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It's like, oh my god. Just I've just if you deleted my phone number, but I've I've called with a different one. I'm sorry. How are you? Yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Just, buttering along. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Is it is it okay. Because I I was speaking to a friend in council at Geelong, and they were saying that it's like their budgets have just been cut for this next financial year. Hopefully, the year after will be okay, but it's been a bit brutal. Yeah. Right. Oh, you're joking. Is that bad? Why is that? Oh, shit. That's hiccups. No. Yeah. It's yeah. I'm I've yeah. I've definitely felt that. That's not that isn't I mean, it's grim. It's super grim, but it's not as surprising as as what I'd hoped to yeah. It's it's been it's been a bit of a nightmare, isn't it? It really has. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. It's the it's the big build, isn't it, that that stuffed it? Yes. Sorry. Take yeah. Because it is interesting because every like, whilst it was going, everyone was like, oh, this is the greatest thing. But then there was no real foresight about, actually, maybe it isn't. It isn't sustainable. And are we going too hard too early? And is it gonna keep going? And and yet, I mean, this is the consequences. It's we're we're gonna cop it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. People made a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. That's just nitpick. Nitstick. Yeah. Me too. I'm I'm yeah. I'm I'm I'm I'm on a oh, yeah. I'm I'm not yeah. I'm the exact same way. I they I can see how they can be good. I can also see how they're horrible, and and don't actually help the people that they meant to help. So, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Holy. Wow. Oh my god. That's so hectic. That is hectic. That's intense, Camille. What? Like so so, I mean, they're gonna they're gonna cop it because that's that's pollution, isn't it? Like, they they could get done for that's really bad. Wow. I mean, the soil I I remember because I was looking at revitalizing the project for revitalizing Biddigo Creek, and the soil there also is just like there's so much arsenic in it. So if it washes away, that that that pollution as well. So it's like it's like what's washed down is like a sewage arsenic. Oh, that's so intense. Wow. Wow. Okay. Yeah. Fun fun time. Do you have you don't have to do you do you just get to sit back and be like, are you stuffed up? One's saying, like, what what do we do about it? Or like Wow. Yeah. Yeah. And all those bit, like, downstream. That is intense. It is it is it is it is it the that it goes into? No. Eventually. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh my god. So intense. So intense. Wow. Fun times. Wow. There you go. There you go. Hey. Does it? What? Yeah. I oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No. Sorry. I thought you said, like, it gets warped away all the time. Like, that's intense. Yeah. Yeah. I remember in Geelong along the bar, and I was when that big event came between twenty two, there were people swimming in the floodwaters. I yelled out, he's swimming in shit. Like like, it's just it's crazy that people don't think of what actually comes up after afterwards. It's yeah. I don't know. And I I also found it really strange that the EPA wasn't in the emergency center. I I feel like it it was it would have been a good opportunity to be like, hey. EPA, you should probably send out a warning as well that the floodwaters have effluent in it. You know? Like, I mean, people shouldn't be swimming in it, but if they aren't going to, there's another reason why they shouldn't be swimming without, like, getting very, very sick. So, yeah, insisting. Hey. I saw that you guys have a tender out. It's like it's like a bunch of what is it? A bunch of sub plans that need to be updated. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it's something that I could do? Or is it probably too big? Okay. Yeah. Okay. No. I just I I just yeah. I just kinda wanna get what you your if you thought it was for it it it sounded like it might be for, like, a bigger company or at least, you know, me teaming with a big company, but I I I just wanted to see if it was something you thought that was was achievable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I figured that. Yeah. I figured that. Yeah. I I I yeah. Especially with you know, I've I've only been in in a couple of emergency centers, and I still haven't been able to get my name on the list to support the next time. I'm not really sure how to do that now that what's his name's left? Sorry. No worries. Yeah. Okay. Alright. Well, that that's good to know. I think that's probably a no go for me. But, yeah, I just I yeah. I saw it, and it looks like a super interesting project, something that I that I reckon I could do, but it would also be basically me solely doing it, you know, without any other projects. And I wasn't yeah. I just felt like maybe it was a bridge too far. So, yeah, that's alright. I I do I I think I what you mentioned about, you know, the the actual people who come out to the flood, the water techs and the Hark who actually do the what is it? The the flood what are they called? Flood analyst. Yeah. The ones who are big flood analysts. They they they would want you'd want them to be the ones probably doing it because they're the ones who are gonna help assess it. So that makes sense to me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah. That makes sense. That makes sense. Oh, that's good. I'm glad I called. How how is how is the CMA going? Yeah? Other other than the other than the the looming stress. Yeah. Yeah. He was lovely. I need to follow-up with him to sorry. This week because he he said the end of financial year was a bit hectic. But I am I'm desperate to get into some councils just because I don't have work with land developers anymore. That's enough. They don't listen to me. It's just like, yeah, fix this problem. It's like, I I can't fix it. I'm sorry. It's like I've had a few where I had one which was from the North Central Region, and it was like, a it was a straight up objection from you guys. I can't remember where it was, but I remember them saying, okay. So how do we challenge this? Like, look at that. You're in, like, a meter and a half of flood water. What do you what do you want me to do? Like, anyway, it's it's funny. Yeah. I just yeah. Sorry. Just trying to speak to a couple. And I I finally started speaking to a few. It's just the. You know? It's not like it's a they I they the council typically like the big consultants that they've been using for ages and aren't super flexible in terms of moving over. So it was awesome to know that he worked for the CMA. That was a really nice segue into chatting and and building a relationship. So did he work with him much? Yeah. Oh, I hear you right now. You hear? Really interesting. That's fascinating. Wow. No. No. I know. I I know. Yeah. I I know. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I know. I look at I mean, I I love that. I think that's great. Yeah. That's that's brilliant. Well, I mean and and flooding in Bangladesh is pretty intense there. From memory, it's like the whole thing's a flood plain, so you'd you'd want really good engineers over there. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And and, yeah, and I mean, he he seemed, yeah, he seems super close, which is really and he's he or he's already been incredibly helpful, which has been lovely. Yeah. Okay. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Yeah. That's good. I gotta yeah. I've gotta I've also been pushing I've been part of the co working group in Melbourne Water, and they keep talking about it's it's so annoying. Camilla, you'd be like pulling your hair out. Like, they keep talking about how they're gonna sorry. They've got no one no examples of how to do, like, floodplain management strategies. And, like, all the way through it, I was sitting there. It's like everyone in the state, every other every other floodplain manager in the state has done this. Why don't you just call a different CMA and ask how what it's it's it's it's just like some of the some of the things that they are proposing, it the the things that when we were doing the flood plain management strategy for North Central that we had we flagged with the whole community and and we got feedback from and we knew didn't weren't gonna be working. And it it would have just been so easy if they had just called up oh, sorry. Just share the knowledge. I just feel like Melbourne Water just has become this gatekeeper and and doesn't want to interact with anyone else. And and I was just I was just pulling my hair out just being like, if you just if you just called any other CMA and and had a chat about what how you guys implemented your most recent one and what worked and what didn't. It they instead of them going down these ridiculous paths, like, they're it's just things that wouldn't work. I just don't it just really got me to me because I was just like, they're spending so much money on something that I know isn't gonna get built or isn't gonna isn't gonna work from a flood plain perspective. But if I had to just engage more people yeah. So I I just yeah. I found it. I've I've so I've I've kinda been whilst I've been in there, I've been like, why don't you reach out? Why don't you go to a Floodies forum? Like, why don't you go to one? Yeah. Yeah. Was that okay? Yes. Yeah. It it it it it it gets me a bit. It gets me a bit. And and I like there's been so many instances where I've been I don't know. I think of my time at North Central being like, you look at things and be like, is there actually any risk there? And even if it was even if there was flooding, what is the actual risk compared to the actual hazard? You know, risk and hazard, and and and I feel like that has just become completely muddled somewhere in there where it's just like, no. It's a value. It's not it's a number. It's not about the actual risk or the hazard. It's only about the number. You're like, that that's not how I mean, as engineers, that's not how we assess it. Like, it's it's about if if if you're putting a 100 people in a very in in a high risk areas, and that's not okay. But if you're putting a 100 people in an area that the risk is quite low, but there is a higher, like, point 3.5 meter flood depth for a short period, maybe that risk is better than the risk of you know what I mean? Like, it just, like, it just I don't know. There's no it's black and white. There's no, like, discussion about it, which which reads to me more of, like, them not having the experience to know the difference, I guess, maybe. And I'm just Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some houses do. Yeah. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It I I've been I found it difficult because I feel like he I I feel like he's a really good engineer, and and and, like, I I think in terms of but he is very strong with his opinions and does feel like he's always right, which is, you know, that is you know, some people like that. That's fine. But I've I've found it difficult to be like, I I I'm kinda on the fence. I'm I'm not really a 100% that you planned for the 20 one. Pardon? Yeah. But there's no I I guess the thing is, if you're gonna do if you if you're going to challenge a different way, you need to have something to back it up. And I think what the the backing up of houses are only 60 years old, I don't think that that's a good enough backup. I I I feel like that that's a that's a just okay. We're just we're we're making an excuse to build it for lower. Like, I if if there was some sort of, like, I don't know, research about how long houses actually do remain and then also, you know, the risk associated with what that house could be, then then I think we can there's a discussion that we can have. Maybe we don't need to project for the 2100. But without that type of framework, I'm not sure how you can possibly argue lower. You know? I I I I I see where, like, CMA's and accounts are coming from. We're just gonna go for the 2,100, and that's fine. And look, as long as it's the 2,100 for the SSP three, I've to me, I just I don't mind because if we're going to SSP five, we're basically all dead anyway. Yep. Yeah. So if I don't know. I yeah. I'm I'm I'm always better than happy to do it sorry. To go on the more risk adverse side, which is the, you know, 2,100, the SSP three. You know, you I'm I'm I think that's yeah. Well, that's that's right. That's right. Exactly. So this and and and I think it's the thing is what what we're seeing around Australia as well is, like, we've got communities that have no open green space or they've built right up to, you know, waterways and haven't got any amenity in it, And they just become dead zones, really. They're just not particularly pleasant places to live. And it's like a balance between developers who want as big a yield as humanly possible and an environment which needs to be protected because we're basically destroying it. So it's yeah. I've I've I've I've found that that's really it's a hard thing because I I want I wanna be one of the people that pushes for a better adaption policy. But, yeah, I there needs to be there needs to be something a bit better than just we're projecting to this, but there also needs to be and it needs to be a bit more flex I I don't know, adaptive. I'm not sure how to do it. I'm trying to figure that out. But, yeah, it's I have noticed that he has started getting his his tail up a bit about with with government, especially. Yeah. It's it's seeming like it's a industry wide kind of frustration now get leading towards I I mean, you know, there's there's constant for Melbourne Water, but we I mean, recently now, the simple flood impact assessments where we used to get a hydrograph from Melbourne Water looks like they're refusing to give us that now, which is I I see where why they're doing yeah. Well, apparently, they're doing it because pardon? Yes. Apparently, it's a it's a risk that they might be giving the wrong flow. So they now what I've asked recently has been, we'll give you a flood oh, sorry. A peak level, but we're based on what we've got, and then you do a flood model. Like, well, that means we need to build like, for a replacement dwelling for a family who wants a replacement dwelling, they're gonna be spending $15.20 15 k for a full flood study, you know, instead of 10 less than 10 to do to just adopt the flow. You know? It's just for me, it just seems just crazy. That's right. Then why can't you use them? It's crazy. Yeah. So yeah. Oh, yeah. I I completely agree. Yeah. I completely agree. Yeah. We should be making sustainable systems. Yeah. And and especially with subdivisions, there there's no excuse to not be doing the the max for a subdivision. It's it's it's I mean, yes. Like a replacement dwelling, I I probably am a little bit less hesitant sorry, more hesitant about going to 2,100. But if it's a a new subdivision, then, yeah, as big as you can, I think it needs to be? And and and it will be better for them in the long run. That's right. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Fun times. Thank you. I appreciate it. It's lovely to speak to you. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. Okay. Well, Adam Adam has a bit Adam Adam's a bit more because he he's not an engineer, is he? Is he? What? Maybe I've got my well, I I think I'm sorry. Because he doesn't he's he's a slug's tolerance is 0.003, which to me is crazy. I I just I I can't I think that's that that's because even you you guys don't ask that much. Like, unless it's only a really sensitive area. But, yeah, I just yeah. So I I thought that maybe he wasn't an engineer because of that. Was that one thing? Oh. Oh, what? Oh, shit. Okay. Shit. Okay. God. I yep. That's really good to remember. Thank you. I'm gonna put my foot in my mouth. God, I'm glad I put my hood in my mouth to you instead of someone else. That's great. Yeah. Cool. Okay. Okay. Well, hang on. There you go. Oh, cool. Alright. There you go. Well yeah. Because I'm working on a project with him along the Latrobe River, and he wants, like, a 0.003, and it's it's a farmland. 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Clint Neal. It's Alex. Oh, if I called you from my business phone I've called you from my business phone, haven't I? Oh, no. It's like, I I just gotta tell you.\n\nYou're saying who who is this? It's like, oh my god. Just I've just if you deleted my phone number, but I've I've called with a different one. I'm sorry. How are you?\n\nYeah. Not bad. Not bad. Just, buttering along. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Right. Is it is it okay. Because I I was speaking to a friend in council at Geelong, and they were saying that it's like their budgets have just been cut for this next financial year.\n\nHopefully, the year after will be okay, but it's been a bit brutal. Yeah. Right. Oh, you're joking. Is that bad?\n\nWhy is that? Oh, shit. That's hiccups. No. Yeah.\n\nIt's yeah. I'm I've yeah. I've definitely felt that. That's not that isn't I mean, it's grim. It's super grim, but it's not as surprising as as what I'd hoped to yeah.\n\nIt's it's been it's been a bit of a nightmare, isn't it? It really has. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly.\n\nYeah. It's the it's the big build, isn't it, that that stuffed it? Yes. Sorry. Take yeah.\n\nBecause it is interesting because every like, whilst it was going, everyone was like, oh, this is the greatest thing. But then there was no real foresight about, actually, maybe it isn't. It isn't sustainable. And are we going too hard too early? And is it gonna keep going?\n\nAnd and yet, I mean, this is the consequences. It's we're we're gonna cop it. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nPeople made a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. That's just nitpick. Nitstick.\n\nYeah. Me too. I'm I'm yeah. I'm I'm I'm I'm on a oh, yeah. I'm I'm not yeah.\n\nI'm the exact same way. I they I can see how they can be good. I can also see how they're horrible, and and don't actually help the people that they meant to help. So, yeah, it's pretty crazy. Yeah.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Holy. Wow. Oh my god.\n\nThat's so hectic. That is hectic. That's intense, Camille. What? Like so so, I mean, they're gonna they're gonna cop it because that's that's pollution, isn't it?\n\nLike, they they could get done for that's really bad. Wow. I mean, the soil I I remember because I was looking at revitalizing the project for revitalizing Biddigo Creek, and the soil there also is just like there's so much arsenic in it. So if it washes away, that that that pollution as well. So it's like it's like what's washed down is like a sewage arsenic.\n\nOh, that's so intense. Wow. Wow. Okay. Yeah.\n\nFun fun time. Do you have you don't have to do you do you just get to sit back and be like, are you stuffed up? One's saying, like, what what do we do about it? Or like Wow. Yeah.\n\nYeah. And all those bit, like, downstream. That is intense. It is it is it is it is it the that it goes into? No.\n\nEventually. Oh my god. Yeah. Oh my god. So intense.\n\nSo intense. Wow. Fun times. Wow. There you go.\n\nThere you go. Hey. Does it? What? Yeah.\n\nI oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. No.\n\nSorry. I thought you said, like, it gets warped away all the time. Like, that's intense. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nI remember in Geelong along the bar, and I was when that big event came between twenty two, there were people swimming in the floodwaters. I yelled out, he's swimming in shit. Like like, it's just it's crazy that people don't think of what actually comes up after afterwards. It's yeah. I don't know.\n\nAnd I I also found it really strange that the EPA wasn't in the emergency center. I I feel like it it was it would have been a good opportunity to be like, hey. EPA, you should probably send out a warning as well that the floodwaters have effluent in it. You know? Like, I mean, people shouldn't be swimming in it, but if they aren't going to, there's another reason why they shouldn't be swimming without, like, getting very, very sick.\n\nSo, yeah, insisting. Hey. I saw that you guys have a tender out. It's like it's like a bunch of what is it? A bunch of sub plans that need to be updated.\n\nOkay. Yeah. Yeah. Do you think it's something that I could do? Or is it probably too big?\n\nOkay. Yeah. Okay. No. I just I I just yeah.\n\nI just kinda wanna get what you your if you thought it was for it it it sounded like it might be for, like, a bigger company or at least, you know, me teaming with a big company, but I I I just wanted to see if it was something you thought that was was achievable. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I figured that.\n\nYeah. I figured that. Yeah. I I I yeah. Especially with you know, I've I've only been in in a couple of emergency centers, and I still haven't been able to get my name on the list to support the next time.\n\nI'm not really sure how to do that now that what's his name's left? Sorry. No worries. Yeah. Okay.\n\nAlright. Well, that that's good to know. I think that's probably a no go for me. But, yeah, I just I yeah. I saw it, and it looks like a super interesting project, something that I that I reckon I could do, but it would also be basically me solely doing it, you know, without any other projects.\n\nAnd I wasn't yeah. I just felt like maybe it was a bridge too far. So, yeah, that's alright. I I do I I think I what you mentioned about, you know, the the actual people who come out to the flood, the water techs and the Hark who actually do the what is it? The the flood what are they called?\n\nFlood analyst. Yeah. The ones who are big flood analysts. They they they would want you'd want them to be the ones probably doing it because they're the ones who are gonna help assess it. So that makes sense to me.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.\n\nThat makes sense. That makes sense. Oh, that's good. I'm glad I called. How how is how is the CMA going?\n\nYeah? Other other than the other than the the looming stress. Yeah. Yeah. He was lovely.\n\nI need to follow-up with him to sorry. This week because he he said the end of financial year was a bit hectic. But I am I'm desperate to get into some councils just because I don't have work with land developers anymore. That's enough. They don't listen to me.\n\nIt's just like, yeah, fix this problem. It's like, I I can't fix it. I'm sorry. It's like I've had a few where I had one which was from the North Central Region, and it was like, a it was a straight up objection from you guys. I can't remember where it was, but I remember them saying, okay.\n\nSo how do we challenge this? Like, look at that. You're in, like, a meter and a half of flood water. What do you what do you want me to do? Like, anyway, it's it's funny.\n\nYeah. I just yeah. Sorry. Just trying to speak to a couple. And I I finally started speaking to a few.\n\nIt's just the. You know? It's not like it's a they I they the council typically like the big consultants that they've been using for ages and aren't super flexible in terms of moving over. So it was awesome to know that he worked for the CMA. That was a really nice segue into chatting and and building a relationship.\n\nSo did he work with him much? Yeah. Oh, I hear you right now. You hear? Really interesting.\n\nThat's fascinating. Wow. No. No. I know.\n\nI I know. Yeah. I I know. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. I know. I look at I mean, I I love that. I think that's great. Yeah.\n\nThat's that's brilliant. Well, I mean and and flooding in Bangladesh is pretty intense there. From memory, it's like the whole thing's a flood plain, so you'd you'd want really good engineers over there. Yeah. Okay.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. And and, yeah, and I mean, he he seemed, yeah, he seems super close, which is really and he's he or he's already been incredibly helpful, which has been lovely.\n\nYeah. Okay. Oh, that's good. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nThat's good. I gotta yeah. I've gotta I've also been pushing I've been part of the co working group in Melbourne Water, and they keep talking about it's it's so annoying. Camilla, you'd be like pulling your hair out. Like, they keep talking about how they're gonna sorry.\n\nThey've got no one no examples of how to do, like, floodplain management strategies. And, like, all the way through it, I was sitting there. It's like everyone in the state, every other every other floodplain manager in the state has done this. Why don't you just call a different CMA and ask how what it's it's it's it's just like some of the some of the things that they are proposing, it the the things that when we were doing the flood plain management strategy for North Central that we had we flagged with the whole community and and we got feedback from and we knew didn't weren't gonna be working. And it it would have just been so easy if they had just called up oh, sorry.\n\nJust share the knowledge. I just feel like Melbourne Water just has become this gatekeeper and and doesn't want to interact with anyone else. And and I was just I was just pulling my hair out just being like, if you just if you just called any other CMA and and had a chat about what how you guys implemented your most recent one and what worked and what didn't. It they instead of them going down these ridiculous paths, like, they're it's just things that wouldn't work. I just don't it just really got me to me because I was just like, they're spending so much money on something that I know isn't gonna get built or isn't gonna isn't gonna work from a flood plain perspective.\n\nBut if I had to just engage more people yeah. So I I just yeah. I found it. I've I've so I've I've kinda been whilst I've been in there, I've been like, why don't you reach out? Why don't you go to a Floodies forum?\n\nLike, why don't you go to one? Yeah. Yeah. Was that okay? Yes.\n\nYeah. It it it it it it gets me a bit. It gets me a bit. And and I like there's been so many instances where I've been I don't know. I think of my time at North Central being like, you look at things and be like, is there actually any risk there?\n\nAnd even if it was even if there was flooding, what is the actual risk compared to the actual hazard? You know, risk and hazard, and and and I feel like that has just become completely muddled somewhere in there where it's just like, no. It's a value. It's not it's a number. It's not about the actual risk or the hazard.\n\nIt's only about the number. You're like, that that's not how I mean, as engineers, that's not how we assess it. Like, it's it's about if if if you're putting a 100 people in a very in in a high risk areas, and that's not okay. But if you're putting a 100 people in an area that the risk is quite low, but there is a higher, like, point 3.5 meter flood depth for a short period, maybe that risk is better than the risk of you know what I mean? Like, it just, like, it just I don't know.