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The the guy who called me said that the previous flood modeler has decide declined to quote, which makes me feel like either there's a disaster waiting for me if I quote or or or they just genuinely don't have the work. I I'm a little nervous, and so I just wanted to get what gauge what how yeah. If this is not a good if if I should maybe not quote for this project. Right. Oh, okay. Okay. That makes me feel better. That makes me feel better. Because, you know, I I was thinking if it was, like, a, I don't know, a flux or Cumulus or something, I would have been like, oh, no. They don't wanna do it, then there's something wrong with them. But if it's a random, then maybe that makes you feel a little bit better that I can do better than that. Yeah. No. Yeah. Please. Look. This is amazing. I've I've it's it's helped me feel a little bit better already, honestly, because, yeah, I just when when someone when when someone tells you that a a consultant has declined a quote, it may it just makes you feel like, oh god. Is that like, am I walking into a mind bin, basically? Yes. Yes. Yep. We we haven't had it into me. I've moved up. That doesn't even come up on it that doesn't affect, I think, on Google. Okay. Yep. That's not correct. Okay. Yeah. Okay. That's good. Yeah. Because that's that's it's no. Yeah. Well, because that's right. Exactly. And and I've I've honestly, I've had I've been fortunate where I've had one that I saw Michael Mag's name on it, and and I called Michael Mag, and he was like, don't don't go anywhere near it. I'm like, okay. I'm glad I told you. And, yeah, it's just so much yeah. I don't know. It's one of those things where I mean, you know, I'm a small business. I don't I like, I want I don't wanna have to I don't I don't wanna have to manage people per se. I I I'm happy to manage my project, but I don't wanna have to deal with difficult things sorry. Difficult people, I guess. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, gotcha. And and and it does it sounds like what they're proposing is is I I I mean, I've I've they they haven't actually they just gave me the big cat form, but it seems like they they essentially wanna level or fill a whole a massive area. Is that is that your is that what their expectation is? Do you know if that's what they're hoping to do? Or Yes. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yes. Yep. Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Okay. Fabulous. And is the I saw that on the document, the expectation is to build a whole new broad model. Is that true, or is it possible to, like, request flows from Melbourne Water? I'm just I don't see how I could reduce the cost because I guess, the project is gonna be it's a pretty it's a big project. And I was speaking to to Travis, and he was like, oh, you know, whether it costs 2 or 10,000. I was like, well, it's actually gonna be a lot more than 10,000. I don't think you realize how much it probably will be because it is a it's a it's not a small project. I'm just wondering where if there is anything Melbourne Water would provide or where if it Melbourne Water would just be like, no. Look. You you need to fix this, and you need to demonstrate all this. Okay. So Yep. Okay. Great. Okay. So that's fine. So I can put that in as, like, a variation if if we decide that we need to do a role model, a hydro hydrological model, then I can put that in, but that's decided late later. Fabulous. Fabulous. That's really helpful. Thank you so much, Connor. That's a it's a yeah. No. I look up. I mean, this is the way I prefer to work anyways. It it's much easier. I always find I don't know. I know other consultants might like to challenge a little bit more. That's not really my vibe. I'd prefer to work quickly. That's that's really halfway even more than enough folks. Yeah. Neither of us. Neither of us. Just I feel like just adding more stress. I don't I don't need more stress in my life. Exactly. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. And, yeah, I mean, it was, like, limiting limiting the back and forth as well because it it I mean, for me, it makes a huge difference. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I I do find it interesting because I I I find I have it where I I probably am more expensive than some, but I found that most of the people who I who think have gone with the cheaper one have actually come back to me after the other one started asking for variation on variation. And I'm like, well, you know, I I scoped it out properly. That's why mine might have been more expensive originally, but you wouldn't have had to pay. You know? It's yeah. I just found it yeah. I've it it's it's a lot it's the probably the yuckiest thing about consulting, I think, is that is that that, I don't know, asset is their mentality. It's the same, like, even within consultants. So I I think thankfully, smaller consultants are quite good with with talking to one another, but the bigger one, like, I I left WaterTech, and they didn't talk to me for, like, ten years. So, you know, it's like so like that. You know, like, it's I don't know why you're so upset with me, but, anyway, hopefully, we can move to a better, more productive That's right. Yeah. Yeah. It's I find it so fascinating. And and then yeah. I've I've it's fascinating and sad. I find it yeah. I think that that's probably my prevailing feeling. It's just like, oh, it's really disappointing, but that's what it that's what it's like. And, yeah, I'm I'm I'm hopeful that we can like, that the industry can probably start stepping away. And I do think the Melbourne Water reference groups are really good for that. 