasn't there was not there was nothing really redeeming about it.\n\nYou know? It was just it was just going to go straight into the petrol gas system and and, you know, just go out into the acre, and I just really didn't, yeah, I didn't wanna I don't wanna be one of those that contribute to it. And\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. Because I I've done other assessments, Faye, where I remember doing one. I used to work for GHD, and there was a a dam out in Ballarat that we got hired by the people who are in the dam to do a dam break assessment. And the assessment\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: showed that all of these houses downstream would basically be wiped out.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 0: But because it was a private investigation, we can't we couldn't tell anyone. And I just stuff like that, I just feel if you're doing what what those those people don't know their risk. Like, they don't understand what what their what their potential risk is, and it just makes me feel uncomfortable. Like, I I want to do a flood study or a flood impact assessment for like, I've I've done a bit with council recently, but with, like, developers or council or, you know, CMAs or whatever that I know the risk will be actually articulated properly. Like, the the the people around will actually know what their risk is.\n\nAnd, like, I've I've been re I've been really lucky. I've been working in the works for Melbourne Water. I helped write their the flood impact assessment guidelines, and the one they they brought out a new practice note for flood impact assessment. So I I I helped write that, and and it's it's, like, it's really nice because it's, like, actually quantifying risk and hazard, and and the idea is to be like, well, look, if it's if it's the flood if the flood increases by this much, but it's on a rural road that no one drives down, then maybe it's not a what we maybe we shouldn't need to worry about it being exactly this many mil. You know what I mean?\n\nLike, I I I I've been able to do stuff like\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: that, which is really broad. I really like that. So, yeah, I I just prefer to do projects where I think I'm actually making a difference or, you know, helping the community and helping the environment rather than things that probably aren't gonna help anyone. Well, I'm sorry. Not well, it may not.\n\nI'm sorry. The oil and gas might help with some people, but it typically isn't like a it's not a way to of our future, I guess.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. I got that point. I got totally got it. That's really\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: good good to know. Yeah. Good on you, though.\n\nChannel 0: Thank you. Yeah. It's yeah. I I think it's I don't know. I think it's I I I never actually, to to be honest, at the CMA, I'm I'm sure you probably feel similar as counsel.\n\nI never really had to worry about my ethical obligations. Like, I always felt like we were always just trying to do the best for the community or for the floodplain. But in private consulting, I've always found it really challenging to figure out what's best, like, how how do I how do I validate or, you know, say that this is still good for everyone when I'm just doing, like, really large subdivisions or stuff like that. So I try to be like, well, at least I can make it safe. You know?\n\nAt least I'm making this subdivision as safe as it can be and, you know, telling them to step back and all that kind of stuff. So it's why I really love those new guidelines for a 60 meter buffer from the waterway. I'm I think that's great.\n\nChannel 1: Oh, other one, I'm not I'm not aware of yet.\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: Oh,\n\nChannel 0: good.\n\nChannel 1: good.\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: Good. I think. Yes.\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: Good to know that you're you're you're doing,\n\nChannel 0: good.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, you're doing your your the the job that you\n\nChannel 0: Well\n\nChannel 1: think can help to the community and the environment. That is something that usually for consultancy, which is profit. Profit is the first probably the first important factor to keep the company going and sustain. They don't really talk think about whether or not they would tell the truth. Or if the client say you have signed this agreement not to reveal any of the information even if it's bad.\n\nSo give it to yourself. Yeah. Those kind of yeah. I can I can totally understand why yeah? That's true.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: What\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: you feel. Yes.\n\nChannel 0: I I was gonna ask, Craig.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: With, like, your role and similar roles in like, for other councils, Is there anything that you think the other councils or or your council is there any, like, area that you think would would benefit from MyHealth? As in like, is there any little niches or anything that you're like, oh, no one's doing these type of assessments, or no one's really following up on these? Or it's like I I'm just I'm really curious because I like I like with the ethics thing, I think I'd like to work with cancer more often, but I still I I just I miss out on the big blood studies because they're obviously generally go for bigger firms who've got more resources. And so I kinda wanna focus on smaller, little smaller assessments or, like, I was doing a secondment for the Cornell and Hopkins CMA a couple of months ago. I'm just curious.\n\nDo you do you know do do you think of anything? Or I mean, you don't have to tell me now. I know I'm putting you on the spot, but I was just curious if you if you had thought of any if you had any idea.