\n\nThere's no it's black and white. There's no, like, discussion about it, which which reads to me more of, like, them not having the experience to know the difference, I guess, maybe. And I'm just Yeah. Yeah. I mean, some houses do.\n\nYeah. Right. Yes. Yes. Yes.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nYeah. It I I've been I found it difficult because I feel like he I I feel like he's a really good engineer, and and and, like, I I think in terms of but he is very strong with his opinions and does feel like he's always right, which is, you know, that is you know, some people like that. That's fine. But I've I've found it difficult to be like, I I I'm kinda on the fence. I'm I'm not really a 100% that you planned for the 20 one.\n\nPardon? Yeah. But there's no I I guess the thing is, if you're gonna do if you if you're going to challenge a different way, you need to have something to back it up. And I think what the the backing up of houses are only 60 years old, I don't think that that's a good enough backup. I I I feel like that that's a that's a just okay.\n\nWe're just we're we're making an excuse to build it for lower. Like, I if if there was some sort of, like, I don't know, research about how long houses actually do remain and then also, you know, the risk associated with what that house could be, then then I think we can there's a discussion that we can have. Maybe we don't need to project for the 2100. But without that type of framework, I'm not sure how you can possibly argue lower. You know?\n\nI I I I I see where, like, CMA's and accounts are coming from. We're just gonna go for the 2,100, and that's fine. And look, as long as it's the 2,100 for the SSP three, I've to me, I just I don't mind because if we're going to SSP five, we're basically all dead anyway. Yep. Yeah.\n\nSo if I don't know. I yeah. I'm I'm I'm always better than happy to do it sorry. 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A peak level, but we're based on what we've got, and then you do a flood model. Like, well, that means we need to build like, for a replacement dwelling for a family who wants a replacement dwelling, they're gonna be spending $15.20 15 k for a full flood study, you know, instead of 10 less than 10 to do to just adopt the flow.\n\nYou know? It's just for me, it just seems just crazy. That's right. Then why can't you use them? It's crazy.\n\nYeah. So yeah. Oh, yeah. I I completely agree. Yeah.\n\nI completely agree. Yeah. We should be making sustainable systems. Yeah. And and especially with subdivisions, there there's no excuse to not be doing the the max for a subdivision.\n\nIt's it's it's I mean, yes. Like a replacement dwelling, I I probably am a little bit less hesitant sorry, more hesitant about going to 2,100. But if it's a a new subdivision, then, yeah, as big as you can, I think it needs to be? And and and it will be better for them in the long run. That's right.\n\nYeah. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nExactly. Yeah. Fun times. Thank you. I appreciate it.\n\nIt's lovely to speak to you. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah.\n\nOkay. Well, Adam Adam has a bit Adam Adam's a bit more because he he's not an engineer, is he? Is he? What? Maybe I've got my well, I I think I'm sorry.\n\nBecause he doesn't he's he's a slug's tolerance is 0.003, which to me is crazy. I I just I I can't I think that's that that's because even you you guys don't ask that much. Like, unless it's only a really sensitive area. But, yeah, I just yeah. So I I thought that maybe he wasn't an engineer because of that.\n\nWas that one thing? Oh. Oh, what? Oh, shit. Okay.\n\nShit. Okay. God. I yep. That's really good to remember.\n\nThank you. I'm gonna put my foot in my mouth. God, I'm glad I put my hood in my mouth to you instead of someone else. That's great. Yeah.\n\nCool. Okay. Okay. Well, hang on. There you go.\n\nOh, cool. Alright. There you go. Well yeah. Because I'm working on a project with him along the Latrobe River, and he wants, like, a 0.003, and it's it's a farmland.\n\nI'm like, oh, it's just it's it's too small for farmland. Like, he it's I I appreciate, you know, no change in storage and sorry. Flood storage, but the Airflash thing for me is a bit like, even I when I go to Joel, he's got he's got that that guideline that's super that just makes more sense about, like, the gradient and everything like that. You're willing he's willing to accept more. But, you know, it's their own, I guess.\n\nAnyway, it's their own. We're all trying to live. Alright. See you, mate. 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Camille White speaking. Oh, hello. Hello. You're not speaking on that. Gosh. That's all very efficient. I said, how do I not like this number? Oh, I Dead to me. Yeah. Good. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Just trying to work that labor for next year. Oh, fucking hell. It's all real and a deal and because we've got this and that, and they've got this option now. I've got too many fucking options, and oh my god. Anyway, it's all good. Well, this year, I'm more off the next two years, but then I reckon e c seven is gonna be fucking disastrous. We'll have to lay people off, I reckon. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be abysmal because that's what the only reason we haven't been slashed to date is that the contracts are locked in. The four year contracts are locked in for e c six. So come e c seven if we still got labor in or even nibble, but I reckon it'll be fucking slashed. Okay. They're pretty this government hasn't done a very fucking good job of protecting government staff and managing the budget as we know. Yes. Yes. But the thing is it shouldn't have been this grim. It's just they have monumentally fucked it with those big projects. Yeah. Good projects. They need to be done. But yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's the thing. It's just like yeah. There's something it's not corruption. It's just incompetence. It's important for our change, but they're just the fucking unions have just taken all the money. So some very fucking rich people out there, it's not the companies that built it because they got this. And it's not the it's not the companies themselves that made the money because they they went under as well. Like, they lost money from this project. It was fucking union and fucking corruption. And then to see the confidence of the the bureaucrats not to pull them up on it. Anyway. Anyway. Yeah. That's enough of my rant. I fucking hate unions. I mean, I love them, but I hate them. Yeah. Okay. Anyway, sorry. It's enough of my rant. Yeah. I'm at ground zero at the moment watching did you hear it was talk about hectic. So you know the creek in front of my place? We've had a really big, you know, sort of rainfall event last week. And council, bless them, were in the creek. They've been, like, ripping up sections of concrete so they can write relay new concrete so we can have to bypass in the creek, which is great in theory. But because they're they're uncovering, like, 200 meters of the creek base at a time, and there's that's where the trunk sewer is, and it has washed away the pipes. There's 200 feet in the section. Our main trunk sewer, the pipe does not exist. For a few days, I was just pumping raw sewage into Bendigo Creek. Oh my god. So councils busted it right, Royal. I should not have been uncovered that much in one hit. And so that old chest, no. End of financial year, spend as much money as you can. And now it's just been I've got front row seats to them fixing it. It's next level. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I don't know. It is like yeah. It's really bad. Yeah. Yeah. It's a monumental cock up. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's a show fast. Yeah. Sensor. So I didn't even get notified. This is the craziness of it. Every time Collin and Mortar wanna do some emergency relief pick of of class a effluent, they'll let us know notification blah blah blah. And then this happens. No notification. They've just been working. This is an it's a full blown emergency. So there's sort of not the etiquette of letting people know. So they didn't let Gulf Murray Water know. They haven't let us know. I mean, obviously, I know. But it's fascinating. I saw this song and dance when they released class a, which is pretty all the, you know, the treated stuff. But, yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah. Eventually. Yeah. It doesn't count. Well yeah. No. Mhmm. Anyway. Well, it happens all the time. But it's normally yeah. Because the sewage yeah. Like, sewage pipes are only they can only cope with, like, a one in five year storm. So they're being ready to no. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. Unless she's released. So they'll she like, it'll get released, sir, but then you don't know if this is part of flood water and blah blah blah blah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. What's that one for? The 5,000. Yes. Yes. Yes. So it's updating all the municipal flood plans and so the project water texted for Golden Broken. And so, basically, they got money across the state to update flood intelligence for these plans. Yeah. Yeah. Might be a bit too big. Alright. So so well, I don't know. Yeah. It's it's a big project. I mean, I can't say anything to someone with the Tinder assessment panel. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the experiences the experience of your water techs and your hacks who are like the key flight analysts in those incident control centers, they they I mean, obviously, they're the Montes to get it just because, yeah, they've it's building on that, you know, those people that get deployed and building on their knowledge to upgrade the flight intelligence stuff product. So, yeah, it'd be it'd be hard push. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah. Mel Melanie is the one running it, I think. Yeah. I gotta get on to her actually about it. Yeah. Mel can. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's really teamed up with someone else or whatever. But yeah. Yeah. Oh, just sort of experience to the filling in and, you know because that's what we're really buying in is we're buying in that experience to update it. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. We're good. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So oh, and did you so what was who was it? Abby. Beautiful Abby. He was very excited about you. Yeah. He's yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was groomer. So I worked with Paul Fennell, and he's just Paul loved him. We all loved him. And then he went over to Grampians Room. I don't know what it like, he is he is very smart. He's a very smart. He's a very fucking smart guy. And he's done yeah. And his wife because he's come over from Bangladesh. And, like, the engineers are there, the fucking the the ducks and outside, they're the really smart ones. And his wife, the doctor, and she came over and he goes, I can't understand it. He said, doctors are dumb in Bangladesh, and she's getting paid, you know, twice as much as me. I said, how does that work? Here in Australia. How does that work? Well, that's dumb, but you know what I mean? Like, they they lower they lower on the the picking the picking order than us. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. So but he was yeah. He moved to Melbourne I think his wife got a job down there as well. And, you know yeah. So I think just a lifestyle change moving back to Melbourne or to Melbourne. Yeah. Yeah. It's it's just a beautiful, beautiful person. Yeah. Same as me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. What about that? I just got another example for how to do a profile management strategy. What am I talking about? It's always been a while, though. It's always been a while, though, is that even when I would say not more I think they're the best and always has been. And there's no need to speak to anyone else because everyone else is a they're muffins. And we know better. And then you have but now it's the people who don't need to actually know. They don't know what they don't know. So they don't yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'll tell you what. I was speaking to Adam Dunn yesterday. So Chris Beech, well, he's turned on us a bit. Yeah. He's like, oh, I don't know your thoughts. So this whole thing is okay. So climate change is a pain in the ass. We know. But it's a new data. So we've got our account plan for it. And so if we're doing appropriate planning, you've got to account for it. Now do you need to to mitigate like, if you're building a new house, this whole this whole bullshit, oh, but a house is only gonna last for me so many years. Fuck off. You never know how long that house is gonna last. It could last a fucking hundred years. So you've gotta, yeah, something else good. So you've gotta set the four levels appropriately and and because it's not a linear thing with climate change. We can have step changes as well along the way. Anyway but the whole offsetting impacts I mean, the key thing is you've gotta have the space to facilitate. If the works aren't done now, you gotta have the space. And then that's the beauty of the Old Anne And Long Valley Authority is they created space in all their subdivisions. They did a magnificent, like, all the space, and then that was then enough space now to then have the wetlands and all this other stuff. No magic. They just set the appropriate amount of space. And then that which has given the flexibility for all this adaptive planning and, you know, having wetlands, having all this stuff. Whereas now we're going, oh, fuck it. We'll get it into the fucking barest minimum. Where's the fucking space? Yeah. Where's the space to enable this stuff? And then so Chris agrees. So we've got a bit more space to this one in Bendigo, but still, I don't reckon it's enough. And now he's having an argy bargy with Adam. Adam goes, there isn't the space. And so yeah. And, yeah, Chris has sort of turned oh, we shouldn't he said yeah. He said we shouldn't be he said we shouldn't be planning for the increase in a flux in '20, you know, 2100. You know, they shouldn't be planning for that now. It's like no, mate. Fuck off. Why have you turned? You got a good plan for planning. Yeah. I'm on the fence too. Yeah. I'm on the fence too. But it's all like but then we go, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yes. So quick. So I'm going to just pick three. So so then yeah. Yeah. And is this what free for would you go? Do you go you don't necessarily go 600 above the 2,100 either. It's more yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Really? Risk of this? And I just risk of this? Oh, good lord. It's bonkers, isn't it? I mean, fair enough, all is still in production. But once they've been signed off yeah. Yeah. I mean Yeah. Crazy. Crazy. Crazy. And I think there's we've got to treat I mean, obviously, we we do already do treat greenfield and infill differently. And I think there's definitely an element of what's the the safety that the hazard thing for infill versus, you know, Greenfield. I think Greenfield is the opportunity to get it right. And especially, I mean, with this 50 meter setback and all that as well. I mean, yeah, we should be getting that right. Yeah. That's the the possibility. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes. That's pretty much how but you can pretty much choose this free board anyway. Yeah. You can choose with the free bill. Yeah. Yeah. Last thing you wanna do is build at 300 above the 1%. Oh, fuck. Oh, okay. I didn't get it for the 2,100. If you did a decent free board, then you go, oh, fuck. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's me. Cool. Well, thanks, mate. Well, thank you soon. Soon. Oh, well, introduce me, Chris. I still love him, but, you know, that's alright. I think he's trying to play me and Adam off against each other because I'm quite supportive. And then Adam is, like, you know, full tilt the other way. Yeah. He's always been a bit of a yeah. Fuck you. No. I should say. Yeah. He was in the army. He was an army trained engineer. Yeah. No. No. I should've. He's yeah. He was he did the original redevelopment scans in milk and water, you know, design and parts and shit. He he's like a he's a proper. 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Camille White speaking. Oh, hello. Hello. You're not speaking on that.\n\nGosh. That's all very efficient. I said, how do I not like this number? Oh, I Dead to me. Yeah.\n\nGood. There you go. Yeah. Yeah. Just trying to work that labor for next year.\n\nOh, fucking hell. It's all real and a deal and because we've got this and that, and they've got this option now. I've got too many fucking options, and oh my god. Anyway, it's all good. Well, this year, I'm more off the next two years, but then I reckon e c seven is gonna be fucking disastrous.\n\nWe'll have to lay people off, I reckon. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It's gonna be abysmal because that's what the only reason we haven't been slashed to date is that the contracts are locked in. The four year contracts are locked in for e c six.\n\nSo come e c seven if we still got labor in or even nibble, but I reckon it'll be fucking slashed. Okay. They're pretty this government hasn't done a very fucking good job of protecting government staff and managing the budget as we know. Yes. Yes.\n\nBut the thing is it shouldn't have been this grim. It's just they have monumentally fucked it with those big projects. Yeah. Good projects. They need to be done.\n\nBut yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's the thing.\n\nIt's just like yeah. There's something it's not corruption. It's just incompetence. It's important for our change, but they're just the fucking unions have just taken all the money. So some very fucking rich people out there, it's not the companies that built it because they got this.\n\nAnd it's not the it's not the companies themselves that made the money because they they went under as well. Like, they lost money from this project. It was fucking union and fucking corruption. And then to see the confidence of the the bureaucrats not to pull them up on it. Anyway.\n\nAnyway. Yeah. That's enough of my rant. I fucking hate unions. I mean, I love them, but I hate them.\n\nYeah. Okay. Anyway, sorry. It's enough of my rant. Yeah.\n\nI'm at ground zero at the moment watching did you hear it was talk about hectic. So you know the creek in front of my place? We've had a really big, you know, sort of rainfall event last week. And council, bless them, were in the creek. They've been, like, ripping up sections of concrete so they can write relay new concrete so we can have to bypass in the creek, which is great in theory.\n\nBut because they're they're uncovering, like, 200 meters of the creek base at a time, and there's that's where the trunk sewer is, and it has washed away the pipes. There's 200 feet in the section. Our main trunk sewer, the pipe does not exist. For a few days, I was just pumping raw sewage into Bendigo Creek. Oh my god.\n\nSo councils busted it right, Royal. I should not have been uncovered that much in one hit. And so that old chest, no. 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No.\n\nMhmm. Anyway. Well, it happens all the time. But it's normally yeah. Because the sewage yeah.\n\nLike, sewage pipes are only they can only cope with, like, a one in five year storm. So they're being ready to no. No. No. No.\n\nNo. No. No. No. Unless she's released.\n\nSo they'll she like, it'll get released, sir, but then you don't know if this is part of flood water and blah blah blah blah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yes.\n\nWhat's that one for? The 5,000. Yes. Yes. Yes.\n\nSo it's updating all the municipal flood plans and so the project water texted for Golden Broken. And so, basically, they got money across the state to update flood intelligence for these plans. Yeah. Yeah. Might be a bit too big.\n\nAlright. So so well, I don't know. Yeah. It's it's a big project. I mean, I can't say anything to someone with the Tinder assessment panel.\n\nYeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. 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Camille White speaking.\n\nChannel 0: Hello, Clint Neal. It's Alex.\n\nChannel 1: Oh, hello. Hello.\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: You're\n\nChannel 0: if\n\nChannel 1: not\n\nChannel 0: I called\n\nChannel 1: speaking\n\nChannel 0: you from\n\nChannel 1: on\n\nChannel 0: my\n\nChannel 1: that.\n\nChannel 0: business phone I've called you from my business phone, haven't I?\n\nChannel 1: Gosh. That's all very efficient. I said, how do I not like\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: this number?\n\nChannel 0: no. It's like, I I just gotta tell you. You're saying who who is this? It's like, oh my god. Just I've just if you deleted my phone number, but I've I've called with a different one.\n\nI'm sorry.\n\nChannel 1: Oh, I Dead to me.\n\nChannel 0: How are you?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Good. There you go.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Not bad. Not bad. Just,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: buttering\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: along.\n\nChannel 1: Just\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: trying to work that labor for next year. Oh, fucking hell. It's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: all real and a deal and because we've got this and that, and they've got this option now. I've got too many fucking options, and oh my god. Anyway, it's all good.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Right. Is it is it okay. Because I I was speaking to a friend in council at Geelong, and they were saying that it's like their budgets have just been cut for this next financial year. Hopefully, the year after will be okay, but it's been a bit brutal.\n\nChannel 1: Well, this year, I'm more off the next two years, but then I reckon e c seven is gonna be fucking disastrous. We'll\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: have\n\nChannel 0: Right.\n\nChannel 1: to lay people off, I reckon. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, you're joking. Is that bad?\n\nChannel 1: Oh, yeah. It's gonna be abysmal because that's\n\nChannel 0: Why\n\nChannel 1: what\n\nChannel 0: is that?\n\nChannel 1: the only reason we haven't been slashed to date is that the contracts are locked in. The four year contracts are locked in for e c six. So come e c seven if we still got labor in or even nibble, but I reckon it'll be fucking slashed.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, shit. That's hiccups.\n\nChannel 1: Okay. They're pretty this government hasn't done a very fucking good job of protecting government staff and managing the budget as we know. Yes.\n\nChannel 0: No. Yeah. It's yeah. I'm I've yeah. I've definitely felt that.\n\nThat's not that isn't I mean, it's grim. It's super grim, but it's not as surprising as as what I'd hoped to yeah. It's it's been it's been a bit of a nightmare, isn't it? It really has.\n\nChannel 1: Yes. But the thing is it shouldn't have been this grim. It's just they have monumentally fucked it with those big projects. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Good\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: projects.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: They need\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: to\n\nChannel 0: It's\n\nChannel 1: be\n\nChannel 0: the it's the\n\nChannel 1: done.\n\nChannel 0: big build,\n\nChannel 1: But\n\nChannel 0: isn't it,\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that that stuffed\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: it? Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. Well,\n\nChannel 0: Sorry.\n\nChannel 1: it's the thing. It's just like yeah. There's something\n\nChannel 0: Take\n\nChannel 1: it's not corruption. It's just incompetence.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. Because it is interesting because every like, whilst it was going, everyone was like, oh, this is the greatest thing. But then there was no real foresight about, actually, maybe it isn't. It isn't sustainable. And are we going too hard too early?\n\nAnd is it gonna keep going? And and yet, I mean, this is the consequences. It's\n\nChannel 1: It's\n\nChannel 0: we're we're\n\nChannel 1: important\n\nChannel 0: gonna\n\nChannel 1: for our\n\nChannel 0: cop\n\nChannel 1: change,\n\nChannel 0: it.\n\nChannel 1: but they're just the fucking unions have just taken all the money. So some very\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: fucking rich people out there, it's not\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the companies that built it\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: because they\n\nChannel 0: People\n\nChannel 1: got\n\nChannel 0: made a lot of money.\n\nChannel 1: this. And it's not the it's not the companies themselves that made the money because they they went under as well. Like, they lost money from this\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: project. It was fucking union and fucking corruption. And then to see the confidence of the the bureaucrats not to pull them up on it. Anyway.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. That's just nitpick.\n\nChannel 1: Anyway. Yeah. That's\n\nChannel 0: Nitstick.\n\nChannel 1: enough of my rant. I fucking hate unions. I mean, I love them, but I hate them. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Me too. I'm I'm yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: I'm I'm I'm I'm on a oh, yeah. I'm I'm not yeah. I'm the exact same way. I they I can see how they can be good. I can also see how they're horrible, and and don't actually help the people that they meant to help.\n\nSo, yeah,\n\nChannel 1: Anyway,\n\nChannel 0: it's pretty crazy.\n\nChannel 1: sorry. It's enough of my rant. Yeah. I'm at ground zero at the moment watching did you hear it was talk about hectic. So you know the creek in front of my place?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: We've had a really big, you know, sort of rainfall event last week.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: And council, bless them, were in the creek. They've been, like, ripping up sections of concrete so they can write relay new concrete so we can have to bypass in the creek, which\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: is great in theory. But because they're they're uncovering, like, 200 meters of the creek base at a time, and there's that's where the trunk sewer is, and it has washed away the pipes.\n\nChannel 0: Holy.\n\nChannel 1: There's 200\n\nChannel 0: Wow.\n\nChannel 1: feet in the section. Our main trunk sewer, the pipe does not exist.\n\nChannel 0: Oh my god. That's so\n\nChannel 1: For a\n\nChannel 0: hectic.\n\nChannel 1: few days, I was just pumping raw sewage into Bendigo Creek.\n\nChannel 0: That is hectic.\n\nChannel 1: Oh my god. So councils busted it right, Royal. I should not have been uncovered that much in one hit. And so that old chest, no. End of financial year, spend as much money as you can.\n\nAnd now it's just been I've got front row seats to them fixing it. It's next level. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That's intense, Camille. What?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Like\n\nChannel 1: It's like I don't know. It\n\nChannel 0: so so,\n\nChannel 1: is\n\nChannel 0: I mean, they're gonna they're gonna cop it\n\nChannel 1: like\n\nChannel 0: because that's that's pollution, isn't it? Like, they they could get done for\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that's really\n\nChannel 1: It's\n\nChannel 0: bad.\n\nChannel 1: really bad. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Wow.\n\nChannel 1: It's a monumental cock up. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I mean, the soil I I remember because I was looking at revitalizing the project\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: for revitalizing Biddigo Creek, and the soil there also is just like there's so much arsenic in it. So if it washes away, that that that pollution as well. So it's like it's like what's washed down is like a sewage arsenic. Oh, that's so intense. Wow.\n\nWow.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: It's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: a show\n\nChannel 0: Fun\n\nChannel 1: fast.\n\nChannel 0: fun time. Do you\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: have you don't have to do you do\n\nChannel 1: Sensor.\n\nChannel 0: you just get to sit back and be like, are you stuffed up? One's saying, like, what what do we do about it? Or\n\nChannel 1: So I didn't even get\n\nChannel 0: like\n\nChannel 1: notified. This is the craziness of it. Every time Collin and Mortar wanna do some emergency relief pick of of class a effluent, they'll let us know notification blah blah blah. And then this happens. No notification.\n\nThey've just been working. This is an it's a full blown emergency. So there's sort of not the etiquette of letting people know. So they didn't let Gulf Murray Water know. They haven't let us know.\n\nI mean, obviously, I know. But it's fascinating. I saw this song and dance when they released class a, which is pretty all the, you know, the treated stuff.\n\nChannel 0: Wow. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: But, yeah, it's fascinating. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. And all those bit, like, downstream. That is intense. It is it is it is it is it the that it goes into? No.\n\nChannel 1: Eventually.\n\nChannel 0: Eventually.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. It\n\nChannel 0: Oh\n\nChannel 1: doesn't\n\nChannel 0: my god.\n\nChannel 1: count. Well yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Oh my god. So\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: intense. So intense. Wow. Fun times.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Anyway.\n\nChannel 0: Wow. There you go. There you go.\n\nChannel 1: Well, it happens all\n\nChannel 0: Hey.\n\nChannel 1: the time. But\n\nChannel 0: Does\n\nChannel 1: it's normally\n\nChannel 0: it?\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Because\n\nChannel 0: What?\n\nChannel 1: the sewage yeah. Like, sewage pipes are only they can only cope with, like, a one in five year storm.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I oh, sorry. Yeah. Yeah. Okay.\n\nNo. Sorry. I\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: thought you\n\nChannel 1: they're\n\nChannel 0: said,\n\nChannel 1: being ready\n\nChannel 0: like,\n\nChannel 1: to\n\nChannel 0: it gets warped away all the time. Like, that's intense.\n\nChannel 1: no. No. No. No. No.\n\nNo. No. No. Unless she's released. So they'll she like, it'll get released, sir, but then you don't know if this is part of flood water and blah blah blah blah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. I remember in Geelong along the bar, and I was when that big event came between twenty two, there were people swimming in the floodwaters. I yelled out, he's swimming in shit. Like like, it's just it's crazy that people don't think of what actually comes up after afterwards.\n\nIt's yeah. I don't know. And I I also found it really strange that the EPA wasn't in the emergency center. I\n\nChannel 1: Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I feel like it it was it would have been a good opportunity to be like, hey. EPA, you should probably send out a warning as well that the floodwaters have effluent in it. You know? Like, I mean, people shouldn't be swimming in it, but if they aren't going to, there's another reason why they shouldn't be swimming without, like, getting very, very sick. So, yeah, insisting.\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: Hey. I saw that you guys have a tender out.\n\nChannel 1: What's that one for?\n\nChannel 0: It's like\n\nChannel 1: The 5,000. Yes. Yes.\n\nChannel 0: it's like a bunch of what is it? A bunch of sub plans that need to be updated.\n\nChannel 1: Yes. So it's updating all the municipal flood plans and so the project water texted for Golden Broken. And\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: so, basically, they got money across the state\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: to update flood intelligence for these plans. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Do\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: you think it's something that I could do? Or is it probably too big?\n\nChannel 1: Might be a bit too big. Alright. So\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: so well, I don't know. Yeah. It's it's a big project. I mean, I can't say anything to someone with the Tinder assessment panel. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay. No. I just I I just yeah. I just kinda\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: wanna get what you your if you thought it was for it it it sounded\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: like it might be for, like, a bigger company or\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: at least, you know, me teaming with a big company, but I I I just wanted to see if it was something you thought that was\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I\n\nChannel 0: was\n\nChannel 1: mean, the\n\nChannel 0: achievable.\n\nChannel 1: experiences the experience of your water techs and your hacks who are like the key flight analysts in those incident control centers, they they I mean, obviously, they're the Montes to get it just because,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, they've it's building on that, you know, those people that get deployed and building on their knowledge to upgrade the flight intelligence stuff product. So,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: it'd\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: be\n\nChannel 0: figured that.\n\nChannel 1: it'd be hard push. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I\n\nChannel 1: Okay.\n\nChannel 0: figured that.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I I I yeah. Especially with you know, I've I've only been in in a couple of emergency centers, and I still haven't been able to get my name on the list to support the next time. I'm not really sure how to do that now that\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: what's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: his name's left?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But\n\nChannel 0: Sorry.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Mel Melanie is the one running it, I think. Yeah. I\n\nChannel 0: No\n\nChannel 1: gotta\n\nChannel 0: worries.\n\nChannel 1: get on to her actually about it. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Mel\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: can.\n\nChannel 0: Alright. Well, that that's good to know. I think that's probably a no go for me. But, yeah, I just I yeah. I saw it, and it looks like a super interesting project, something that I that I reckon I could do, but it would also be basically me solely doing it, you know, without any other projects.\n\nAnd I wasn't yeah. I just felt like maybe it was a bridge too far. So,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: yeah, that's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: alright.\n\nChannel 1: It's really teamed up with someone else or whatever. But yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I I do I I think I what you mentioned about, you know, the the actual people who come out to the flood, the water techs and the Hark who actually do the what is it? The the flood what are they called? Flood analyst. Yeah. The ones who are big flood analysts.\n\nThey they they would want you'd want them to be the ones probably doing it because they're the ones who are gonna help assess it. So\n\nChannel 1: Oh,\n\nChannel 0: that\n\nChannel 1: just\n\nChannel 0: makes\n\nChannel 1: sort\n\nChannel 0: sense\n\nChannel 1: of experience\n\nChannel 0: to me.\n\nChannel 1: to\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: the filling in and, you know because that's what we're really buying in is we're buying in that experience to update it. So yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. Cool. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That makes sense.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That makes\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: sense. Oh, that's good. I'm glad I called. How how is how is the CMA going?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. We're good. We're good. We're good.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah?\n\nChannel 1: We're good. We're good. Yes. Yes. Yes.\n\nChannel 0: Other\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: other than the other than\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: the the looming stress.\n\nChannel 1: oh, and did you so what was\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: who was it? Abby. Beautiful Abby. He was very excited about you.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. He was lovely. I need to follow-up with him to sorry. This week because he he said the end of financial year was a bit hectic. But I am I'm desperate to get into some councils just because I don't have work with land developers anymore.\n\nThat's enough. They don't listen to me. It's just like, yeah, fix this problem. It's like, I I can't fix it. I'm sorry.\n\nIt's like I've had a few where I had one which was from the North Central Region, and it was like, a it was a straight up objection from you guys. I can't remember where it was, but I remember them saying, okay. So how do we challenge this? Like, look at that. You're in, like, a meter and a half of flood water.\n\nWhat do you what do you want me to do? Like, anyway, it's it's funny. Yeah. I just yeah. Sorry.\n\nJust trying to speak to a couple. And I I finally started speaking to a few. It's just the. You know? It's not like it's a they I they the council typically like the big consultants that they've been using for ages and aren't super flexible in terms of moving over.\n\nSo it was awesome to know that he worked for the CMA. That was a really nice segue into chatting and and building a relationship. So\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. He's\n\nChannel 0: did he work with him much?\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Because he was groomer. So I worked with Paul Fennell, and he's just Paul loved him. We all loved him. And then he went over to Grampians Room. I don't know what it like, he is he is very smart.\n\nHe's a very smart. He's a very fucking\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: smart guy.\n\nChannel 0: I hear\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: you right\n\nChannel 1: he's\n\nChannel 0: now.\n\nChannel 1: done\n\nChannel 0: You hear?\n\nChannel 1: yeah. And his wife because he's come over from Bangladesh. And, like, the engineers are there, the fucking the the ducks and outside, they're the really smart ones. And his wife, the doctor, and she came over and he goes, I can't understand it. He said, doctors are dumb in Bangladesh, and she's getting paid, you know, twice as much as me.\n\nI said, how does that work?\n\nChannel 0: Really\n\nChannel 1: Here\n\nChannel 0: interesting.\n\nChannel 1: in Australia.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: How\n\nChannel 0: fascinating.\n\nChannel 1: does that work? Well, that's\n\nChannel 0: Wow.\n\nChannel 1: dumb, but you know what I mean? Like,\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: they\n\nChannel 0: No. I know.\n\nChannel 1: they\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: lower\n\nChannel 0: I know.\n\nChannel 1: they\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. I\n\nChannel 1: lower\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: on\n\nChannel 0: know.\n\nChannel 1: the the picking the picking\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: order\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: than\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: us.\n\nChannel 0: I know.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I look at I mean, I I love that. I think that's great. Yeah. That's that's brilliant. Well, I mean and and flooding in Bangladesh is pretty intense there.\n\nFrom memory, it's like the whole thing's a flood plain, so you'd you'd want really good engineers over there.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. No.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: So but he was yeah. He moved to Melbourne I think his wife got a job down there as well. And,\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: you know\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. So I think just a lifestyle change moving back to Melbourne or to Melbourne. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Sure. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And and, yeah, and I mean, he he seemed, yeah, he seems super close, which is really and he's he or he's already been incredibly helpful, which has been lovely.\n\nChannel 1: It's it's just a beautiful, beautiful person. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Same as\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: me.\n\nChannel 0: that's good. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: good.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: gotta\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: yeah. I've gotta I've also been pushing I've been part of the co working group in Melbourne Water, and they keep talking about it's it's so annoying. Camilla, you'd be like pulling your hair out. Like, they keep talking about how they're gonna sorry. They've got no one no examples of how to do, like, floodplain management strategies.\n\nAnd, like, all the way through it, I was sitting there. It's like everyone in the state, every other every other\n\nChannel 1: What\n\nChannel 0: floodplain manager in the state has done this. Why don't you just call a different CMA and ask\n\nChannel 1: about that? I\n\nChannel 0: how\n\nChannel 1: just got another example for how to do a profile management strategy. What\n\nChannel 0: what\n\nChannel 1: am I talking\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: about?\n\nChannel 0: it's it's it's just like some of the some of the things that they are proposing, it the the things that when we were doing the flood plain management strategy for North Central that we had we flagged with the whole community and and we got feedback from and we knew didn't weren't gonna be working. And it it would have just been so easy if they had just called up oh, sorry. Just share the knowledge. I just feel like Melbourne Water just has become this gatekeeper and and doesn't want to interact with anyone else. And and I was just I was just pulling my hair out just being like, if you just if you just called any other CMA and and had a chat about what how you guys implemented your most recent one and what worked and what didn't.\n\nIt they instead of them going down these ridiculous paths, like, they're it's just things that wouldn't work. I just don't it just really got me to me because I was just like, they're spending so much money on something that I know isn't gonna get built or isn't gonna isn't gonna work from a flood plain perspective. But if I had to just engage more people yeah. So I I just yeah. I found it.\n\nI've I've so I've I've kinda been whilst I've been in there,\n\nChannel 1: It's\n\nChannel 0: I've\n\nChannel 1: always\n\nChannel 0: been like, why\n\nChannel 1: been\n\nChannel 0: don't\n\nChannel 1: a\n\nChannel 0: you\n\nChannel 1: while,\n\nChannel 0: reach\n\nChannel 1: though.\n\nChannel 0: out? Why don't you go to a Floodies forum? Like, why don't you go to one?\n\nChannel 1: It's always been a while, though, is that even when I would say not more I think they're the best and always has been. And there's no need to speak to anyone\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: else because everyone else is a they're muffins. And we know better. And then you have but now it's the people who don't need to actually know. They don't know what they don't know. So\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: they don't yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Was that okay? Yes. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: It it it it it it gets me a bit. It gets me a bit. And and I like there's been so many instances where I've been I don't know. I think of my time at North Central being like, you look at things and be like, is there actually any risk there? And even if it was even if there was flooding, what is the actual risk compared to the actual hazard?\n\nYou know, risk and hazard, and and and I feel like that has just become completely muddled somewhere in there where it's just like, no. It's a value. It's not it's a number. It's not about the actual risk or the hazard. It's only about the number.\n\nYou're like, that that's not how I mean, as engineers, that's not how we assess it. Like, it's it's about if if if you're putting a 100 people in a very in in a high risk areas, and that's not okay. But if you're putting a 100 people in an area that the risk is quite low, but there is a higher, like, point 3.5 meter flood depth for a short period, maybe that risk is better than the risk of you know what I mean? Like, it just, like, it just I don't know. There's no it's black and white.\n\nThere's no, like, discussion about it, which which reads to me more of, like, them not having the experience to know the difference, I guess, maybe.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I'm\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: just\n\nChannel 1: I'll tell you what. I was speaking to Adam Dunn yesterday. So Chris Beech, well, he's turned on us a bit. Yeah. He's like, oh, I don't know your thoughts.\n\nSo this whole thing is okay. So climate change is a pain in the ass. We know. But it's a new data. So we've got our account plan for it.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: And so if we're doing appropriate planning, you've got to account for it.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Now do you need to to mitigate like, if you're building a new house, this whole this whole bullshit, oh, but a house is only gonna last for me so many years. Fuck off. You never know how long that house is gonna last. It could last a fucking hundred years. So you've gotta,\n\nChannel 0: I mean, some houses do.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, something else good. So you've gotta set the four levels appropriately and and because it's not a linear thing with climate change. We can have step changes as well along the way. Anyway but the whole offsetting impacts I mean, the key thing is you've gotta have the space to facilitate. If the works aren't done now, you gotta have the space.\n\nAnd then that's the beauty of the Old Anne And Long Valley Authority is they created space in all their subdivisions. They did a magnificent, like, all the space, and then that was then enough space now to then have the wetlands and all this other stuff.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Right.\n\nChannel 1: No magic. They just set the appropriate amount of space.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And then that which has given the flexibility for all this adaptive planning and, you know,\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: having wetlands, having all this stuff. Whereas now we're going, oh, fuck it. We'll get it into the fucking barest minimum. Where's\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: fucking space?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Where's the\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: space to enable this stuff? And then so Chris agrees. So we've got a bit more space to this one in Bendigo, but still, I don't reckon it's enough. And now he's having an argy bargy with Adam. Adam goes, there isn't the space.\n\nAnd\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: so yeah. And, yeah, Chris has sort of turned oh, we shouldn't he said yeah. He said we shouldn't be he said we shouldn't be planning for the increase in a flux in '20, you know, 2100. You know, they shouldn't be planning for that now. It's like no, mate.\n\nFuck off. Why have you turned? You got a good plan for planning.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. It I I've been\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I found it difficult because I feel like he I I feel like he's a really good engineer, and and and, like, I I think in terms of but he is very strong with his opinions and does feel like he's always right, which is, you know, that is you know, some people like that. That's fine. But I've I've found it difficult to be like, I I I'm kinda on the fence. I'm I'm not really a 100% that you planned\n\nChannel 1: I'm on\n\nChannel 0: for\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: the\n\nChannel 1: fence\n\nChannel 0: 20\n\nChannel 1: too.\n\nChannel 0: one. Pardon?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I'm on the fence too. But it's all like but then we go, oh, yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. But there's no I I guess the thing is, if you're gonna do if you if you're going to challenge a different way, you need to have something to back it up. And I think what the the backing up of houses are only 60 years old, I don't think that that's a good enough backup. I I I feel like that that's a that's a just okay. We're just we're we're making an excuse to build it for lower.\n\nLike, I if if there was some sort of, like, I don't know, research about how long houses actually do remain and then also, you know, the risk associated with what that house could be, then then I think we can there's a discussion that we can have. Maybe we don't need to project for the 2100. But without that type of framework, I'm not sure how you can possibly argue lower. You know? I I I I\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: I see where, like, CMA's and accounts are coming from. We're just gonna go for the 2,100, and that's fine. And look, as long as it's the 2,100 for the SSP three, I've to me, I just I don't mind because if we're going to SSP five, we're basically all dead anyway.\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: quick. So I'm going to just pick three. So\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: so\n\nChannel 0: So\n\nChannel 1: then\n\nChannel 0: if\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I don't know. I yeah. I'm I'm I'm always better than happy to do it sorry. To go\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: on the more risk adverse side, which is the, you know, 2,100, the SSP three. You know, you I'm\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: I'm\n\nChannel 1: is\n\nChannel 0: I think\n\nChannel 1: this what\n\nChannel 0: that's\n\nChannel 1: free for would you go? Do you go you don't necessarily go 600 above the 2,100 either.\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: It's more\n\nChannel 0: Well, that's\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: that's right. That's right.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly. So this\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: and and and I think it's the thing is what what we're seeing around Australia as well is, like, we've got communities that have no open green space or they've built right up to, you know, waterways and haven't got any amenity in it, And they just become dead zones, really. They're just not particularly pleasant places to live. And it's like a balance between developers who want as big a yield as humanly possible and an environment which needs to be protected because we're basically destroying it. So it's yeah. I've I've I've I've found that that's really it's a hard thing because I I want I wanna be one of the people that pushes for a better adaption policy.\n\nBut, yeah, I there needs to be there needs to be something a bit better than just we're projecting to this, but there also needs to be and it needs to be a bit more flex I I don't know, adaptive. I'm not sure how to do it. I'm trying to figure that out. But, yeah, it's I have noticed that he has started getting his his tail up a bit about with with government, especially. Yeah.\n\nIt's it's seeming like it's a industry wide kind of frustration now get leading towards I I mean, you know, there's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: there's constant for Melbourne Water, but we I mean, recently now, the simple flood impact assessments where we used to get a hydrograph from Melbourne Water looks like they're refusing to give us that now, which is I I see where\n\nChannel 1: Really?\n\nChannel 0: why they're doing yeah. Well, apparently, they're doing\n\nChannel 1: Risk\n\nChannel 0: it\n\nChannel 1: of\n\nChannel 0: because\n\nChannel 1: this?\n\nChannel 0: pardon?\n\nChannel 1: And I just risk of this?\n\nChannel 0: Yes. Apparently, it's a it's a risk that they might be giving the wrong flow. So they now what I've asked recently has been, we'll give you a flood oh, sorry. A peak level, but we're based on what we've got, and then you do a flood model. Like, well,\n\nChannel 1: Oh, good lord.\n\nChannel 0: that means we need to build like, for a replacement dwelling for a family who wants a replacement dwelling, they're gonna be spending $15.20 15 k for a full flood study, you know, instead of 10 less than 10 to do to just adopt the flow. You know? It's just for me, it just seems just crazy.\n\nChannel 1: It's bonkers, isn't it? I mean, fair enough, all is still in production. But once they've been signed off\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Then\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: why\n\nChannel 1: I mean\n\nChannel 0: can't you use them? It's crazy.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Crazy. Crazy.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. So\n\nChannel 1: Crazy. And I think there's we've got to treat I mean, obviously, we we do already do treat greenfield and infill differently.\n\nChannel 0: yeah.