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It's calling from Melbourne Water. How are you? Yeah. I'm pretty good. Thank you. I'm just returning no. That's okay. No worries. Yeah. No worries. Thanks for reaching out. So, yeah, this has been a bit of an interesting one where the landowner first submitted their application at VCAT almost a year ago. And there's been sort of multiple instances where they haven't complied with VCAT's orders and and or or turned up to various, like, practice day hearings. So, yeah, it's been a bit bizarre. I don't think I've ever dealt with a matter like this one. I'm just gonna open up the assessment that they did originally because because we'd never heard of the I can't remember the name of the consultant, which is why I'm opening up the the report. Yeah. So yeah. That's right. Yeah. So yeah. Yeah. No. No. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more. If it was someone known to us, then, yeah, I'd I'd be asking questions. But like I said, it was it was a consultant we hadn't come across before. Sorry. Just bear with me. I'm trying to find that. There's there's a lot of documents on this one. So I'm just trying to find the report that was prepared. Just give me a sec. If if if if if that helps. Yeah. And and I'm kind of pleased to hear that they've declined to quote because there there was a compulsory conference a couple of weeks ago, and Travis Arthur has been appointed by the landowner as the as the representative to coordinate the VCAT proceeding. And we were pleased to see that at the hearing, he was saying all the right things about, you know, wanting to meet all of our modern council's requirements for the site, which was great. And then about a week or so ago, he reached out to us directly to ask us a series of questions relating to the flood modeling and what our requirements are, which we responded to, which, again, was really good to see. So I suspect what's happened is Travis has provided the consultant, and I've just found the report. It's s d e l a engineering. I don't know if that's SDELA Engineering or SDELA Engineering. I don't know how that's print oh, here we go. It's SDELA Engineering Consultants. Yeah. Again, like I said, yeah. Okay. It doesn't doesn't surprise me, to be honest. So when you told me that they've declined to provide a quote, I suspect what's happened is Travis has sent them that Melbourne Water's responses to his queries about the about our our expectations in relation to the flood modeling, and they've come back and said, oh, look. We we're gonna decline this one, I suspect, because it's outside of their capabilities. So that that that that would be so I don't think there's anything sinister behind it. I agree. If it was if it was someone known and they declined to quote, then there'd be question marks. But to be honest, it doesn't surprise me that they've declined to quote for this one. And yeah. And like I said, I'm kind of I'm kind of pleased that they've they've done that. Otherwise, it's it's it's a bit like flogging a a dead horse. Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. And and I'm really glad that you called us because it it it it doesn't happen very often, not not in my experience anyway. But at least, you know, if this if the conversation occurs, then you're going into it eyes wide open rather than, you know, potentially accepting a project where, you know, you don't potentially understand, you know, the ins and outs and what's happened previously. So, yeah, it I'm I'm I'm glad that you've reached out, Alex. Yeah. So my understanding is that they're wanting to use the land to plant an orchard, so fruit trees, and they can't so so currently, the site floods, so they're saying that it's unusable for that type of use, which is what's prompted the application to to fill the site. So, yeah, by the looks of it, they're wanting to fill this most of the site and construct a dam slash RB to manage the the flood storage requirements. Yep. Nazrin did the assessment of the report for this one, and she and her main comments, which we've basically tried to capture as as as much as possible in the at the compulsory conference in the order that lists all of the basically, all of the details that the flood impact assessment needs to address. But her main points of feedback without coming into the detail were that the the ensure assessment wasn't two d flood modeling, and it yeah. It was only one d, and and it didn't it didn't account. So so it underestimated the flow coming into the property. It didn't account