\n\nChannel 1: I I can't think of we we do have ongoing, like, every we we have a lot of active study projects at the moment with with different consultancy. I think if you want if you ask me, the challenge right now is whenever they deliver the the model to us, whether\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: or not we can take into in house and and if we want to twist and if we have, let's say, a new set of lidar, can we just pop in and run the model ourselves? We still haven't reached that capability yet at the moment.\n\nChannel 0: I called\n\nChannel 1: And the yes. I think that is one part. It's it's our vision and our direction to have the in house modeling capability built. But who is going to build it is right now, build it is\n\nChannel 0: you.\n\nChannel 1: right now, it's it's heavy on me, but I have left to for for ten years already. So, actually, more than ten years. Twelve maybe plus that my time in Technip. So after I left SKM, I worked two years in Technip, and that was using SP stone, which is plus plus plus now ten years. So twelve years, I left to flow.\n\nIf they if we want to build a to flow capability, we are far we are far from it. Yeah. If you ask me whether or not you like, a a a company or a small small setup business like you can help, also. I think it's helping us to build our in house modeling capability.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, that's a really good idea. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Something like that.\n\nChannel 0: Okay. Yeah. So, like, like, a model so, like, a training session or something.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Even even help to yeah. Yeah. Training session, and we have we have the model transfer from the consultant or the TGC, TF TFC, and all the ECF, those two profiles.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah,\n\nChannel 0: Make sure\n\nChannel 1: how\n\nChannel 0: that we're\n\nChannel 1: to move on\n\nChannel 0: because\n\nChannel 1: there.\n\nChannel 0: I've actually\n\nChannel 1: Yes. And we don't\n\nChannel 0: does\n\nChannel 1: have\n\nChannel 0: that\n\nChannel 1: two\n\nChannel 0: make\n\nChannel 1: flow\n\nChannel 0: sense?\n\nChannel 1: install yet. We have we only have two flow demo version sort of installed by IT two days ago, yet to be tested yet to be tested. And it's in my hand, and I haven't really looked at that yet. And yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Sure. Well,\n\nChannel 1: Right\n\nChannel 0: actually,\n\nChannel 1: now.\n\nChannel 0: you know what? Thinking about it, I have had instances where I've asked models from councils, and they've given me the model, but the consultant didn't give them the right information. So I had to ask the consultant for them. That's that's a really good idea. That's yeah.\n\nSo, like, coming in and being like, okay. This is a new study that you've just got given. How like, is there everything is there everything there. So they're almost acting as, like, a subsidiary between council and the consultant.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. But this is what I my view. Catherine maybe have a different different vision. What do we want to do?\n\nChannel 0: Oh, that's really helpful. Thanks for taking that. That's awesome. I I yeah. I just I I wanna I I I'm sick of competing for we're trying trying to compete for the bigger one without it's just it it's it's a lot of effort, and I and because of capacity, typically, I've been that's where I've lost them, and I just wanna yeah.\n\nI guess I just wanna find another avenue, some other way that I could help. And, yeah, that's that's really helpful. I think that will be that's a really good way. So\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Mhmm.\n\nChannel 1: And if you like like myself, multitasking, and if you're interested what I'm doing today, my whole day, I'm I'm devoted to do data management. So we do have network drives. We have one network drive, almost full, 10 terabyte full, and we requested IT for another 10 terabyte. And I'm moving around the data into new structure of the folder. If you're aware, Geelong has 25 catchment management unit.\n\nSo\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: the new network drive, we structure it by the CMUs or catchment management unit. We structure it by CMUs, and every CMU has its hydrology and hydraulics subfolders and then planning overlay subfolder, mitigation, local catchment assessment, which is my I will be mainly using this subcatchment sub subfolder to do the investigation and internal referral. And, yeah, more supporter. That's what we structure. Emergency management, IWM, and active project, ArcGIS Pro.\n\nYeah. We're using ArcGIS Pro.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, yeah.\n\nChannel 1: So rearranging everything into a new structure. That's what I'm doing today, it's not going to finish. 10 terabyte.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Can you imagine? So many files in the last past twenty years, and the the files are scattered everywhere into different subfolders, and we want to be more organized. I'm doing it\n\nChannel 0: Sure.\n\nChannel 1: now,\n\nChannel 0: It depends. I know. Yeah. Okay. Fascinating.\n\nChannel 1: which is sometimes is good because we I I just need to figure out this one, which folder to go. This file, this report, which folder to go instead of cracking my head on why the model cannot run. What is this error about? How to solve this error? Ask AI.\n\nAsk Google. Sometimes yeah. So moving\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: fast\n\nChannel 0: know.\n\nChannel 1: around is much easier.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Totally. Really. Wow. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Sure.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. That's okay.