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And I'm just a bit I I mean, I was trying to frame it like I don't want to have to do this, but I I just I'm a bit like I I nobody's taking a piss because I don't think that's necessarily true, but it just feels a bit more like why why am I what why are we we found something that works, and you've now and and it took so long, and now you wanna change everything? No. And it probably it probably won't impact it. So, like, I I it it it probably won't. I guess part of the problem that I have with these sometimes, Saxon, is as as you know, if if this is proposed in Melbourne or in Victoria, I would just be, like, flat out there is no chance that this is getting approved. And so I think sometimes I see these things ball level, but also proposing the amount of hazard. Yes. There's no velocity, but there's, like, a meter and a half of flood depth, which is kind of, for me, a bit inappropriate for a to put a a a dump development. Cutting it massively. The the actual flood depth in that area, which he didn't fail to talk about, is we're looking at nine nine hundred mil. Yeah. In in the creek, it's like, yeah, it's two babies in the crate. That's right. Yeah. Yeah. And look. I I also think yeah. No. That's right. Look. I I I do I do appreciate that, realistically, it's not as easy to keep up, you know, flood level restrictions like it is in Victoria because, yeah, we we yeah. We can flood pretty badly, but we're not we're not talking, like, mass meters and meters of flood water. So I do appreciate there is a difference, but I I think for me, it's probably more of an ethical, you know, an an ethical probably fear than it is actual, like, tangible planning fears. You know? Like, it it really is we're we're proposing a flood, Sorry. Some development in areas that is unsafe. If if it was to fail, people would die. Absolutely. But I think it's more for me, it's more to it's not it's not necessarily sorry. It's not the people. One is the it's the child care. That that that's realistically, that's the only thing I'm a bit apprehensive about because, yeah, adults jump into crates, but child children don't know any better. You know? Like, they they'll just they they've been and and we're proposing this this water I I was hoping that what they were gonna do is what we proposed, which was everything's on the fill pad. It's all completely safe. You can access the road. There is no like, there's nothing that I'd be worried about because, yes, it it would need to have a massive retaining wall, but it would still be that. Now what they're proposing is more, yes, we're we're gonna keep that, but then we also wanna see if we can use all that area, the flood storage, the flood conveyance area that we we had to carve out just so that they can get some more development. And it just it I I look. Again, I appreciate it. I understand that they need that that maybe it's not as viable. And I'm I'm happy to model it and and provide comment. But I guess my my fear is that that the the argument accounts don't really know we can dictate. And that makes me uncomfortable because it means that they're they're relying on my expertise. And my expertise, I would say, I wouldn't be happy with you know, maybe I wouldn't be happy with proposing that in that spot. And it just feels a bit it just doesn't feel, you know, as great as it would. Look, I again, I don't think it's I I don't think it's gonna be a substantial issue for for the development. And I guess the other part of what I was trying to push back was I want I wanna have a bigger but also probably a better idea of what what what we're proposing because I don't wanna spend like I said, I I just looked. So I did I did nine mitigation scenarios for him, and I pointed to three. And, like, he's he's he's fine enough to work with. Like, he's he's fine enough to work with, but he's also kind of I don't know. He he like, he's he's really nice when you're helping him and that but as soon as you kinda challenge him a little bit, he gets a little bit pale up y and I don't know. He's like I I always feel like I'm half like, I'm depending on how I speak to him, it could be really good or not. Great. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, even just saying when I was talking about childcare, like, I I wasn't trying to argue with him. I was just saying my perspective of what childcare probably is and and what we need to be mindful of. And then it just feels more like he was he he felt like I was attacking or or trying to stop the development, which isn't what I was trying to get across. What I was trying to get across is that I'd prefer to make sure that what we propose is safe, but that's the child care and everything. And yeah. Just I I just I always feel like it's a it's a yeah. Like I said, it's bad it is. It's like me against him sometimes and yeah. It's just I don't know. It's not not exactly the most pleasant. Anyway anyway, maybe that's just me and my oh, no. You don't. No. No. No. No. I I know I know you really well text the text, and I'm I'm not I'm yeah. You didn't say anything. Don't you don't need to worry about me from from that perspective. It's more it's just it's more the way that I think he conducts his yeah. It it's it's very demanding and doesn't take your advice as much as what I think I prefer as a client, which would would would would be a bit more like, yes. I understand that. I appreciate that. And and and, like, there's just a different way of working around it. I think that maybe he doesn't have it. And so that's why I'm kinda like, let's try and get the best one straight away so that I don't have to do model after model after model. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Fabulous. Yeah. I I'd probably just leave it, honestly. I I I think it'd be because of this flow path, it probably be quite negligible. Oh, yeah. So no. Yeah. It it is it is like that. Yeah. So it's like a meter. Oh, it's like oh, sorry. I think it's it's just it's like a meter. It's it's massive it's a massive retaining wall from Microsoft because I've never proposed that type of retaining wall before. So, yeah, it might I think maybe I was exaggerating just purely because it's it's quite it's it's a large area that needs to be retained. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm sorry. I'll I'll work on that today. Thank you so much. I really appreciate it. Thank you. You too. I'll I'll, yeah, I'll I'll speak to you properly later, but, yeah, I'll speak I'll get out that quote as soon as I can. Thanks, Zach, and have a good wait. Oh, sorry. Yes. Have a good day. 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This is Dan, to be honest. I thought I'd done my work. I I I I guess yeah. For context, Saxon, I did so many model iterations free for him.\n\nAnd I'm just a bit I I mean, I was trying to frame it like I don't want to have to do this, but I I just I'm a bit like I I nobody's taking a piss because I don't think that's necessarily true, but it just feels a bit more like why why am I what why are we we found something that works, and you've now and and it took so long, and now you wanna change everything? No. And it probably it probably won't impact it. So, like, I I it it it probably won't. I guess part of the problem that I have with these sometimes, Saxon, is as as you know, if if this is proposed in Melbourne or in Victoria, I would just be, like, flat out there is no chance that this is getting approved.\n\nAnd so I think sometimes I see these things ball level, but also proposing the amount of hazard. Yes. 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How's it going? And I know. Yeah. I thought you might've. Yeah. Yeah. Is is do you think that his proposal with the suspended basically that that eastern 35 meters or whatever it is? Western, sorry, western 35 meters being suspended. Is that a big change? I mean, obviously, it's a change. Okay. Yeah. Even with the suspended oh, well, because the the floor the floor level issue is one of those issues. That's a good thing. Okay. So you're saying that underneath the suspended area, there's roughly because you're cutting that area down, you're saying that yeah. In and look at the creek line, it's probably two meters or a meter and a half or something, I imagine. But but you're just saying, look, right up against it so right up against well, under the building, there'd be 900 mill of flood water. Yeah. Okay. Look. I understand your feelings, and and it's funny with when you're working with councils that are a bit more gung ho or cowboy esque. It can be yeah. You sort of go this feels like this is wrong. It shouldn't be okay. Childcare center that post to hundred year flood level seems unlikely to be it wouldn't be approved in lots of it. I'm not sure in Wagga Wagga, there's definitely childcare centers in I have to check. I was trying to see what the Wagga DCT had for it. Certainly, in commercial areas in WAVA, it's it's under the you can be below flood level in some areas. So certainly, that 100 year. Yep. Yeah. Okay. Do you feel it's that that what's the word? I mean, yes, there's 900 mil, but I think what we'd have to have is it have to be fencing from all sort of direct access points. Because if someone goes and jumps in the creek, which they could do, that's their problem. So, yes, we're bringing the we're bringing the flooding close to the car park, etcetera, but there would be, you know, full amount of fencing and everything to, you know, discourage accidental I don't know, accidental death in that sense. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Mhmm. Yep. Yep. No. I understand. It's definitely been there before. So that's okay. So I think you should just need to be upfront about your yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. No. I guess, yeah. I mean, he's quite demanding in terms of he he expects a lot, and he doesn't just accept your advice. Not worth work. Doesn't just accept everything at face value. He he certainly eats up a bit of time with discussion. And I don't mind. Like, he's been a good client for us, and he's given us more work, and and and I don't. I haven't had probably the difficult conversations that you've had because I haven't had to, perhaps. But I but I have seen what you've just said. I have seen that, and, yeah, I do understand what you're saying. Yeah. Okay. No. Look. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I understand that. And I hope I didn't sort of push anything in a in a I I tried to speak to you in a way that you we I I didn't mean to speak to you, but in in a in any sort of yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think that's right. So we should, from here, maybe establish you should just have a very clear fee agreement with him. Obviously, I don't need I don't need to tell you that. But if you establish that and go, here's here's what we see happening, maybe iteration one being something like we give you some information about posts in the in the suspended area. You decide what you wanna do with the culvert. We draw a very clear rectangle or polygon that says, this area here, we are going to exclude from any flooding being you know, fully block out that area, and and then you model that. And if it comes back with no impact and you and everything else being supportive in the same way that you already have got to, then we can go, well, that might be all we need to do for flood modeling. If it doesn't quite come back and it's still borderline in areas that you're you feel need to be addressed or are clearly just not acceptable, then we go iteration two. You know, maybe it's bigger culvert or maybe it's lowering the car park and allowing some flooding in those areas, and we go, does that work? Not still doesn't work. Well, then it's the case of, well, well, it probably will work at that point because it's probably very close to where you've already got to by the set of things. And if it does work, then that's it. Hopefully, that's done, and you've got the two there. So that's what I'll be thinking. So I think we just need to come back to you with, you know, post sizes and spacing in some form and in the first instance. And I guess you need to model trees. I don't know if you already modeled vegetation in that buffer zone or whether that comes into it. But then if that was part of the discussion you've had. Yep. Did you said massive retaining wall. Where and how how tall do you think the retaining wall is gonna be? Because I had in my mind it might be, like, a meter and a half maybe. Is that what you were thinking? Yep. Yep. Yep. So we just need to so that's fine. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. Yep. No. That's fine. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something where there was actually a, you know, two major retaining wall being proposed somewhere. What else? What else? What else? Oh, look. Mark, probably yeah. So it's a bit interesting. There's things like I think he's he's got the wrong idea about the floor levels because if he says a floor level of a 150 mil buffer flood level, you your suspended structure is gonna have a depth with services underneath it that's gonna be you need more space, basically, that you're gonna have suspended sewer pipes and all of that underneath it. So I think we need to establish really that we go no. No. Your floor levels might be higher, but or will be higher, but the underside of your suspended structure and any services probably have to be above the 100 year. And so they they might be at, like, one zero five five point nine five even. If we can say, look, it's just 50 mill above the flood level to the underside of everything and then the floor level. You know? That might have to be 600 higher. If you're gonna do a suspended you've got sewer. You've got the structure itself. All of that's gotta be accounted for. So I think that's probably where maybe he's missing it. So I don't know what his floor plans are. Alright. I've gotta go to one thing. The other reason I was just gonna touch base is I sent you an email for a quote for North Walker. Can you so that yep. And that's fine. Just thought I'd touch base. Yep. That's all good. Alright. No. That's fine. Yeah. No. Good good to talk. Hope you're going well. Yep. Yep. Sounds good. No problem. Thank you. Talk to you, Alex. You too. Yeah. 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How's it going? And I know. Yeah. I thought you might've.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Is is do you think that his proposal with the suspended basically that that eastern 35 meters or whatever it is? Western, sorry, western 35 meters being suspended. Is that a big change?\n\nI mean, obviously, it's a change. Okay. Yeah. Even with the suspended oh, well, because the the floor the floor level issue is one of those issues. That's a good thing.\n\nOkay. So you're saying that underneath the suspended area, there's roughly because you're cutting that area down, you're saying that yeah. In and look at the creek line, it's probably two meters or a meter and a half or something, I imagine. But but you're just saying, look, right up against it so right up against well, under the building, there'd be 900 mill of flood water. Yeah.\n\nOkay. Look. I understand your feelings, and and it's funny with when you're working with councils that are a bit more gung ho or cowboy esque. It can be yeah. 