\n\nChannel 1: And I think there's definitely an element of what's the the safety that the hazard thing for infill versus, you know, Greenfield. I think Greenfield is the opportunity to get it right. And especially, I mean, with this 50 meter setback and all that as well. I mean,\n\nChannel 0: Oh, yeah.\n\nChannel 1: yeah, we should be\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: getting\n\nChannel 0: I completely\n\nChannel 1: that right.\n\nChannel 0: agree. Yeah. I completely agree.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. That's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. We should be making sustainable\n\nChannel 1: the the possibility.\n\nChannel 0: systems.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. And and\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: especially with subdivisions,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: there there's no excuse to not be doing the the max for a subdivision. It's it's it's I mean, yes. Like a replacement dwelling, I I probably am a little bit less hesitant sorry, more hesitant about going to 2,100. But if it's a a new subdivision, then, yeah, as big as you can, I think it needs to be?\n\nChannel 1: Yes.\n\nChannel 0: And and and it\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: will\n\nChannel 1: pretty\n\nChannel 0: be better\n\nChannel 1: much how\n\nChannel 0: for\n\nChannel 1: but\n\nChannel 0: them\n\nChannel 1: you can\n\nChannel 0: in\n\nChannel 1: pretty\n\nChannel 0: the long\n\nChannel 1: much\n\nChannel 0: run.\n\nChannel 1: choose this free board anyway.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. You can\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: choose\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: with the free bill. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Last thing you wanna do is build at 300 above the 1%. Oh, fuck. Oh, okay. I didn't get it for the 2,100.\n\nIf you did a decent free board, then you go, oh, fuck. Okay. Fair enough.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. It's me. Cool. Well, thanks,\n\nChannel 0: Fun\n\nChannel 1: mate.\n\nChannel 0: times.\n\nChannel 1: Well, thank you soon.\n\nChannel 0: Thank you. I appreciate\n\nChannel 1: Soon.\n\nChannel 0: it. It's\n\nChannel 1: Oh,\n\nChannel 0: lovely\n\nChannel 1: well,\n\nChannel 0: to speak to\n\nChannel 1: introduce\n\nChannel 0: you.\n\nChannel 1: me, Chris. I still love him, but, you know, that's alright.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I think he's\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: trying\n\nChannel 0: No.\n\nChannel 1: to play me and Adam off against each other because I'm quite supportive. And then Adam\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: is, like, you know, full tilt the other way.\n\nChannel 0: Well,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Adam\n\nChannel 1: He's always\n\nChannel 0: Adam\n\nChannel 1: been a\n\nChannel 0: has\n\nChannel 1: bit of\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: a\n\nChannel 0: bit Adam Adam's a bit more because he he's not an engineer, is he?\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Fuck\n\nChannel 0: Is he?\n\nChannel 1: you. No. I should say. Yeah. He was in the army.\n\nHe was an army trained engineer. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: What? Maybe I've got my well, I I think I'm sorry. Because he doesn't he's he's a slug's tolerance is 0.003, which to me is crazy. I I just I I can't I think that's that that's because even you you guys don't ask that much. Like, unless it's only a really sensitive area.\n\nBut, yeah, I just yeah. So I I thought that maybe he wasn't an engineer because of that.\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: Was\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: that\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: one\n\nChannel 1: should've.\n\nChannel 0: thing?\n\nChannel 1: He's yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Oh.\n\nChannel 1: He was he did the original redevelopment scans in milk and water, you know, design\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: and\n\nChannel 0: what?\n\nChannel 1: parts and shit.\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: He he's\n\nChannel 0: shit.\n\nChannel 1: like\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: a he's a proper. He's a proper engineer. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Shit. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Mhmm. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: God. I yep. That's really good to remember. Thank you. I'm gonna put my foot in my mouth.\n\nGod, I'm glad I put my hood in my mouth to you instead of someone else. That's great. Yeah. Cool. Okay.\n\nOkay. Well, hang on. There you go. Oh, cool. Alright.\n\nThere you go. Well yeah. Because I'm working on a project with him along the Latrobe River, and he wants, like, a 0.003, and it's it's a farmland. I'm like, oh, it's just it's it's too small for farmland. Like, he it's I I appreciate, you know, no change in storage and sorry.\n\nFlood storage, but the Airflash thing for me is a bit like, even I when I go to Joel, he's got he's got that that guideline that's super that just makes more sense about, like, the gradient and everything like that. You're willing he's willing to accept more.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: But, you know, it's their own, I guess.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. It's\n\nChannel 0: Anyway,\n\nChannel 1: too right.\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: No\n\nChannel 0: their\n\nChannel 1: worries.\n\nChannel 0: own. We're all trying to live. Alright.\n\nChannel 1: So say bye. Bye bye\n\nChannel 0: See\n\nChannel 1: bye.\n\nChannel 0: you, mate.\n\nChannel 1: Bye.\n\nChannel 0: Thanks so\n\nChannel 1: Bye.\n\nChannel 0: much. 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I can't remember where it was, but I remember them saying, okay. So how do we challenge this? Like, look at that. You're in, like, a meter and a half of flood water. What do you what do you want me to do? Like, anyway, it's it's funny. Yeah. I just yeah. Sorry. Just trying to speak to a couple. And I I finally started speaking to a few. It's just the. You know? It's not like it's a they I they the council typically like the big consultants that they've been using for ages and aren't super flexible in terms of moving over.","start_word":2212,"end_word":2348,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.09437446296215056},{"text":"So it was awesome to know that he worked for the CMA. That was a really nice segue into chatting and and building a relationship.","start_word":2349,"end_word":2373,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.6133651733398438},{"text":"So Yeah. He's did he work with him much? yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Because he was groomer. So I worked with Paul Fennell, and he's just Paul loved him.","start_word":2374,"end_word":2403,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.17253625392913818},{"text":"We all loved him.","start_word":2404,"end_word":2407,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4859209954738617},{"text":"And then he went over to Grampians Room. I don't know what it like, he is he is very smart. He's a very smart.","start_word":2408,"end_word":2431,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.03137544170022011},{"text":"He's a very fucking Oh, smart guy.","start_word":2432,"end_word":2438,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.43744096159935},{"text":"I hear And you right he's now. done You hear? yeah. And his wife because he's come over from Bangladesh. And, like, the engineers are there, the fucking the the ducks and outside, they're the really smart ones. And his wife, the doctor, and she came over and he goes, I can't understand it. He said, doctors are dumb in Bangladesh, and she's getting paid, you know, twice as much as me. I said, how does that work? Really Here interesting. in Australia. That's How fascinating. does that work? Well, that's Wow. dumb, but you know what I mean? Like, No. they No. I know. they I lower I know. they Yeah. I lower I on know. the the picking the picking Yeah. order Yeah. than Yeah. us. I know. Yeah. I look at I mean, I I love that.","start_word":2439,"end_word":2578,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.06365410893091134},{"text":"I think that's great. Yeah. That's that's brilliant.","start_word":2579,"end_word":2586,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5894952416419983},{"text":"Well, I mean and and flooding in Bangladesh is pretty intense there. From memory, it's like the whole thing's a flood plain, so you'd you'd want really good engineers over there. Yeah. Yeah. No. Yeah. So but he was yeah. He moved to Melbourne I think his wife got a job down there as well. And, Okay. you know Yeah. yeah. So I think just a lifestyle change moving back to Melbourne or to Melbourne. Yeah. Yeah. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. And and, yeah, and I mean, he he seemed, yeah, he seems super close, which is really and he's he or he's already been incredibly helpful, which has been lovely.","start_word":2587,"end_word":2696,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.08658921718597412},{"text":"It's it's just a beautiful, beautiful person.","start_word":2697,"end_word":2703,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.47304847836494446},{"text":"Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Same as Oh, me. that's good. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's Yeah. good. Yeah. I Yeah. gotta Yeah. yeah. I've gotta I've also been pushing I've been part of the co working group in Melbourne Water, and they keep talking about it's it's so annoying. Camilla, you'd be like pulling your hair out. Like, they keep talking about how they're gonna sorry. They've got no one no examples of how to do, like, floodplain management strategies. And, like, all the way through it, I was sitting there. It's like everyone in the state, every other every other What floodplain manager in the state has done this. Why don't you just call a different CMA and ask about that? I how just got another example for how to do a profile management strategy. What what am I talking it's about? it's it's it's just like some of the some of the things that they are proposing, it the the things that when we were doing the flood plain management strategy for North Central that we had we flagged with the whole community and and we got feedback from and we knew didn't weren't gonna be working. And it it would have just been so easy if they had just called up oh, sorry. Just share the knowledge. I just feel like Melbourne Water just has become this gatekeeper and and doesn't want to interact with anyone else. And and I was just I was just pulling my hair out just being like, if you just if you just called any other CMA and and had a chat about what how you guys implemented your most recent one and what worked and what didn't. It they instead of them going down these ridiculous paths, like, they're it's just things that wouldn't work. I just don't it just really got me to me because I was just like, they're spending so much money on something that I know isn't gonna get built or isn't gonna isn't gonna work from a flood plain perspective. But if I had to just engage more people yeah. So I I just yeah. I found it. I've I've so I've I've kinda been whilst I've been in there, It's I've always been like, why been don't a you while, reach though. out? Why don't you go to a Floodies forum? Like, why don't you go to one? It's always been a while, though, is that even when I would say not more I think they're the best and always has been. And there's no need to speak to anyone Yeah. else because everyone else is a they're muffins. And we know better. And then you have but now it's the people who don't need to actually know. They don't know what they don't know. So Yeah. they don't yeah. Yeah. Was that okay? Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It it it it it it gets me a bit. It gets me a bit. And and I like there's been so many instances where I've been I don't know. I think of my time at North Central being like, you look at things and be like, is there actually any risk there? 