\n\nChannel 1: Interesting. Hopefully yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, we can use your service some other times, and hopefully your your company can do much better.\n\nChannel 0: What? Thank\n\nChannel 1: I mean\n\nChannel 0: you. Oh, look. If you\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: ever do need anything, honestly, or even if it's just chat, I I got I'm finally I'm doing a peer review for a flood study in Ballarat Ballarat City Council coming up. So I I wanna do those type of things as well. So if there's ever, like, little flood impact assessments that you need someone to review or yeah. I guess if yeah. If you ever need anything, I I also yeah.\n\nI guess not just work wise, but I'd love to down in Geelong sorry. I've down Geelong. I'll I I'd love to catch up as well. It'd be lovely to keep in contact and keep chatting.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. If you do have a chance to talk to Catherine, yeah, have a have a same chat with with her.\n\nChannel 0: Is that Catherine\n\nChannel 1: And do you have\n\nChannel 0: Payson?\n\nChannel 1: your is it yes. Do you have a company website at all?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I do.\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I can search it up too.\n\nChannel 0: It's it's just swmconsulting.com.au.\n\nChannel 1: Alright.\n\nChannel 0: Let me know how you think because it's a new website. So hopefully, it's nice to know. It makes sense that, yeah, I try to I don't know. I I I know a lot of companies have to very, I don't know, style. I start trying to try to be as yeah.\n\nTo give as much content as I can. And yeah. I guess there's also like, I I've I've got, like my a lot of my work, I'm tailing towards developers so that maybe the questions that they need answered don't need to go straight to you guys straight away. So I've got, like, what is the actual flood impact assessment? What does the 1% actually mean and stuff like that?\n\nSo hopefully that helps you guys. Anyway.\n\nChannel 1: Alright. We'll do that. We'll yeah. Sure.\n\nChannel 0: So\n\nChannel 1: If we do have those small small smaller tasks that we need a consultant to help out, you know, I'll definitely I'll definitely think about your company. Because\n\nChannel 0: That's very fine.\n\nChannel 1: expected that the cost may be not as high as the big consultant that would take.\n\nChannel 0: Well, exactly. Yeah. I I think what if that charges out, like I'm I'm pretty sure they're 2,250 plus per per hour. Mine mine's, like, I think the the most I charged out recently was about 200. And then if it was if it was a small if it was, like, data management, it goes down to, like, $1.60, $1.80.\n\nSo, yeah, I I definitely am cheaper. To me, I am definitely cheaper. I I guess the the other thing is, like, I I'd I'd want to the way that I wanna work is, for example, if you said this one, this is how much I've got, then I can say, yep. Okay. We can do it for that\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: as opposed to as opposed to me, you know, giving up a high price and then you're saying, oh, I can't go down to that. Can you go down to here? And that's kind of the way I prefer it. It's like, yep. But if if if how much do you need it done for, and I'll try and do it for that.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I'll let\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: I'll let Catherine know that, yeah, we spoke.\n\nChannel 0: Thank you. Thanks so much. Oh, it's so lovely to speak to you today. Thank you so much.\n\nChannel 1: Worries.\n\nChannel 0: I really appreciate\n\nChannel 1: You\n\nChannel 0: it.\n\nChannel 1: too. You too. Thanks a lot. Have a great\n\nChannel 0: Alright.\n\nChannel 1: day.\n\nChannel 0: Well,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I'll speak to you soon.\n\nChannel 1: I know you can. Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 0: Alright. Thanks,\n\nChannel 1: Bye. Bye\n\nChannel 0: Jay.\n\nChannel 1: for\n\nChannel 0: Bye.\n\nChannel 1: now. 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So Yeah.","start_word":6205,"end_word":6237,"intents":[{"intent":"Help","confidence_score":0.44002464}]},{"text":"And I'm moving around the data into new structure of the folder.","start_word":6288,"end_word":6299,"intents":[{"intent":"Structure","confidence_score":0.4408043}]},{"text":"We structure it by CMUs, and every CMU has its hydrology and hydraulics subfolders and then planning overlay subfolder, mitigation, local catchment assessment, which is my I will be mainly using this subcatchment sub subfolder to do the investigation and internal referral.","start_word":6326,"end_word":6367,"intents":[{"intent":"Structure cmus","confidence_score":0.0096525075},{"intent":"Use subfolder","confidence_score":0.549217},{"intent":"Help with plan","confidence_score":0.00004993862}]},{"text":"What is this error about? How to solve this error? Ask AI. Ask Google.","start_word":6490,"end_word":6503,"intents":[{"intent":"Understand errors with ai","confidence_score":7.75215e-7}]},{"text":"Hopefully, we can use your service some other times, and hopefully your your company can do much better. What?","start_word":6530,"end_word":6548,"intents":[{"intent":"Use service","confidence_score":0.46017364},{"intent":"Use service","confidence_score":0.0030574244}]},{"text":"I'll I I'd love to catch up as well.","start_word":6648,"end_word":6656,"intents":[{"intent":"Follow up","confidence_score":0.00039248087},{"intent":"Catch up with cmus","confidence_score":0.00029471726}]},{"text":"Do you have a company website at all? Yeah. I do. I Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I can search it up too. It's it's just swmconsulting.com.au. Alright.","start_word":6700,"end_word":6725,"intents":[{"intent":"Monitor website usage","confidence_score":0.00010925373}]}]},"sentiments":{"segments":[{"text":"Hello. Speaking. Hi, Alex. This is Faye. Sorry. 