for the for all of the flows coming into the property. That were the sort of two key fundamental issues with the with the assessment. Yep. Let me just open up the email that we sent to Travis last week. So we've said we can provide hydrological model information and flow data to support the development of the of the hydraulic model. However, we don't currently have a calibrated regional hydraulic model available for this catchment. The provision of any available hydrological information can be discussed once a consultant has been engaged. Yep. Yep. Yeah. Yep. No. All good. All good, Alex. And Yeah. Yeah. I've never understood that approach of of challenging rather than just trying to work together. Yeah. Like, it it it you it most of the time, it it yeah. That's it. And most of the time, it doesn't even work. Yeah. Yep. Anyway, that's right. Exactly. Yeah. Absolutely. And therefore, also managing the the costs for the client as well. Yep. It's it's it's almost as if you were the the first person ever to leave a business. Who would have thought? Yeah. Yep. Yeah. I I just don't just under I don't understand it. Like, that that can only ever end in tears for everyone. I can that's right. Yeah. Yep. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Yep. 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Otherwise, it's it's it's a bit like flogging a a dead horse. Absolutely. Absolutely.\n\nYeah. And and I'm really glad that you called us because it it it it doesn't happen very often, not not in my experience anyway. But at least, you know, if this if the conversation occurs, then you're going into it eyes wide open rather than, you know, potentially accepting a project where, you know, you don't potentially understand, you know, the ins and outs and what's happened previously. So, yeah, it I'm I'm I'm glad that you've reached out, Alex. Yeah.\n\nSo my understanding is that they're wanting to use the land to plant an orchard, so fruit trees, and they can't so so currently, the site floods, so they're saying that it's unusable for that type of use, which is what's prompted the application to to fill the site. So, yeah, by the looks of it, they're wanting to fill this most of the site and construct a dam slash RB to manage the the flood storage requirements. Yep. Nazrin did the assessment of the report for this one, and she and her main comments, which we've basically tried to capture as as as much as possible in the at the compulsory conference in the order that lists all of the basically, all of the details that the flood impact assessment needs to address. But her main points of feedback without coming into the detail were that the the ensure assessment wasn't two d flood modeling, and it yeah.\n\nIt was only one d, and and it didn't it didn't account. So so it underestimated the flow coming into the property. It didn't account for the for all of the flows coming into the property. That were the sort of two key fundamental issues with the with the assessment. Yep.\n\nLet me just open up the email that we sent to Travis last week. So we've said we can provide hydrological model information and flow data to support the development of the of the hydraulic model. However, we don't currently have a calibrated regional hydraulic model available for this catchment. The provision of any available hydrological information can be discussed once a consultant has been engaged. Yep.\n\nYep. Yeah. Yep. No. All good.\n\nAll good, Alex. And Yeah. Yeah. I've never understood that approach of of challenging rather than just trying to work together. Yeah.\n\nLike, it it it you it most of the time, it it yeah. That's it. And most of the time, it doesn't even work. Yeah. Yep.\n\nAnyway, that's right. Exactly. Yeah. Absolutely. And therefore, also managing the the costs for the client as well.\n\nYep. It's it's it's almost as if you were the the first person ever to leave a business. Who would have thought? Yeah. Yep.\n\nYeah. I I just don't just under I don't understand it. Like, that that can only ever end in tears for everyone. I can that's right. Yeah.\n\nYep. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep.\n\nYep. With this one, if you are engaged, feel free to contact me at that point, and then we can look to set up a meeting with yourself and Nazarene to go through the methodology and just make sure that everyone's on the same page before you start. Yep. Yep. Alright.\n\nNo worries, Alex. Thanks again. No worries. No worries. Thanks again for reaching out.\n\nTake care. You too. 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Speak. It's Owen. Can you help me?\n\nChannel 1: Hi, Alex. It's calling from Melbourne Water. How are you?\n\nChannel 0: Oh, good. Thanks, hon. How are you?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I'm pretty good. Thank you.\n\nChannel 0: That's good.\n\nChannel 1: I'm\n\nChannel 0: Thanks\n\nChannel 1: just\n\nChannel 0: so\n\nChannel 1: returning\n\nChannel 0: much for giving me a call.\n\nChannel 1: no. That's okay. No worries.