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Like, it just, like, it just I don't know. There's no it's black and white. There's no, like, discussion about it, which which reads to me more of, like, them not having the experience to know the difference, I guess, maybe. Yeah. And Yeah. I'm Yeah. just I'll tell you what. I was speaking to Adam Dunn yesterday. So Chris Beech, well, he's turned on us a bit. Yeah. He's like, oh, I don't know your thoughts. So this whole thing is okay.","start_word":3283,"end_word":3473,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.17581043489940504},{"text":"So climate change is a pain in the ass.","start_word":3474,"end_word":3482,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.61516273021698},{"text":"We know. But it's a new data. So we've got our account plan for it. Yeah. And so if we're doing appropriate planning, you've got to account for it. Yeah.","start_word":3483,"end_word":3512,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.08041679114103317},{"text":"Now do you need to to mitigate like, if you're building a new house, this whole this whole bullshit, oh, but a house is only gonna last for me so many years. Fuck off. You never know how long that house is gonna last. It could last a fucking hundred years.","start_word":3513,"end_word":3563,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4432507455348969},{"text":"So you've gotta, I mean, some houses do. yeah, something else good. So you've gotta set the four levels appropriately and and because it's not a linear thing with climate change. We can have step changes as well along the way. Anyway but the whole offsetting impacts I mean, the key thing is you've gotta have the space to facilitate. If the works aren't done now, you gotta have the space. And then that's the beauty of the Old Anne And Long Valley Authority is they created space in all their subdivisions. They did a magnificent, like, all the space, and then that was then enough space now to then have the wetlands and all this other stuff. Yeah. Right. No magic. They just set the appropriate amount of space. Yes. And then that which has given the flexibility for all this adaptive planning and, you know, Yes. having wetlands, having all this stuff.","start_word":3564,"end_word":3717,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.07231613248586655},{"text":"Whereas now we're going, oh, fuck it. We'll get it into the fucking barest minimum.","start_word":3718,"end_word":3732,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5217574238777161},{"text":"Where's Yes. the Yeah.","start_word":3733,"end_word":3736,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.21165256202220917},{"text":"fucking space?","start_word":3737,"end_word":3738,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.5676451325416565},{"text":"Yeah. Yeah. Where's the Yeah. space to enable this stuff? And then so Chris agrees. So we've got a bit more space to this one in Bendigo, but still, I don't reckon it's enough. And now he's having an argy bargy with Adam. Adam goes, there isn't the space. And Yeah. so yeah. And, yeah, Chris has sort of turned oh, we shouldn't he said yeah. He said we shouldn't be he said we shouldn't be planning for the increase in a flux in '20, you know, 2100.","start_word":3739,"end_word":3826,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1394042894244194},{"text":"You know, they shouldn't be planning for that now. It's like no, mate. Fuck off.","start_word":3827,"end_word":3841,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.41865965723991394},{"text":"Why have you turned? You got a good plan for planning. Yeah. Yeah. It I I've been Yeah. I found it difficult because I feel like he I I feel like he's a really good engineer, and and and, like, I I think in terms of but he is very strong with his opinions and does feel like he's always right, which is, you know, that is you know, some people like that. That's fine.","start_word":3842,"end_word":3916,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.03367560729384422},{"text":"But I've I've found it difficult to be like, I I I'm kinda on the fence. I'm I'm not really a 100% that you planned I'm on for the the fence 20 too.","start_word":3917,"end_word":3949,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.35629644989967346},{"text":"one. Pardon? Yeah. I'm on the fence too. But it's all like but then we go, oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But there's no I I guess the thing is, if you're gonna do if you if you're going to challenge a different way, you need to have something to back it up. And I think what the the backing up of houses are only 60 years old, I don't think that that's a good enough backup. I I I feel like that that's a that's a just okay. We're just we're we're making an excuse to build it for lower. Like, I if if there was some sort of, like, I don't know, research about how long houses actually do remain and then also, you know, the risk associated with what that house could be, then then I think we can there's a discussion that we can have. Maybe we don't need to project for the 2100.","start_word":3950,"end_word":4106,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.16052357852458954},{"text":"But without that type of framework, I'm not sure how you can possibly argue lower.","start_word":4107,"end_word":4121,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.47767648100852966},{"text":"You know? I I I I Yes. I see where, like, CMA's and accounts are coming from. We're just gonna go for the 2,100, and that's fine. And look, as long as it's the 2,100 for the SSP three, I've to me, I just I don't mind because if we're going to SSP five, we're basically all dead anyway. So Yep. quick. So I'm going to just pick three. So Yeah. so So then if yeah. I don't know. I yeah. I'm I'm I'm always better than happy to do it sorry. To go Yeah. on the more risk adverse side, which is the, you know, 2,100, the SSP three. You know, you I'm And I'm is I think this what that's free for would you go? Do you go you don't necessarily go 600 above the 2,100 either. yeah. It's more Well, that's yeah. that's right. That's right. Yeah. Exactly. So this Yeah. and and and I think it's the thing is what what we're seeing around Australia as well is, like, we've got communities that have no open green space or they've built right up to, you know, waterways and haven't got any amenity in it, And they just become dead zones, really.","start_word":4122,"end_word":4326,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.10210741311311722},{"text":"They're just not particularly pleasant places to live. And it's like a balance between developers who want as big a yield as humanly possible and an environment which needs to be protected because we're basically destroying it.","start_word":4327,"end_word":4363,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4782285690307617},{"text":"So it's yeah.","start_word":4364,"end_word":4366,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.22813457250595093},{"text":"I've I've I've I've found that that's really it's a hard thing because I I want I wanna be one of the people that pushes for a better adaption policy.","start_word":4367,"end_word":4396,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3741094172000885},{"text":"But, yeah, I there needs to be there needs to be something a bit better than just we're projecting to this, but there also needs to be and it needs to be a bit more flex I I don't know, adaptive. I'm not sure how to do it. I'm trying to figure that out. But, yeah, it's I have noticed that he has started getting his his tail up a bit about with with government, especially. Yeah. It's it's seeming like it's a industry wide kind of frustration now get leading towards I I mean, you know, there's Yeah. there's constant for Melbourne Water, but we I mean, recently now, the simple flood impact assessments where we used to get a hydrograph from Melbourne Water looks like they're refusing to give us that now, which is I I see where Really? why they're doing yeah. Well, apparently, they're doing Risk it of because this? pardon? And I just risk of this? Yes. Apparently, it's a it's a risk that they might be giving the wrong flow. So they now what I've asked recently has been, we'll give you a flood oh, sorry. A peak level, but we're based on what we've got, and then you do a flood model. Like, well, Oh, good lord. that means we need to build like, for a replacement dwelling for a family who wants a replacement dwelling, they're gonna be spending $15.20 15 k for a full flood study, you know, instead of 10 less than 10 to do to just adopt the flow. You know?","start_word":4397,"end_word":4658,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.14146842062473297},{"text":"It's just for me, it just seems just crazy. It's bonkers, isn't it?","start_word":4659,"end_word":4671,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4918409585952759},{"text":"I mean, fair enough, all is still in production. But once they've been signed off That's right. yeah. Then Yeah.","start_word":4672,"end_word":4691,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1062423214316368},{"text":"why I mean can't you use them? It's crazy.","start_word":4692,"end_word":4700,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.44031864404678345},{"text":"Yeah.","start_word":4701,"end_word":4701,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.24849283695220947},{"text":"Crazy. Crazy.","start_word":4702,"end_word":4703,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4003295004367829},{"text":"Yeah. So Crazy. And I think there's we've got to treat I mean, obviously, we we do already do treat greenfield and infill differently. yeah. And I think there's definitely an element of what's the the safety that the hazard thing for infill versus, you know, Greenfield. I think Greenfield is the opportunity to get it right. And especially, I mean, with this 50 meter setback and all that as well. I mean, Oh, yeah. yeah, we should be I getting I completely that right. agree. Yeah. I completely agree. Yeah. That's Yeah. We should be making sustainable the the possibility. systems. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And and Yeah. especially with subdivisions, Yeah. there there's no excuse to not be doing the the max for a subdivision. It's it's it's I mean, yes. Like a replacement dwelling, I I probably am a little bit less hesitant sorry, more hesitant about going to 2,100. But if it's a a new subdivision, then, yeah, as big as you can, I think it needs to be? Yes. And and and it That's will pretty be better much how for but them you can in pretty the long much run. choose this free board anyway. That's right. Yeah. You can Yeah. choose Yes. with the free bill. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Last thing you wanna do is build at 300 above the 1%.","start_word":4704,"end_word":4931,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.04234771391278819},{"text":"Oh, fuck.","start_word":4932,"end_word":4933,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.40078234672546387},{"text":"Oh, okay. I didn't get it for the 2,100. If you did a decent free board, then you go, oh, fuck. Okay. Fair enough. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's me. Cool.","start_word":4934,"end_word":4968,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1665673851966858},{"text":"Well, thanks, Fun mate.","start_word":4969,"end_word":4972,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.3664162456989288},{"text":"times. Well, thank you soon.","start_word":4973,"end_word":4977,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.29312020540237427},{"text":"Thank you. I appreciate Soon.","start_word":4978,"end_word":4982,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.38294535875320435},{"text":"it. It's Oh, lovely well, to speak to introduce you. me, Chris. I still love him, but, you know, that's alright. Yeah. I think he's Yeah. trying No. to play me and Adam off against each other because I'm quite supportive. And then Adam Yeah. Okay. is, like, you know, full tilt the other way. Well, Yeah. Adam He's always Adam been a has bit of a a bit Adam Adam's a bit more because he he's not an engineer, is he? yeah.","start_word":4983,"end_word":5065,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.07246099107236748},{"text":"Fuck Is he?","start_word":5066,"end_word":5068,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.370556503534317},{"text":"you. No. I should say. Yeah. He was in the army. He was an army trained engineer. Yeah. What? Maybe I've got my well, I I think I'm sorry. Because he doesn't he's he's a slug's tolerance is 0.003, which to me is crazy. I I just I I can't I think that's that that's because even you you guys don't ask that much. Like, unless it's only a really sensitive area. But, yeah, I just yeah. So I I thought that maybe he wasn't an engineer because of that. No. Was No. that I one should've. thing? He's yeah. Oh. He was he did the original redevelopment scans in milk and water, you know, design Oh, and what? parts and shit. Oh, He he's shit. like Okay. a he's a proper. He's a proper engineer. Yeah. Yeah. Shit. Okay. Mhmm. Yeah. God. I yep.","start_word":5069,"end_word":5213,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.16725170612335205},{"text":"That's really good to remember. Thank you.","start_word":5214,"end_word":5220,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4021877944469452},{"text":"I'm gonna put my foot in my mouth. God, I'm glad I put my hood in my mouth to you instead of someone else.","start_word":5221,"end_word":5244,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.22063590586185455},{"text":"That's great.","start_word":5245,"end_word":5246,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.500287652015686},{"text":"Yeah. Cool. Okay. Okay. Well, hang on. There you go. Oh, cool. Alright. There you go. Well yeah. Because I'm working on a project with him along the Latrobe River, and he wants, like, a 0.003, and it's it's a farmland. I'm like, oh, it's just it's it's too small for farmland. Like, he it's I I appreciate, you know, no change in storage and sorry. Flood storage, but the Airflash thing for me is a bit like, even I when I go to Joel, he's got he's got that that guideline that's super that just makes more sense about, like, the gradient and everything like that. You're willing he's willing to accept more. Yeah. But, you know, it's their own, I guess. Yeah. It's Anyway, too right. it's No their worries. own. We're all trying to live. Alright. So say bye. Bye bye See bye. you, mate. Bye.","start_word":5247,"end_word":5395,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.05592466280764381},{"text":"Thanks so Bye. much.","start_word":5396,"end_word":5399,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5715849995613098},{"text":"Bye.","start_word":5400,"end_word":5400,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.23708590865135193}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.12022187738157077}}}}