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I still remember the figure. And, yeah, I tried to look at the in invoice because someone asked me about the cost a while ago. However, like, Catherine, actually, he she she's yeah. Which is which is which is true. A lot of almost almost all consultant give us two flow model. That's right. Why and we have problem. We it's it's not like you can plug in two flow directly into Infowars ICM and get it run. No. You still need to because the input is different. The Yes. input is different. You have to you still have to change here and there. Some sometimes I have to go back to the raw this and, yeah, and start importing Yes. from this from the start, which is not I I'm not using consultants. 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So what what yeah.","start_word":1844,"end_word":2024,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.02384890243411064},{"text":"Thanks for reaching out in in LinkedIn, though.","start_word":2025,"end_word":2032,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3788965344429016},{"text":"And no. I I just I haven't spoken to certain peep to friends and from digital on you know, for ages, and I've I've finally, like my business has gotten stable enough and and Tom put in, I guess well, not competent, but, like, it has grown enough so that I can feel like I if if I do ever need it could be if I could ever help, I could actually help. And so I just wanted to, like, I guess reach out and and, yeah, see see reconnect. And, yeah, it's it's one of those things where I I get I got a bit I got a bit lost or, I guess, in my own head about trying to make sure that what what what this business would mean and and, you know, just working through it. And it it I feel like sometimes I I forget to really speak to the people I I I used to talk to, and and so I'm just trying to get better at that again. Mhmm. So, yeah, I I I again, I haven't yeah. Like I said, I haven't spoken to you in such a long time. And I was speaking, yeah, to to Lola, and she was telling me a few different things that that her that her part of the business will need into the future.","start_word":2033,"end_word":2260,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.029118596412764305},{"text":"And so it was kinda cool. It was, like, giving me a few little ideas of what I could do to find, like, a separate little bit of work that other people aren't doing very much of or it was yeah. It was just nice.","start_word":2261,"end_word":2305,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4085366427898407},{"text":"It's like, oh, I I remember why I used to, like, talking to and and just, yeah, what those relationships mean. It was yeah. So it was just and then, yeah, she she was just like, oh, yeah. You know, I haven't seen such a long time. So yeah. Because I feel like last time, it might have even been the road duplication that I was talking to you about. And I don't I mean, I know that that's miles down the track now. But, yeah, I think I feel like that that was was so it was so long ago. I can't remember the last time when we talk. I think the last time I met you was in Melbourne, one of the seminar or something. Can't really Oh, the remember. climate change seminar. Yeah. I think so. Yeah. Did I initiate it? I think so. Yeah. I did. That's right. Because I was presenting and and I yeah. Honestly, I was because I was up the front, I everyone I spoke to beforehand, I didn't really remember because I was so stressed about having up and talking in front of everyone. And you didn't come to the Storm of the Victoria's conference when it was in No. loan? Yeah. I went to Yeah. I only went to the dinner because Oh, really? yeah. I just I I had just recently had a a daughter, and I couldn't really get away for a long time. And that was also just a bit like I I I'm, yeah, I couldn't Okay.","start_word":2306,"end_word":2566,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07829788998054818},{"text":"I couldn't believe you for that long.","start_word":2567,"end_word":2573,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.44449424743652344},{"text":"I really wish I had been able to come down the whole thing, but, Fair yeah, enough. I guess, other duties take precedence. Fair enough.","start_word":2574,"end_word":2598,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1869740784168243},{"text":"And and congratulations having your Thank you.","start_word":2599,"end_word":2605,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4962702989578247},{"text":"baby Thank daughter. you. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're, Yeah. yeah, we're actually going away. We're going to we're going to Bali in a couple of months for for a week or so just to get out of the cold and and, yeah, just I'm bringing have a your bit baby. of a yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Nice. There will be less should be not even one year old when you grow 10. No. Yeah. Well, we went to we went there with my son when he was six months old, and that was it was really easy because they're just a blob. They don't really move anywhere. We we went with my son to Japan when he was three, and that he was running everywhere, and that was very stressful. Mhmm. Alright. Yeah. Cool. So, yeah, I'd love to I'd love to yeah. I I've, yeah, I've I've been wanting to go away a bit before. I didn't realize he'd did did they used to live in Kuala Lumpur? Sorry? Me? They used Oh, yeah. to live in. Yeah. Yeah. I came from I'm I'm still a Malaysian. Haven't converted yet, which we are we we have we want to convert already. Government has Australian government has increased the the visa renewal so much so Oh, much. Maybe you maybe you didn't know about it because it's not it's not your business anyway. Hello. So you used to as as a PR, as a as a as a permanent resident, we pay roughly $505,100 for five years renewal of the visa. So for five and now, which is about a month ago, they renew the fees from 500 500 is not exactly 500, 490 plus maybe, and they increased to 1,475. So close to $11,500. So 500 to 1,500 per person. 