\n\nChannel 0: It seems it does you from my part, and I'm a little bit hesitant. The the guy who called me said that the previous flood modeler has decide declined to quote, which makes me feel like either there's a disaster waiting for me if I quote or or or they just genuinely don't have the work. I I'm a little nervous, and so I just wanted to get what gauge what how yeah. If this is not a good if if I should maybe not quote for this project.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. No worries. Thanks for reaching out. So, yeah, this has been a bit of an interesting one where the landowner first submitted their application at VCAT almost a year ago. And\n\nChannel 0: Right.\n\nChannel 1: there's been sort of multiple instances where they haven't complied with VCAT's orders and and or or turned up to various, like, practice day hearings.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, okay.\n\nChannel 1: So, yeah, it's been a bit bizarre. I don't think I've ever dealt with a matter like this one. I'm just gonna open up the assessment that they did originally because because we'd never heard of the I can't remember the name of the consultant, which is why I'm opening\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: up\n\nChannel 0: That makes\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: me feel better.\n\nChannel 1: the report.\n\nChannel 0: That makes me\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: feel better.\n\nChannel 1: So yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Because,\n\nChannel 1: That's\n\nChannel 0: you\n\nChannel 1: right.\n\nChannel 0: know,\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: So\n\nChannel 0: I was thinking if it was, like, a, I don't know, a flux or Cumulus or something, I would have been like, oh, no. They don't wanna do it, then there's something wrong with them. But if it's a\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: random, then maybe that makes you feel a little bit better that I can do better than that.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. No. No. Absolutely. Couldn't agree more.\n\nIf it was someone known to us, then, yeah, I'd I'd be asking questions. But like\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I said, it was it was a consultant we hadn't come across before. Sorry. Just bear with me. I'm trying to find that. There's there's a lot of documents on this one.\n\nSo I'm just trying to find the report that was prepared. Just give me a sec.\n\nChannel 0: No. Yeah. Please. Look. This is amazing.\n\nChannel 1: If\n\nChannel 0: I've\n\nChannel 1: if if\n\nChannel 0: I've\n\nChannel 1: if\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: if\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: that\n\nChannel 0: helped\n\nChannel 1: helps.\n\nChannel 0: me feel a little bit better already, honestly, because, yeah, I just when when someone when when someone tells you that a a consultant has declined a quote, it may it just makes you feel like, oh god. Is that like, am I walking into a mind bin, basically?\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. And and I'm kind of pleased to hear that they've declined to quote because there there was a compulsory conference a couple of weeks ago, and\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: Travis Arthur has been appointed by the landowner as the as the representative to coordinate the VCAT proceeding.\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: And we were pleased to see that at the hearing, he was saying all the right things about, you know, wanting to meet all of our modern council's requirements for the site, which was great. And then about a week or so ago, he reached out to us directly to ask us a series of questions relating to the flood modeling and what our requirements are, which we responded to, which, again, was really good to see.\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: So I suspect what's happened is Travis has provided the consultant, and I've just found the report. It's s d e l a engineering. I don't know if that's\n\nChannel 0: We we haven't had it into\n\nChannel 1: SDELA\n\nChannel 0: me. I've moved\n\nChannel 1: Engineering or SDELA Engineering. I don't know how that's print oh, here we go. It's SDELA Engineering Consultants. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: up.\n\nChannel 1: Again, like\n\nChannel 0: That\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: doesn't\n\nChannel 1: said,\n\nChannel 0: even come up on it that doesn't affect, I think, on Google. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. Okay. It doesn't doesn't surprise me, to be honest. So when you told me that they've declined to provide a quote, I suspect what's happened is Travis has sent them that Melbourne Water's responses to his queries\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: about the about our our expectations in relation to the flood modeling, and they've come back and said, oh, look. We we're gonna decline this one, I suspect, because it's outside of their capabilities.\n\nChannel 0: That's not correct.\n\nChannel 1: So that that that that would be so I don't think there's anything sinister behind it. I agree.