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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nI think I think that's right. So we should, from here, maybe establish you should just have a very clear fee agreement with him. Obviously, I don't need I don't need to tell you that. But if you establish that and go, here's here's what we see happening, maybe iteration one being something like we give you some information about posts in the in the suspended area. You decide what you wanna do with the culvert.\n\nWe draw a very clear rectangle or polygon that says, this area here, we are going to exclude from any flooding being you know, fully block out that area, and and then you model that. And if it comes back with no impact and you and everything else being supportive in the same way that you already have got to, then we can go, well, that might be all we need to do for flood modeling. If it doesn't quite come back and it's still borderline in areas that you're you feel need to be addressed or are clearly just not acceptable, then we go iteration two. 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Yep.\n\nYep. So we just need to so that's fine. Yep. Yep. Yep.\n\nYep. Yep. No. That's fine. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something where there was actually a, you know, two major retaining wall being proposed somewhere.\n\nWhat else? What else? What else? Oh, look. Mark, probably yeah.\n\nSo it's a bit interesting. There's things like I think he's he's got the wrong idea about the floor levels because if he says a floor level of a 150 mil buffer flood level, you your suspended structure is gonna have a depth with services underneath it that's gonna be you need more space, basically, that you're gonna have suspended sewer pipes and all of that underneath it. So I think we need to establish really that we go no. No. Your floor levels might be higher, but or will be higher, but the underside of your suspended structure and any services probably have to be above the 100 year.\n\nAnd so they they might be at, like, one zero five five point nine five even. 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How's it going?\n\nChannel 0: Hi, Toby. This is Dan, to be honest. I thought I'd done my work. I I I I guess yeah. For context, Saxon, I did so many model iterations free for him.\n\nChannel 1: And I know. Yeah. I thought you might've.\n\nChannel 0: And I'm just a bit I I mean, I was trying to frame it like I don't want to have to do this, but I I just I'm a bit like I I nobody's taking a piss because I don't think that's necessarily true, but it just feels a bit more like why why am I what why are\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: we we found something that works, and you've now and and it took so long, and now you wanna\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: change everything?\n\nChannel 1: Is is do you think that his proposal with the suspended basically that that eastern 35 meters or whatever it is? Western, sorry, western 35 meters being suspended. Is that a big change? I mean, obviously,\n\nChannel 0: No. And\n\nChannel 1: it's\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: a change.\n\nChannel 0: probably it probably won't impact it. So, like, I I it it it probably won't. I guess part of the problem that I have with these sometimes, Saxon, is as as you know, if if this is proposed in Melbourne or in Victoria, I would just be, like, flat out there is no chance that this is getting approved.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And so\n\nChannel 1: Even with\n\nChannel 0: I think\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: sometimes\n\nChannel 1: suspended\n\nChannel 0: I see\n\nChannel 1: oh,\n\nChannel 0: these\n\nChannel 1: well,\n\nChannel 0: things\n\nChannel 1: because the the floor the floor level issue is one\n\nChannel 0: ball\n\nChannel 1: of those\n\nChannel 0: level,\n\nChannel 1: issues.\n\nChannel 0: but\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: also\n\nChannel 1: a good\n\nChannel 0: proposing\n\nChannel 1: thing.\n\nChannel 0: the amount of hazard. Yes. There's no velocity, but there's, like, a meter and a half of flood depth, which is kind of, for me, a bit inappropriate for a to put a\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: So you're saying that underneath\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: the suspended area,\n\nChannel 0: dump\n\nChannel 1: there's roughly because you're cutting\n\nChannel 0: development.\n\nChannel 1: that area down,\n\nChannel 0: Cutting\n\nChannel 1: you're\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: saying\n\nChannel 0: massively.\n\nChannel 1: that yeah.\n\nChannel 0: The the actual flood depth in that area, which he didn't fail to talk about, is we're looking at nine nine hundred mil.