500. Five five five years. And my whole house, we have five people, three children, two adults, so five people. Wow. Oh, you have to do it for everyone? Wow. That's crazy. It's crazy. And and for five years, and we were thinking if we convert, we don't need to pay this. We if not convert. Sorry. People laugh at me when I use this word convert the citizenship. No. Change. Change the citizenship. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yes. What? It's funny. Yeah. No. I I I appreciate that. I I'm very I'm I'm curious just because I to be honest, I my partner and I have always wanted to live oh, sorry. To work and live overseas for a long for a couple years. I used to live I lived in Italy for a little bit, but I actually would have I've Penang is really high up on my list to live. I Really? I Penang yeah. in Malaysia.","start_word":2606,"end_word":3064,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.021914628230863147},{"text":"I love I love Malaysia. I I Malaysia was one of my I think it's one of my favorite holidays I've ever seen before in Malaysia would just it was just food heaven. Yeah. Penang is a lovely town. Yeah. A lot of people like that. It's good. It's so pretty and yeah.","start_word":3065,"end_word":3117,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5906652212142944},{"text":"I don't know. 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Cost serving cost serving. So my husband and two sons, they they won't go back, but I'm going back. Because I yeah. We have I have some friends gathering. Sometime we arrange in in September. Yeah. And go back to see my mom as well. Hold M C V Yeah. K L. Close to KL. What about one hour drive. So it's in a town called I Seremban. That is about one hour drive from KL. don't know. It's okay. Yeah. Cool. So there you go. I didn't yeah. I yeah. Once once the year sounds nice, but it's nice to get away. I mean, as as you can. Although, yeah, I'm imagining with prices of flights and everything, it's become it's becoming harder and harder. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Sorry. Oh, You have two already. Two children. but yeah. Three children. How old are you children? Oh, the eldest is turning 15 this year, and the youngest, they are twins. Turning oh, sorry. Yeah. Turning 13. So 15 and 13. Wow. Forty years. That's 63. Yeah. Wow. There you go. I'm not Yes. yeah. I'm nowhere near that, but I I'm always afraid of the yeah. Of that of that age since that yeah. A lot of emotions, a lot of things going on. Oh, yeah. You say that that is so true. That is what my that's what I'm going through at the moment.","start_word":3202,"end_word":3465,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.04993548007173971},{"text":"And my my biggest enemy that stood between me and my children are the screens, different screens, iPad screen, iPhone screen, and the school laptop screen.","start_word":3466,"end_word":3491,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4450273513793946},{"text":"So they use all those screens to play games.","start_word":3492,"end_word":3500,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.3327147662639618},{"text":"Most of the time, and I have to battle between them.","start_word":3501,"end_word":3511,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3671402931213379},{"text":"Yeah. Sure. 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And I get they they they I'm actually here by myself today, but they're usually in most days, which is really nice. And, yeah, it's it's it's it's a big it's a big challenge running a business because there's so many different aspects to it, but I do really like it. Like, it is nice to like, for example, the other day, I had some a client come and said that they wanna build a oil and gas pipeline, and I disagree with oil and gas. I I don't I don't think it's towards our future, and so I said no. What what they want to what they want to build that you you mean oil and gas pipeline for what project is it? They And are draw. To to to through farmland to to move gas and oil from one part to another. Yeah. 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So even though I'm not working on the line, I know that the work that I would do would help them to get it built. And I don't I like, I'd prefer to be doing a, you know, Brad sorry. A a call that for renewable development that I know is gonna actually provide ongoing, you know, get get away from the brown and black infrastructure that isn't yeah. Our climate change projections aren't getting any better, so I I prefer see. to I see. try I got and your point. do So things instead that of putting will pipe help the climate oil and plan. gas pipelines, they actually can think about options of using renewable energy. That is what you would be supportive of. Is that what That's you right. Yeah. Yeah. So if if it was a pipeline where the I I don't know. If the if the oil needed to go to the renewable development and mean? it was helping, I don't know, you know, make it more effective or efficient, then I then I'd be okay with it because at least it means it's helping the energy transition.","start_word":4283,"end_word":4606,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.005320821313854353},{"text":"But because it was literally just helping pump gas to a huge refinery, it was just like so essentially, it was just doing the thing that I don't think is what we should be doing.","start_word":4607,"end_word":4641,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.37311193346977234},{"text":"It's like