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: If it was if it was someone known and they declined to quote, then there'd be question marks. But to be\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: honest, it doesn't surprise me that they've declined to quote for\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: this one. And\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: yeah.\n\nChannel 0: good.\n\nChannel 1: And like\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: I said,\n\nChannel 0: Because\n\nChannel 1: I'm kind of I'm kind of pleased that they've\n\nChannel 0: that's\n\nChannel 1: they've done that.\n\nChannel 0: that's it's no.\n\nChannel 1: Otherwise,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Well,\n\nChannel 1: it's it's it's a bit like flogging\n\nChannel 0: because\n\nChannel 1: a a dead horse.\n\nChannel 0: that's right. Exactly. And and I've I've honestly, I've had I've been fortunate where I've had one that I saw Michael Mag's name on it, and and I called Michael Mag, and he was like, don't don't go anywhere near it. I'm like, okay. I'm glad I told you.\n\nAnd, yeah, it's just so much yeah. I don't know. It's one of those things where I mean, you know, I'm a small business. I don't I like, I want I don't wanna have to I don't I don't\n\nChannel 1: Absolutely.\n\nChannel 0: wanna have to manage people per se. I I I'm happy to manage my project, but I don't wanna have to deal with difficult things sorry. Difficult people, I guess.\n\nChannel 1: Absolutely. Yeah. And and I'm really glad that you called us because it it it it doesn't happen very often, not not in my experience anyway. But at least, you know, if this if the conversation occurs, then you're going into it eyes wide open rather than, you know,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: potentially accepting a project where, you know, you don't potentially understand, you know, the ins and outs and what's happened previously. So, yeah,\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: it I'm I'm I'm glad that you've reached out, Alex.\n\nChannel 0: Oh, gotcha. And and and it does it sounds like what they're proposing is is I I I mean, I've I've they they haven't actually they just gave me the big cat form, but it seems like they they essentially wanna level or fill a whole a massive area. Is that is that your is that what their expectation is? Do you know if that's what they're hoping to do? Or\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. So my understanding is that they're wanting to use the land to plant an orchard, so fruit trees,\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: and they can't so so currently, the site floods, so\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: they're saying that it's unusable for that type of use,\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: which is what's prompted the application to to fill the site. So, yeah, by the looks of it, they're wanting to fill this most of the site and\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: construct a dam slash RB to manage the the flood storage\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: requirements.\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Nazrin did the assessment of the report for this one, and she and her main comments, which we've basically tried to capture as as as much as possible in the at the compulsory conference\n\nChannel 0: Yes.\n\nChannel 1: in the order that lists all of the basically, all of the details that the flood impact assessment needs to address. But\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: her main points of feedback without coming into the detail were that the the ensure assessment wasn't two d flood\n\nChannel 0: Oh,\n\nChannel 1: modeling, and it\n\nChannel 0: okay.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. It was only one d, and and it didn't it didn't account. So so it underestimated the flow coming into the property. It didn't account for the for all of the flows coming into the property. That were the\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: sort of two\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: key fundamental issues with the with the assessment. Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Okay. Fabulous. And is the I saw that on the document, the expectation is to build a whole new broad model. Is that true, or is it possible to, like, request flows from Melbourne Water? I'm just I don't see how I could reduce the cost because I guess, the project is gonna be it's a pretty it's a big project.\n\nAnd I was speaking to to Travis, and he was like, oh, you know, whether it costs 2 or 10,000. I was like, well, it's actually gonna be a lot more than 10,000. I don't think you realize how much it probably will be because it is a it's a it's not a small project. I'm just wondering where if there is anything Melbourne Water would provide or where if it Melbourne Water would just be like, no. Look.\n\nYou you need to fix this, and you need to demonstrate all this.