\n\nChannel 1: In and look at the creek line, it's probably two meters or a meter and a half or something, I imagine. But but\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. In\n\nChannel 1: you're\n\nChannel 0: in\n\nChannel 1: just saying,\n\nChannel 0: the creek,\n\nChannel 1: look,\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: right\n\nChannel 0: like,\n\nChannel 1: up against\n\nChannel 0: yeah, it's\n\nChannel 1: it\n\nChannel 0: two babies in the crate.\n\nChannel 1: so right up against well, under the building, there'd be 900 mill of flood water.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: right.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. Look. I understand your feelings, and and it's funny with when you're working with councils that are a bit more gung ho or cowboy esque. It can be yeah. You sort of go this feels like this is wrong.\n\nIt\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: shouldn't be okay. Childcare center that post to hundred year flood level seems unlikely to be it wouldn't be approved in lots of it. I'm not sure in Wagga Wagga, there's definitely childcare centers in I have to check. I was trying to see what the Wagga DCT had for it. Certainly, in commercial areas in WAVA, it's it's under the you can be below flood level in some\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: areas. So\n\nChannel 0: And look. I\n\nChannel 1: certainly,\n\nChannel 0: I also\n\nChannel 1: that 100\n\nChannel 0: think\n\nChannel 1: year.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. No. That's right. Look. I I I do I do appreciate that, realistically, it's not as easy to keep up, you know, flood level restrictions like it is in Victoria because, yeah, we we yeah.\n\nWe can flood pretty badly, but we're not we're not talking, like, mass meters and meters of flood water. So I do\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: appreciate there is a difference, but I I think for me, it's probably more of an ethical, you know, an an ethical probably fear than it is actual, like, tangible planning fears. You know? Like, it it really is we're we're proposing a flood, Sorry. Some development in areas that is unsafe. If if it was to fail, people would die.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Okay. Do you feel it's that that what's the word? I mean, yes, there's 900 mil, but I think what we'd have to have is it have to be fencing from all sort of direct access points. Because if someone goes and jumps in the creek, which they could do, that's their problem.\n\nSo, yes, we're bringing the we're bringing the flooding close to the car park, etcetera, but there would be, you know, full amount of fencing and everything to, you know, discourage accidental I don't know, accidental death in that\n\nChannel 0: Absolutely.\n\nChannel 1: sense.\n\nChannel 0: But I think it's more for me, it's more to it's not it's not necessarily sorry. It's not the people. One is the it's the child care. That that that's realistically, that's the only thing I'm a bit apprehensive about because, yeah, adults jump into crates, but child children don't know any better. You know?\n\nLike, they they'll just they they've been and and we're proposing this this water I I was hoping that what they were gonna do is what we proposed, which was everything's on the fill pad. It's all completely safe. You can access the road. There is no\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: like, there's nothing that I'd be worried about because, yes, it it would need to have a massive retaining wall, but it would still be that. Now what\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: they're proposing is more, yes, we're we're gonna keep that, but then we also wanna see if we can use all that area, the flood storage, the flood conveyance area that we we had to carve out just so that they can get some more development. And it just it I I look. Again, I appreciate it. I understand that they need that that maybe it's not as viable. And I'm I'm happy to model it and and provide comment.\n\nBut I guess my my fear is that that the the argument accounts don't really know we can dictate. And that makes me uncomfortable\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: because it means that they're they're relying on my expertise. And my expertise, I would say, I wouldn't be happy with you know, maybe I wouldn't be happy with proposing that in that spot. And it just feels a bit it just doesn't feel, you know, as great as it would. Look, I again, I don't think it's I I don't think it's gonna be a substantial issue for for the development. And I guess the other part of what I was trying to push back was I want I wanna have a bigger but also probably a better idea of what what what we're proposing because I don't wanna spend like I said, I I just looked.\n\nSo I did I did nine mitigation scenarios for him, and I pointed to three.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Yep. Yep. No. I understand.\n\nIt's definitely been there before. So that's okay. So I think\n\nChannel 0: And, like,\n\nChannel 1: you should\n\nChannel 0: he's\n\nChannel 1: just\n\nChannel 0: he's\n\nChannel 1: need\n\nChannel 0: he's\n\nChannel 1: to\n\nChannel 0: fine\n\nChannel 1: be upfront\n\nChannel 0: enough\n\nChannel 1: about\n\nChannel 0: to work\n\nChannel 1: your\n\nChannel 0: with. Like, he's he's fine enough to work with, but he's also\n\nChannel 1: yep.