yeah.","start_word":4642,"end_word":4644,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.29706475138664246},{"text":"Which is not yeah. It wasn't there was not there was nothing really redeeming about it.","start_word":4645,"end_word":4660,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.42974382638931274},{"text":"You know?","start_word":4661,"end_word":4662,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.20159313082695007},{"text":"It was just it was just going to go straight into the petrol gas system and and, you know, just go out into the acre, and I just really didn't, yeah, I didn't wanna I don't wanna be one of those that contribute to it.","start_word":4663,"end_word":4707,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.35277846455574036},{"text":"And Mhmm. yeah. Because I I've done other assessments, Faye, where I remember doing one. I used to work for GHD, and there was a a dam out in Ballarat that we got hired by the people who are in the dam to do a dam break assessment. And the assessment Mhmm.","start_word":4708,"end_word":4759,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.07981099933385849},{"text":"showed that all of these houses downstream would basically be wiped out.","start_word":4760,"end_word":4771,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.40366581082344055},{"text":"Mhmm. But because it was a private investigation, we can't we couldn't tell anyone.","start_word":4772,"end_word":4785,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.28962719440460205},{"text":"And I just stuff like that, I just feel if you're doing what what those those people don't know their risk. Like, they don't understand what what their what their potential risk is, and it just makes me feel uncomfortable.","start_word":4786,"end_word":4825,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5521038174629211},{"text":"Like, I I want to do a flood study or a flood impact assessment for like, I've I've done a bit with council recently, but with, like, developers or council or, you know, CMAs or whatever that I know the risk will be actually articulated properly. Like, the the the people around will actually know what their risk is. And, like, I've I've been re I've been really lucky. I've been working in the works for Melbourne Water. I helped write their the flood impact assessment guidelines, and the one they they brought out a new practice note for flood impact assessment. So I I I helped write that, and and it's it's, like, it's really nice because it's, like, actually quantifying risk and hazard, and and the idea is to be like, well, look, if it's if it's the flood if the flood increases by this much, but it's on a rural road that no one drives down, then maybe it's not a what we maybe we shouldn't need to worry about it being exactly this many mil. You know what I mean?","start_word":4826,"end_word":5009,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.1023679880992226},{"text":"Like, I I I I've been able to do stuff like Yep. that, which is really broad. I really like that. So, yeah, I I just prefer to do projects where I think I'm actually making a difference or, you know, helping the community and helping the environment rather than things that probably aren't gonna help anyone.","start_word":5010,"end_word":5066,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4287560284137726},{"text":"Well, I'm sorry. Not well, it may not. I'm sorry. The oil and gas might help with some people, but it typically isn't like a it's not a way to of our future, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. I got that point. I got totally got it. That's really Yeah.","start_word":5067,"end_word":5115,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.08323776721954346},{"text":"good good to know.","start_word":5116,"end_word":5119,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.43543240427970886},{"text":"Yeah.","start_word":5120,"end_word":5120,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.26590538024902344},{"text":"Good on you, though. Thank you.","start_word":5121,"end_word":5126,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4125157594680786},{"text":"Yeah. It's yeah. I I think it's I don't know. I think it's I I I never actually, to to be honest, at the CMA, I'm I'm sure you probably feel similar as counsel. I never really had to worry about my ethical obligations. Like, I always felt like we were always just trying to do the best for the community or for the floodplain. But in private consulting, I've always found it really challenging to figure out what's best, like, how how do I how do I validate or, you know, say that this is still good for everyone when I'm just doing, like, really large subdivisions or stuff like that. So I try to be like, well, at least I can make it safe. You know? At least I'm making this subdivision as safe as it can be and, you know, telling them to step back and all that kind of stuff.","start_word":5127,"end_word":5280,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.03393928184137716},{"text":"So it's why I really love those new guidelines for a 60 meter buffer from the waterway. I'm I think that's great.","start_word":5281,"end_word":5302,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.6697166562080383},{"text":"Oh, other one, I'm not I'm not aware of yet. It's Oh, good.","start_word":5303,"end_word":5315,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.11755011975765228},{"text":"good. It's Good.","start_word":5316,"end_word":5318,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.42757874727249146},{"text":"I think. Yes.","start_word":5319,"end_word":5321,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.27580684423446655},{"text":"it's Good to know that you're you're you're doing, good. yeah, you're doing your your the the job that you Well think can help to the community and the environment.","start_word":5322,"end_word":5351,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4410901665687561},{"text":"That