\n\nChannel 1: Let me just open up the email that we sent to Travis last week. So we've said we can provide hydrological model information and flow data to support the development of the of the hydraulic\n\nChannel 0: Okay.\n\nChannel 1: model.\n\nChannel 0: So\n\nChannel 1: However, we don't currently have a calibrated regional hydraulic model available for this catchment. The provision\n\nChannel 0: Yep.\n\nChannel 1: of any available hydrological information can be discussed once a consultant has been engaged.\n\nChannel 0: Okay. Great. Okay.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: So that's fine. So I can put that in as, like, a variation if if we decide that we need to do a role model, a hydro hydrological model, then I can put that in,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: but that's decided late later. Fabulous. Fabulous.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: really helpful. Thank you so\n\nChannel 1: No.\n\nChannel 0: much, Connor.\n\nChannel 1: All good.\n\nChannel 0: That's\n\nChannel 1: All good,\n\nChannel 0: a\n\nChannel 1: Alex.\n\nChannel 0: it's\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: a yeah. No. I look up. I mean, this is the way I prefer to work anyways. It it's much easier.\n\nI always find I don't know. I know other consultants might like to challenge a little bit more. That's not really my vibe. I'd prefer to work quickly. That's that's really halfway even more than enough\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: folks.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I've never understood that approach of of challenging rather than just trying to work together.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Neither\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Like,\n\nChannel 0: of us.\n\nChannel 1: it it it\n\nChannel 0: Neither\n\nChannel 1: you\n\nChannel 0: of us.\n\nChannel 1: it\n\nChannel 0: Just\n\nChannel 1: most\n\nChannel 0: I feel\n\nChannel 1: of\n\nChannel 0: like\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: just\n\nChannel 1: time,\n\nChannel 0: adding\n\nChannel 1: it\n\nChannel 0: more\n\nChannel 1: it\n\nChannel 0: stress.\n\nChannel 1: yeah. That's\n\nChannel 0: I don't\n\nChannel 1: it.\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: And\n\nChannel 0: don't need\n\nChannel 1: most of\n\nChannel 0: more\n\nChannel 1: the\n\nChannel 0: stress\n\nChannel 1: time, it\n\nChannel 0: in my\n\nChannel 1: doesn't\n\nChannel 0: life.\n\nChannel 1: even work.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly. Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Exactly.\n\nChannel 1: Anyway,\n\nChannel 0: And, yeah, I mean, it was, like, limiting limiting the back and forth as well because it it I mean,\n\nChannel 1: that's right.\n\nChannel 0: for me,\n\nChannel 1: Exactly.\n\nChannel 0: it makes a huge difference.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. Absolutely. And therefore, also managing the the costs for the client as well.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I I do find it interesting because I I I find I have it where I I probably am more expensive than some, but I found that most of the people who I who think have gone with the cheaper one have actually come back to me after the other one started asking for variation on variation. And I'm like, well, you know, I I scoped it out properly. That's why mine might have been more expensive originally, but you wouldn't have had to pay. You know? It's yeah.\n\nI just found it yeah. I've it it's it's a lot it's the probably the yuckiest thing about consulting, I think, is that is that that, I don't know, asset is their mentality. It's the same, like, even within consultants. So I I think thankfully, smaller consultants are quite good with with talking to one another, but the bigger one, like, I I left WaterTech, and they didn't talk to me for, like, ten years. So, you know, it's like so like that.\n\nYou know, like, it's I don't know why you're so upset with me, but, anyway, hopefully, we can move to a better, more productive\n\nChannel 1: It's it's it's almost as if you were the the first person ever to leave a business.\n\nChannel 0: That's right.\n\nChannel 1: Who\n\nChannel 0: Yeah.\n\nChannel 1: would have thought?\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. It's I find it so fascinating. And and then yeah. I've I've it's fascinating and sad. I find it yeah.\n\nI think that that's probably my prevailing feeling. It's just like, oh, it's really disappointing, but that's what it that's what it's like.\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: And, yeah,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I'm I'm I'm hopeful that we can like, that the industry can probably start stepping away. And I do think the Melbourne Water reference groups are really good for that. So, yeah, it's good to hopefully, we could come to a better working environment. But, yeah, I think even the the guy sorry. This company, whatever, they they I have noticed that a lot of small liberal firms have said that we can do flood modeling recently, and they really can't, which is a bit concerning.