\n\nChannel 0: kind of I don't know. He he like, he's he's really nice when you're helping him and that but as soon as you kinda challenge him a little bit, he gets a little bit pale up y\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: and I\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: don't know. He's like I I always feel like I'm half like, I'm depending on how I speak to him, it could be really good or not. Great.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. No. I guess, yeah. I mean, he's quite demanding in terms of he he expects a lot, and he doesn't just accept your advice. Not worth work.\n\nDoesn't just accept everything at face value. He\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: he certainly eats up a bit of time with discussion. And I don't mind. Like, he's been a good client for us, and he's given us more work, and and and I don't. I haven't had probably the difficult conversations that you've had because I haven't had to, perhaps.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: But I but I have seen what you've just said. I have seen that, and, yeah, I do understand what you're saying.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I mean, even just saying when I was talking about childcare, like, I I wasn't trying to argue with him. I was just saying my perspective of what childcare probably is and and what we need to be mindful of. And then it just feels more like he was he he felt like I was attacking or or trying to stop the development, which isn't what I was trying to get across. What I was trying to get across is that I'd prefer to make sure that what we propose is safe, but that's the child care and everything.\n\nAnd yeah. Just I I just I always feel like it's a it's a yeah. Like I said, it's bad it is. It's like me against him sometimes and yeah. It's just I don't know.\n\nIt's not not exactly the most pleasant.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Anyway anyway,\n\nChannel 1: Okay. No.\n\nChannel 0: maybe\n\nChannel 1: Look.\n\nChannel 0: that's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: just\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I\n\nChannel 0: me\n\nChannel 1: mean,\n\nChannel 0: and my\n\nChannel 1: I understand that. And I hope I didn't sort of push anything in a in a I I tried to speak to you in a way that you we I I didn't mean to speak to you, but in\n\nChannel 0: oh,\n\nChannel 1: in\n\nChannel 0: no. You\n\nChannel 1: a\n\nChannel 0: don't.\n\nChannel 1: in any sort\n\nChannel 0: No. No. No.\n\nChannel 1: of\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I know I know you really well text the text, and I'm\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I'm not\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I'm yeah. You didn't say anything. Don't you\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: don't need to worry about me\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: from from that perspective. It's more it's just it's more the way that I think he conducts his yeah. It it's it's very demanding and doesn't take your advice as much as what I think I prefer as a client, which would would would\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: would be a bit more like, yes. I understand that. I appreciate that. And and and, like, there's just a different way of working around it. I think that\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: maybe he\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: doesn't have it. And so that's why I'm kinda like, let's try and get the best one straight away so that I don't have to do model after model after model.\n\nChannel 1: I think I think that's right. So we should, from here, maybe establish you should just have a very clear fee agreement with him.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Obviously, I don't need I don't need to tell you that. But if you establish that and go, here's here's what we see happening, maybe iteration one being something like we give you some information about posts in the in the suspended area. You\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: decide what you wanna do with the culvert. We draw a very clear rectangle or polygon that says, this area here, we are going to exclude from any flooding being you know, fully block out that area,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: and and then you model that. And if it comes back with no impact and you and everything else being supportive in the same way that you already have got to, then we can go, well, that might be all we need to do\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: for flood modeling.