is something that usually for consultancy, which is profit. Profit is the first probably the first important factor to keep the company going and sustain. They don't really talk think about whether or not they would tell the truth. Or if the client say you have signed this agreement not to reveal any of the information even if it's bad. So give it to yourself. Yeah. Those kind of yeah. I can I can totally understand why yeah? That's true. Yes. What Yes. you feel. Yes. I I was gonna ask, Craig. Yeah. With, like, your role and similar roles in like, for other councils, Is there anything that you think the other councils or or your council is there any, like, area that you think would would benefit from MyHealth? As in like, is there any little niches or anything that you're like, oh, no one's doing these type of assessments, or no one's really following up on these? Or it's like I I'm just I'm really curious because I like I like with the ethics thing, I think I'd like to work with cancer more often, but I still I I just I miss out on the big blood studies because they're obviously generally go for bigger firms who've got more resources. And so I kinda wanna focus on smaller, little smaller assessments or, like, I was doing a secondment for the Cornell and Hopkins CMA a couple of months ago. I'm just curious. Do you do you know do do you think of anything? Or I mean, you don't have to tell me now. I know I'm putting you on the spot, but I was just curious if you if you had thought of any if you had any idea. I I can't think of we we do have ongoing, like, every we we have a lot of active study projects at the moment with with different consultancy. I think if you want if you ask me, the challenge right now is whenever they deliver the the model to us, whether Yeah. or not we can take into in house and and if we want to twist and if we have, let's say, a new set of lidar, can we just pop in and run the model ourselves? We still haven't reached that capability yet at the moment. I called And the yes. I think that is one part. It's it's our vision and our direction to have the in house modeling capability built. But who is going to build it is right now, build it is you. right now, it's it's heavy on me, but I have left to for for ten years already. So, actually, more than ten years. Twelve maybe plus that my time in Technip. So after I left SKM, I worked two years in Technip, and that was using SP stone, which is plus plus plus now ten years. So twelve years, I left to flow. If they if we want to build a to flow capability, we are far we are far from it. Yeah. If you ask me whether or not you like, a a a company or a small small setup business like you can help, also. I think it's helping us to build our in house modeling capability.","start_word":5352,"end_word":5902,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0007030125605973487},{"text":"Oh, that's a really good idea.","start_word":5903,"end_word":5908,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.43866679072380066},{"text":"Okay. Something like that. Okay. Yeah. So, like, like, a model so, like, a training session or something. Yeah. Even even help to yeah. Yeah. Training session, and we have we have the model transfer from the consultant or the TGC, TF TFC, and all the ECF, those two profiles. Yes. And, Yeah. yeah, Make sure how that we're to move on because there. I've actually Yes. And we don't does have that two make flow sense? install yet. We have we only have two flow demo version sort of installed by IT two days ago, yet to be tested yet to be tested. And it's in my hand, and I haven't really looked at that yet. And yeah. Sure. Well, Right actually, now. you know what? Thinking about it, I have had instances where I've asked models from councils, and they've given me the model, but the consultant didn't give them the right information. So I had to ask the consultant for them.","start_word":5909,"end_word":6072,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.02743888348795292},{"text":"That's that's a really good idea.","start_word":6073,"end_word":6078,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.465130090713501},{"text":"That's yeah. So, like, coming in and being like, okay. This is a new study that you've just got given. How like, is there everything is there everything there. So they're almost acting as, like, a subsidiary between council and the consultant. Yeah. But this is what I my view. Catherine maybe have a different different vision. What do we want to do?","start_word":6079,"end_word":6141,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.050047434866428375},{"text":"Oh, that's really helpful. Thanks for taking that. That's awesome.","start_word":6142,"end_word":6151,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5609184503555298},{"text":"I I yeah. I just I I wanna I I I'm sick of competing for we're trying trying to compete for the bigger one without it's just it it's it's a lot of effort, and I and because of capacity, typically, I've been that's where I've lost them, and I just wanna yeah. I guess I just wanna find another avenue, some other way that I could help. And, yeah, that's that's really helpful.","start_word":6152,"end_word":6225,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.016824888065457344},{"text":"I think that will be that's a really good way.","start_word":6226,"end_word":6235,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.36542266607284546},{"text":"So Yeah. Mhmm. And if you like like myself, multitasking, and if you're interested what I'm doing today, my whole day, I'm I'm devoted to do data management. So we do have network drives. We have one network drive, almost full, 10 terabyte full, and we requested IT for another 10 terabyte. And I'm moving around the data into new structure of the folder. If you're aware, Geelong has 25 catchment management unit. So Yes. the new network drive, we structure it by the CMUs or catchment management unit. We structure it by CMUs, and every CMU has its hydrology and hydraulics subfolders and then planning overlay subfolder, mitigation, local catchment assessment, which is my I will be mainly using this subcatchment sub subfolder to do the investigation and internal referral. And, yeah, more supporter. That's what we structure. Emergency management, IWM, and active project, ArcGIS Pro. Yeah. We're using ArcGIS Pro. Oh, yeah. So rearranging everything into a new structure. That's what I'm doing today, it's not going to finish. 