\n\nAnd and I think this is from memory or, sorry, what I've been told is that this same thing happened in the last financial crisis where there wasn't as much coming through, so people just said they could do things that maybe they couldn't. So\n\nChannel 1: Yeah. I I just don't just under I don't understand it. Like, that that can only ever end in tears for everyone.\n\nChannel 0: that's right. Yeah. And and\n\nChannel 1: I\n\nChannel 0: I just\n\nChannel 1: can\n\nChannel 0: don't understand how you can't be worried for the business either. Like like, how you cannot feel like that's a risk.\n\nChannel 1: that's right. Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: It is\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: it it worries me. Because, like, this\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: project, I'll I'll have to engage a stormwater engineer as part of my team because I'm I mean, I can do it, but it's not my specialty. And if it's gonna be that, I'm not I'm not being the only one who's who's writing to signing up on it. So I'd I'd get a specialist then, and that's that's\n\nChannel 1: Yeah.\n\nChannel 0: the I don't know. Yeah. Well,\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: I I know others who would probably just do it.\n\nChannel 1: Yep. Yep. With this one, if you are engaged, feel free to contact me at that point, and then we can look to set up a meeting with yourself and Nazarene to go through the methodology and just make sure that everyone's on the same page before you start.\n\nChannel 0: Perfect. Perfect.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Perfect.\n\nChannel 1: Yep.\n\nChannel 0: Yeah. Will do.\n\nChannel 1: Alright.\n\nChannel 0: Definitely. Alright,\n\nChannel 1: No\n\nChannel 0: Tom.\n\nChannel 1: worries,\n\nChannel 0: Thanks very\n\nChannel 1: Alex.\n\nChannel 0: much again.\n\nChannel 1: Thanks\n\nChannel 0: I\n\nChannel 1: again.\n\nChannel 0: hope you have a good rest\n\nChannel 1: No\n\nChannel 0: of your\n\nChannel 1: worries.\n\nChannel 0: day.\n\nChannel 1: No worries. Thanks again for reaching out.\n\nChannel 0: You too. Have a\n\nChannel 1: Take\n\nChannel 0: good one.\n\nChannel 1: care. You too. Bye.\n\nChannel 0: Bye.","paragraphs":[{"sentences":[{"text":"Hello?","start":0.48,"end":0.88,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.011131111532449722},{"text":"Speak.","start":0.88,"end":1.1999999,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.01075119897723198},{"text":"It's Owen.","start":1.1999999,"end":1.5999999,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.017760535702109337},{"text":"Can you help me?","start":1.5999999,"end":2.58,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.023404797539114952}],"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.018877821508795023,"channel":0,"num_words":8,"start":0.48,"end":2.58},{"sentences":[{"text":"Hi, Alex.","start":3.28,"end":3.9199998,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.0483253076672554},{"text":"It's calling from Melbourne Water.","start":3.9199998,"end":6.16,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.07683290243148803},{"text":"How are 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The speakers discuss a proposal to fill a flood risk area and the need for a broader model, while expressing disappointment with a previous experience and suggesting quick and flexible work. They also mention the need for a better working environment and a specialist to ensure everyone is on the same page before starting."},"intents":{"segments":[{"text":"It seems it does you from my part, and I'm a little bit hesitant. The the guy who called me said that the previous flood modeler has decide declined to quote, which makes me feel like either there's a disaster waiting for me if I quote or or or they just genuinely don't have the work. I I'm a little nervous, and so I just wanted to get what gauge what how yeah.","start_word":49,"end_word":121,"intents":[{"intent":"Assess survey impact","confidence_score":0.000012472967}]},{"text":"If it was someone known to us, then, yeah, I'd I'd be asking questions. 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Let me just open up the email that we sent to Travis last week. So we've said we can provide hydrological model information and flow data to support the development of the of the hydraulic Okay. model. So However, we don't currently have a calibrated regional hydraulic model available for this catchment. The provision Yep. of any available hydrological information can be discussed once a consultant has been engaged. Okay. Great. Okay. Yep. So that's fine. So I can put that in as, like, a variation if if we decide that we need to do a role model, a hydro hydrological model, then I can put that in, Yep. but that's decided late later.","start_word":1347,"end_word":1611,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.06144817735788957},{"text":"Fabulous. Fabulous. Yeah. That's Yep. really helpful.","start_word":1612,"end_word":1618,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4575774669647217},{"text":"Thank you so No. much, Connor. All good. That's All good, a Alex. it's And a yeah. 