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: If it doesn't quite come back and it's still borderline in areas that you're you feel need to be addressed or are clearly just not acceptable, then\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: we go iteration two. You know, maybe it's bigger culvert or maybe it's lowering the car park and allowing some flooding in those areas, and we go, does that work? Not still doesn't work. Well, then it's the case of, well, well, it probably will work at that point because it's probably very close to where you've already got to\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: by the set of things. And if it does work, then that's it. Hopefully, that's done, and you've\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: got the\n\nChannel 0: Fabulous.\n\nChannel 1: two there. So that's what I'll be thinking. So I think we just need to come back to you with, you know, post sizes and spacing in some form\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: and in the first instance. And I guess you need to model trees. I don't know if you already modeled vegetation in that buffer zone or whether that comes into it. But then if that was\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: part of\n\nChannel 0: I'd\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: probably\n\nChannel 1: discussion\n\nChannel 0: just\n\nChannel 1: you've\n\nChannel 0: leave\n\nChannel 1: had.\n\nChannel 0: it, honestly. I I I think it'd be because of this flow path, it probably be quite negligible.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Did you said massive retaining wall. Where and how how tall do you think the retaining wall is gonna be? Because I had in my mind it might be, like, a meter and a half maybe. Is that what you were\n\nChannel 0: Oh, yeah.\n\nChannel 1: thinking?\n\nChannel 0: So no. Yeah. It it is it is like that. Yeah. So it's like\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: a meter.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, it's like oh, sorry. I think it's it's just it's like a meter.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. So we just need to\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: so\n\nChannel 0: it's massive\n\nChannel 1: that's fine.\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: a massive retaining wall from Microsoft because I've never proposed that type of retaining wall before. So,\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: yeah, it might I think maybe I was exaggerating just purely because it's it's quite it's it's a large area that needs to be retained.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Yep. No. That's fine. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something where there was actually a, you know, two major retaining wall being proposed somewhere.\n\nWhat else? What else? What else? Oh, look. Mark, probably yeah.\n\nSo it's a bit interesting. There's things like I think he's he's got the wrong idea about the floor levels because if he says a floor level of a 150 mil buffer flood level, you your suspended structure is gonna have a depth with services underneath it that's gonna be you need more space, basically, that you're gonna have suspended\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: sewer pipes and all of that underneath it. So I think we need to establish really that we go no. No. Your floor levels might be higher, but or will be higher, but the underside of your suspended structure and any services probably have to be above the 100 year. And so they\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: they might be at, like, one zero five five point nine five even. If we can say, look, it's just 50 mill above the flood level to the underside of everything and then\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the floor level. You know? That might have to be 600 higher. If you're gonna do a suspended you've got sewer. You've got the structure itself.\n\nAll of that's gotta be accounted for. So I think that's probably where maybe he's missing it. So I don't know what his floor plans are. Alright. I've gotta go to one thing.\n\nThe other reason I was just gonna touch base is I sent you an email for a quote for North Walker.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I'm sorry.\n\nChannel 1: Can you so that yep. And that's fine. Just thought\n\nChannel 0: I'll\n\nChannel 1: I'd touch\n\nChannel 0: I'll\n\nChannel 1: base.\n\nChannel 0: work on that today.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. That's all good.\n\nChannel 0: Thank you\n\nChannel 1: Alright.\n\nChannel 0: so much.\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: I really appreciate\n\nChannel 1: That's fine. Yeah. No. Good good\n\nChannel 0: it.\n\nChannel 1: to talk. Hope you're going well.\n\nChannel 0: Thank you. You too. I'll\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I'll, yeah, I'll I'll speak to you properly later, but, yeah, I'll speak\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Sounds\n\nChannel 0: I'll\n\nChannel 1: good.\n\nChannel 0: get out that quote as soon as I can.\n\nChannel 1: No problem. Thank you. Talk to you, Alex.\n\nChannel 0: Thanks, Zach, and have a good wait. Oh, sorry. Yes.\n\nChannel 1: You\n\nChannel 0: Have\n\nChannel 1: too.\n\nChannel 0: a good\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: day. 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