10 terabyte. Yeah. Can you imagine? So many files in the last past twenty years, and the the files are scattered everywhere into different subfolders, and we want to be more organized. I'm doing it Sure. now, It depends. I know. Yeah. Okay. Fascinating. which is sometimes is good because we I I just need to figure out this one, which folder to go. This file, this report, which folder to go instead of cracking my head on why the model cannot run. What is this error about? How to solve this error? Ask AI. Ask Google. Sometimes yeah. So moving I fast know. around is much easier. Yeah. Totally. Really. Wow. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. That's okay. Interesting. Hopefully yeah. Yeah. Hopefully, we can use your service some other times, and hopefully your your company can do much better. What? Thank I mean you. Oh, look. If you yeah. ever do need anything, honestly, or even if it's just chat, I I got I'm finally I'm doing a peer review for a flood study in Ballarat Ballarat City Council coming up. So I I wanna do those type of things as well. So if there's ever, like, little flood impact assessments that you need someone to review or yeah. I guess if yeah. If you ever need anything, I I also yeah. I guess not just work wise, but I'd love to down in Geelong sorry. I've down Geelong.","start_word":6236,"end_word":6647,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.07539048145335277},{"text":"I'll I I'd love to catch up as well. It'd be lovely to keep in contact and keep chatting.","start_word":6648,"end_word":6666,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.60181956228457},{"text":"Yep. If you do have a chance to talk to Catherine, yeah, have a have a same chat with with her. Is that Catherine And do you have Payson? your is it yes. Do you have a company website at all? Yeah. I do. I Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I can search it up too. It's it's just swmconsulting.com.au. Alright. Let me know how you think because it's a new website.","start_word":6667,"end_word":6736,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.11741598695516586},{"text":"So hopefully, it's nice to know.","start_word":6737,"end_word":6742,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5868574976921082},{"text":"It makes sense that, yeah, I try to I don't know. I I I know a lot of companies have to very, I don't know, style. I start trying to try to be as yeah. To give as much content as I can. And yeah. I guess there's also like, I I've I've got, like my a lot of my work, I'm tailing towards developers so that maybe the questions that they need answered don't need to go straight to you guys straight away. So I've got, like, what is the actual flood impact assessment? What does the 1% actually mean and stuff like that? So hopefully that helps you guys. Anyway. Alright. We'll do that. We'll yeah. Sure. So If we do have those small small smaller tasks that we need a consultant to help out, you know, I'll definitely I'll definitely think about your company. Because That's very fine. expected that the cost may be not as high as the big consultant that would take. Well, exactly. Yeah. I I think what if that charges out, like I'm I'm pretty sure they're 2,250 plus per per hour. Mine mine's, like, I think the the most I charged out recently was about 200. And then if it was if it was a small if it was, like, data management, it goes down to, like, $1.60, $1.80. So, yeah, I I definitely am cheaper. To me, I am definitely cheaper. I I guess the the other thing is, like, I I'd I'd want to the way that I wanna work is, for example, if you said this one, this is how much I've got, then I can say, yep. Okay. We can do it for that Yeah. as opposed to as opposed to me, you know, giving up a high price and then you're saying, oh, I can't go down to that. Can you go down to here? And that's kind of the way I prefer it. It's like, yep. But if if if how much do you need it done for, and I'll try and do it for that. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. I'll let Okay. I'll let Catherine know that, yeah, we spoke.","start_word":6743,"end_word":7106,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.05301499808882619},{"text":"Thank you. Thanks so much. Oh, it's so lovely to speak to you today. Thank you so much.","start_word":7107,"end_word":7124,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.7832596898078918},{"text":"Worries.","start_word":7125,"end_word":7125,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.3176199793815613},{"text":"I really appreciate You it. too. You too. Thanks a lot. Have a great Alright. day.","start_word":7126,"end_word":7141,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5731539130210876},{"text":"Well, Yeah. I'll speak to you soon. I know you can. Yeah. Okay. Alright.","start_word":7142,"end_word":7155,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.1984395980834961},{"text":"Thanks, Bye.","start_word":7156,"end_word":7157,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.43570786714553833},{"text":"Bye Jay. for Bye. now. Bye.","start_word":7158,"end_word":7163,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.16977229714393616}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.01495957711442786}}}}