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I I do find it interesting because I I I find I have it where I I probably am more expensive than some, but I found that most of the people who I who think have gone with the cheaper one have actually come back to me after the other one started asking for variation on variation. And I'm like, well, you know, I I scoped it out properly. That's why mine might have been more expensive originally, but you wouldn't have had to pay. You know? It's yeah. I just found it yeah.","start_word":1619,"end_word":1908,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.04479047990452241},{"text":"I've it it's it's a lot it's the probably the yuckiest thing about consulting, I think, is that is that that, I don't know, asset is their mentality.","start_word":1909,"end_word":1936,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4984666407108307},{"text":"It's the same, like, even within consultants. So I I think thankfully, smaller consultants are quite good with with talking to one another, but the bigger one, like, I I left WaterTech, and they didn't talk to me for, like, ten years.","start_word":1937,"end_word":1978,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.24697516858577728},{"text":"So, you know, it's like so like that.","start_word":1979,"end_word":1986,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.3375781178474426},{"text":"You know, like, it's I don't know why you're so upset with me, but, anyway, hopefully, we can move to a better, more productive It's it's it's almost as if you were the the first person ever to leave a business. That's right. Who Yeah. would have thought? Yeah. It's I find it so fascinating. And and then yeah.","start_word":1987,"end_word":2045,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.1901034116744995},{"text":"I've I've it's fascinating and sad. I find it yeah. I think that that's probably my prevailing feeling. 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And and I think this is from memory or, sorry, what I've been told is that this same thing happened in the last financial crisis where there wasn't as much coming through, so people just said they could do things that maybe they couldn't. So Yeah. I I just don't just under I don't understand it.","start_word":2127,"end_word":2224,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.24290776252746585},{"text":"Like, that that can only ever end in tears for everyone.","start_word":2225,"end_word":2235,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4785052239894867},{"text":"that's right. Yeah. And and I I just can don't understand how you can't be worried for the business either.","start_word":2236,"end_word":2255,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.23456160724163055},{"text":"Like like, how you cannot feel like that's a risk.","start_word":2256,"end_word":2265,"sentiment":"negative","sentiment_score":-0.4026166498661041},{"text":"that's right. Yeah. It is Yep. it it worries me. Because, like, this Yeah. project, I'll I'll have to engage a stormwater engineer as part of my team because I'm I mean, I can do it, but it's not my specialty. And if it's gonna be that, I'm not I'm not being the only one who's who's writing to signing up on it. So I'd I'd get a specialist then, and that's that's Yeah. the I don't know. Yeah. Well, Yep. I I know others who would probably just do it. Yep. Yep. With this one, if you are engaged, feel free to contact me at that point, and then we can look to set up a meeting with yourself and Nazarene to go through the methodology and just make sure that everyone's on the same page before you start.","start_word":2266,"end_word":2405,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.02699991501867771},{"text":"Perfect. Perfect.","start_word":2406,"end_word":2407,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4022078514099121},{"text":"Yep.","start_word":2408,"end_word":2408,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.22428765892982483},{"text":"Perfect.","start_word":2409,"end_word":2409,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.33542412519454956},{"text":"Yep. Yeah. Will do. Alright. Definitely. Alright, No Tom. worries, Thanks very Alex.","start_word":2410,"end_word":2422,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.2125234638269131},{"text":"much again. Thanks I again. hope you have a good rest No of your worries.","start_word":2423,"end_word":2437,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.4763779938220978},{"text":"day. No worries.","start_word":2438,"end_word":2440,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.2439422905445099},{"text":"Thanks again for reaching out. You too. Have a Take good one. care.","start_word":2441,"end_word":2453,"sentiment":"positive","sentiment_score":0.5847223401069641},{"text":"You too. Bye. Bye.","start_word":2454,"end_word":2457,"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":0.21754617989063263}],"average":{"sentiment":"neutral","sentiment_score":-0.0465430864570345}}}}